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SharkOnLand wrote:I don't believe in amending the Constitution to deny rights to people, every amendment so far has been to include, not exclude...

Except the 11th which prohibits my right to sue states of which I am not a citizen,
Or the 16th which prohibits how I use my paycheck as it forces me to give some to the government
Or the 18th which prohibited anyone from drinking
Or the 21st which prohibited the proponents of the 18th to gloat anymore.
or the 22nd which prohibits a person from running for president more than twice.
And then there are the amendments that are purely administrative,
like the 25th which codifies the procedure to fill a vacant VP post,
or the 27th which details how and when congess can give themselves raises, which they get around by calling their raises Cost of Living Adjustments.

green1 wrote:

SharkOnLand wrote:I don't believe in amending the Constitution to deny rights to people, every amendment so far has been to include, not exclude...

Except the 11th which prohibits my right to sue states of which I am not a citizen,
Or the 16th which prohibits how I use my paycheck as it forces me to give some to the government
Or the 18th which prohibited anyone from drinking
Or the 21st which prohibited the proponents of the 18th to gloat anymore.
or the 22nd which prohibits a person from running for president more than twice.
And then there are the amendments that are purely administrative,
like the 25th which codifies the procedure to fill a vacant VP post,
or the 27th which details how and when congess can give themselves raises, which they get around by calling their raises Cost of Living Adjustments.

Not true. Candidates can run for president as often as they want as long as they keep losing. They just can't serve more than 2 full terms.

green1,

The 22nd amendment limits how many times a person may SERVE as president. You can still RUN as many times as you want (look at Lyndon LaRouche!).

Oops, too slow. That's what I get for confirming the spelling of "LaRouche"!

LIPH wrote:

green1 wrote:

SharkOnLand wrote:I don't believe in amending the Constitution to deny rights to people, every amendment so far has been to include, not exclude...

Except the 11th which prohibits my right to sue states of which I am not a citizen,
Or the 16th which prohibits how I use my paycheck as it forces me to give some to the government
Or the 18th which prohibited anyone from drinking
Or the 21st which prohibited the proponents of the 18th to gloat anymore.
or the 22nd which prohibits a person from running for president more than twice.
And then there are the amendments that are purely administrative,
like the 25th which codifies the procedure to fill a vacant VP post,
or the 27th which details how and when congess can give themselves raises, which they get around by calling their raises Cost of Living Adjustments.

Not true. Candidates can run for president as often as they want as long as they keep losing. They just can't serve more than 2 full terms.

Right, thanks for the correction. Poor wording in my post.

LIPH wrote:I think gays should be allowed to marry. Why should straight people be the only ones who suffer?

Hehehe That's great....

My opinion, marriage is something between a man and a woman. Call it something else, give them the same rights, just don't call it marriage and I won't b****.

LIPH wrote:

green1 wrote:

SharkOnLand wrote:I don't believe in amending the Constitution to deny rights to people, every amendment so far has been to include, not exclude...

Except the 11th which prohibits my right to sue states of which I am not a citizen,
Or the 16th which prohibits how I use my paycheck as it forces me to give some to the government
Or the 18th which prohibited anyone from drinking
Or the 21st which prohibited the proponents of the 18th to gloat anymore.
or the 22nd which prohibits a person from running for president more than twice.
And then there are the amendments that are purely administrative,
like the 25th which codifies the procedure to fill a vacant VP post,
or the 27th which details how and when congess can give themselves raises, which they get around by calling their raises Cost of Living Adjustments.

Not true. Candidates can run for president as often as they want as long as they keep losing. They just can't serve more than 2 full terms.

Not true, they can serve 1 day short of 2.5 terms. They just can't be elected to more than 2 full terms.

Ok....

I know i'm gonna take s**t for this but....

Who cares if Gay people get married or not. Marriage is just a word, just a piece of paper, just a way to share benefits and family. If it is a religious issue, I always thought that religion had nothing to do with government (ie...prayer in schools). So why does the government think they can tell people who to be with based on religious beliefs? I feel that if 2 people love each other, whether straight or gay, what's the big deal? Who are they hurting? Not everyone has the same values or opinions as anyone else....so my theory with most things is...If you don't like it, don't look at it and accept that there are differences in this world. Don't live in a sheltered bubble..... We have enough problems with Hatred in this country...get over it and move on with something important...something that is actually hurting and killing people.

that's all...

I'll be quiet now...

