DH?

[RAGTOP]

Ragtop,

Just currious if you're under 30 years old. Maybe you never really experienced baseball without a DH.

32, but the time I started watching the Sox in the late 70's the DH was already in force. If pitchers could hit than I would agree with you, but 9 times out of 10 it appears they just don't care

[Tequila Revenge]

I like the DH.

I'd rather see good pitchers face good hitters than the automatic outs that the majority of pitchers are.

As far as who is the stronger league: since the DH was added in 1973(I think) the AL team has won 20 out of 32 World Series (no WS in 1994).

I also believe it has been about 10 years since the NL won an All Star game

Last 14 years world series champions: AL 10 NL 4 the NL has not won an all star game since 1996 and have only won 3 out of the last 18 all star games.

Look at all the pitchers who put up great numbers in the NL then come to an AL team and stink Pavano, J. Wright, Clement, Suppan, Benson to name a few) look at all the so so AL pitchers who go to the NL and put up good numbers Arroyo, Wright, Suppan, A. Harang...

The AL is the far dominate league in both pitching and hitting and has been for a long time and it's not all because of the DH


.

Everyone knows the AL has better steroids

[Tequila Revenge]

Ragtop,

Just currious if you're under 30 years old. Maybe you never really experienced baseball without a DH.

32, but the time I started watching the Sox in the late 70's the DH was already in force. If pitchers could hit than I would agree with you, but 9 times out of 10 it appears they just don't care

I'm an over 40 victim of fate who grew up watching baseball in the 60's and 70's. It was such a different game. Once upon a time pitchers took pride in hitting, even if they batted .190 to .220. They ALL could bunt and move runners.


Cheers and beers. Appreciate your passion.

[weirdo0521]

Drop the DH. I've always lived in AL cities and my favorite teams are AL teams. Never liked the DH though. Was told once by a friend of mine who was a NL fan, "The AL is the wimps league!"

Also, as stated earlier, drop the inter league BS games. What's the point of the World Series if the teams have played each other in regular play????

What's the point of any championship then? In the NBA and NHL all teams play each other, and in the NFL teams have played in the regular season and then met in the Super Bowl.

[BottleofRum]

I like the DH.

I'd rather see good pitchers face good hitters than the automatic outs that the majority of pitchers are.

As far as who is the stronger league: since the DH was added in 1973(I think) the AL team has won 20 out of 32 World Series (no WS in 1994).

I also believe it has been about 10 years since the NL won an All Star game

Last 14 years world series champions: AL 10 NL 4 the NL has not won an all star game since 1996 and have only won 3 out of the last 18 all star games.

Look at all the pitchers who put up great numbers in the NL then come to an AL team and stink Pavano, J. Wright, Clement, Suppan, Benson to name a few) look at all the so so AL pitchers who go to the NL and put up good numbers Arroyo, Wright, Suppan, A. Harang...

The AL is the far dominate league in both pitching and hitting and has been for a long time and it's not all because of the DH


.

Everyone knows the AL has better steroids

They call it HGH now

SHefield
-Giambi
-Heredia


or Yankee Pride for short

[Tequila Revenge]

I like the DH.

I'd rather see good pitchers face good hitters than the automatic outs that the majority of pitchers are.

As far as who is the stronger league: since the DH was added in 1973(I think) the AL team has won 20 out of 32 World Series (no WS in 1994).

I also believe it has been about 10 years since the NL won an All Star game

Last 14 years world series champions: AL 10 NL 4 the NL has not won an all star game since 1996 and have only won 3 out of the last 18 all star games.

Look at all the pitchers who put up great numbers in the NL then come to an AL team and stink Pavano, J. Wright, Clement, Suppan, Benson to name a few) look at all the so so AL pitchers who go to the NL and put up good numbers Arroyo, Wright, Suppan, A. Harang...

The AL is the far dominate league in both pitching and hitting and has been for a long time and it's not all because of the DH


.

Everyone knows the AL has better steroids

They call it HGH now

SHefield
-Giambi
-Heredia


or Yankee Pride for short

SPEW! SPEW! SPEW!!!

[LIPH]

The NL has not won an all star game since 1996 and have only won 3 out of the last 18 all star games.

And from 1963-1987 the record in All-Star games was NL 22 AL 3. It goes in cycles.

Look at all the pitchers who put up great numbers in the NL then come to an AL team and stink Pavano, J. Wright, Clement, Suppan, Benson to name a few) look at all the so so AL pitchers who go to the NL and put up good numbers Arroyo, Wright, Suppan, A. Harang...

Before the Yankees signed Pavano, his career record was 57-58, and that was after he went 18-8 in 2004. He stunk before he came to the AL.

Jaret Wright was only in the NL for 2 years and he was a combined 17-13 in those 2 years, not exactly great numbers.

Jeff Suppan has had good and bad years in both leagues.

Kris Benson's record in the NL was 57-61 with a 4.25 ERA. This year, with a bad Baltimore team, he's 8-5 with a 4.32 ERA. Looks like he's doing better in the AL.

Matt Clement was 69-75 in the NL. He went to the AL last year and was 13-6.