How can you deny some the right to marriage and how can you say just call it something else. Wouldn't that be like saying only men can drink Pepsi and women coke? Or even like the white restrooms, and the colored restrooms? I do not understand how one human can look at another human and say you cannot get married because our sexual preferences are different. You don't look at someone and say you can not go out to eat with me because you will not order the same thing as I do. If gay marriage is banned whats next, banning marriage of the people in different financial classes? Or people of different races? I say let who ever wants to marry do it. You share the same city, state, country, favorite sports team, movie, vacation spot, and you even share the same air with people everyday that aren't the same as you, and don't all believe, act, or support the same things you do, and it hasn't killed you yet.


(The "you" is not directed at anyone so no one take that as a personal attack)

tjtryon wrote:

LIPH wrote:I think gays should be allowed to marry. Why should straight people be the only ones who suffer?

Hehehe That's great....

My opinion, marriage is something between a man and a woman. Call it something else, give them the same rights, just don't call it marriage and I won't b****.

Why not call it marriage?

thegoatgod wrote:How can you deny some the right to marriage and how can you say just call it something else. Wouldn't that be like saying only men can drink Pepsi and women coke? Or even like the white restrooms, and the colored restrooms? I do not understand how one human can look at another human and say you cannot get married because our sexual preferences are different. You don't look at someone and say you can not go out to eat with me because you will not order the same thing as I do. If gay marriage is banned whats next, banning marriage of the people in different financial classes? Or people of different races? I say let who ever wants to marry do it. You share the same city, state, country, favorite sports team, movie, vacation spot, and you even share the same air with people everyday that aren't the same as you, and don't all believe, act, or support the same things you do, and it hasn't killed you yet.


(The "you" is not directed at anyone so no one take that as a personal attack)

Oh Tyler, you said some great things right thurr.

tikitatas wrote:

thegoatgod wrote:How can you deny some the right to marriage and how can you say just call it something else. Wouldn't that be like saying only men can drink Pepsi and women coke? Or even like the white restrooms, and the colored restrooms? I do not understand how one human can look at another human and say you cannot get married because our sexual preferences are different. You don't look at someone and say you can not go out to eat with me because you will not order the same thing as I do. If gay marriage is banned whats next, banning marriage of the people in different financial classes? Or people of different races? I say let who ever wants to marry do it. You share the same city, state, country, favorite sports team, movie, vacation spot, and you even share the same air with people everyday that aren't the same as you, and don't all believe, act, or support the same things you do, and it hasn't killed you yet.


(The "you" is not directed at anyone so no one take that as a personal attack)

Oh Tyler, you said some great things right thurr.

I can't take credit for all that right thurr.

The part of financial classes, and races I saw on TV but it was too good of a point not to add in.

thegoatgod wrote:You don't look at someone and say you can not go out to eat with me because you will not order the same thing as I do.

Women do that all the time when I ask them out.

LIPH wrote:

thegoatgod wrote:You don't look at someone and say you can not go out to eat with me because you will not order the same thing as I do.

Women do that all the time when I ask them out.

stop asking the vegans to CBiP and Smith & Wollensky's and you'll probably be ok.. ;D

LIPH wrote:

thegoatgod wrote:You don't look at someone and say you can not go out to eat with me because you will not order the same thing as I do.

Women do that all the time when I ask them out.

So, I can order lobster???


(Larry doesn't eat fish, shellfish . . .)

thegoatgod wrote:How can you deny some the right to marriage and how can you say just call it something else. Wouldn't that be like saying only men can drink Pepsi and women coke? Or even like the white restrooms, and the colored restrooms? I do not understand how one human can look at another human and say you cannot get married because our sexual preferences are different. You don't look at someone and say you can not go out to eat with me because you will not order the same thing as I do. If gay marriage is banned whats next, banning marriage of the people in different financial classes? Or people of different races? I say let who ever wants to marry do it. You share the same city, state, country, favorite sports team, movie, vacation spot, and you even share the same air with people everyday that aren't the same as you, and don't all believe, act, or support the same things you do, and it hasn't killed you yet.


(The "you" is not directed at anyone so no one take that as a personal attack)

:::applause for the goatgod:::

There was a time, in the not too distanct past, that interracial marriage was met with *almost* as much resistance.....and in Utah, was prohibited by religion.....I have gay friends who have been together in loving committed relationships much longer (and much healthier) than some of my hetero friends.....

Well said, Paige!

pbans wrote:

thegoatgod wrote:How can you deny some the right to marriage and how can you say just call it something else. Wouldn't that be like saying only men can drink Pepsi and women coke? Or even like the white restrooms, and the colored restrooms? I do not understand how one human can look at another human and say you cannot get married because our sexual preferences are different. You don't look at someone and say you can not go out to eat with me because you will not order the same thing as I do. If gay marriage is banned whats next, banning marriage of the people in different financial classes? Or people of different races? I say let who ever wants to marry do it. You share the same city, state, country, favorite sports team, movie, vacation spot, and you even share the same air with people everyday that aren't the same as you, and don't all believe, act, or support the same things you do, and it hasn't killed you yet.


(The "you" is not directed at anyone so no one take that as a personal attack)

:::applause for the goatgod:::

There was a time, in the not too distanct past, that interracial marriage was met with *almost* as much resistance.....and in Utah, was prohibited by religion.....I have gay friends who have been together in loving committed relationships much longer (and much healthier) than some of my hetero friends.....

exactly, another good argument as to why limiting it to mixed-genders seems silly. (Tho, I would require for the purposes of breeding, 5 years of marriage, if only to weed out the dilettantes and "starter marriages" with a psyche eval prior to....)

green1 wrote:

SharkOnLand wrote:I don't believe in amending the Constitution to deny rights to people, every amendment so far has been to include, not exclude...

Except the 11th which prohibits my right to sue states of which I am not a citizen,
Or the 16th which prohibits how I use my paycheck as it forces me to give some to the government
Or the 18th which prohibited anyone from drinking
Or the 21st which prohibited the proponents of the 18th to gloat anymore.
or the 22nd which prohibits a person from running for president more than twice.
And then there are the amendments that are purely administrative,
like the 25th which codifies the procedure to fill a vacant VP post,
or the 27th which details how and when congess can give themselves raises, which they get around by calling their raises Cost of Living Adjustments.

I think you've 'creatively interpreted' a few of those... The 18th works, but since it was repealed, it doesn't really count... The 11th is borderline, but I guess I'll give you one

RinglingRingling wrote:

pbans wrote:

thegoatgod wrote:How can you deny some the right to marriage and how can you say just call it something else. Wouldn't that be like saying only men can drink Pepsi and women coke? Or even like the white restrooms, and the colored restrooms? I do not understand how one human can look at another human and say you cannot get married because our sexual preferences are different. You don't look at someone and say you can not go out to eat with me because you will not order the same thing as I do. If gay marriage is banned whats next, banning marriage of the people in different financial classes? Or people of different races? I say let who ever wants to marry do it. You share the same city, state, country, favorite sports team, movie, vacation spot, and you even share the same air with people everyday that aren't the same as you, and don't all believe, act, or support the same things you do, and it hasn't killed you yet.


(The "you" is not directed at anyone so no one take that as a personal attack)

:::applause for the goatgod:::

There was a time, in the not too distanct past, that interracial marriage was met with *almost* as much resistance.....and in Utah, was prohibited by religion.....I have gay friends who have been together in loving committed relationships much longer (and much healthier) than some of my hetero friends.....

exactly, another good argument as to why limiting it to mixed-genders seems silly. (Tho, I would require for the purposes of breeding, 5 years of marriage, if only to weed out the dilettantes and "starter marriages" with a psyche eval prior to....)

Now you're on to something.....a license to drive, a license to fish (a license to chill).....a license to procreate....makes sense to me.

pbans wrote:

RinglingRingling wrote:

pbans wrote:

thegoatgod wrote:How can you deny some the right to marriage and how can you say just call it something else. Wouldn't that be like saying only men can drink Pepsi and women coke? Or even like the white restrooms, and the colored restrooms? I do not understand how one human can look at another human and say you cannot get married because our sexual preferences are different. You don't look at someone and say you can not go out to eat with me because you will not order the same thing as I do. If gay marriage is banned whats next, banning marriage of the people in different financial classes? Or people of different races? I say let who ever wants to marry do it. You share the same city, state, country, favorite sports team, movie, vacation spot, and you even share the same air with people everyday that aren't the same as you, and don't all believe, act, or support the same things you do, and it hasn't killed you yet.


(The "you" is not directed at anyone so no one take that as a personal attack)

:::applause for the goatgod:::

There was a time, in the not too distanct past, that interracial marriage was met with *almost* as much resistance.....and in Utah, was prohibited by religion.....I have gay friends who have been together in loving committed relationships much longer (and much healthier) than some of my hetero friends.....

exactly, another good argument as to why limiting it to mixed-genders seems silly. (Tho, I would require for the purposes of breeding, 5 years of marriage, if only to weed out the dilettantes and "starter marriages" with a psyche eval prior to....)

Now you're on to something.....a license to drive, a license to fish (a license to chill).....a license to procreate....makes sense to me.

BINGO, would solve a lot of problems....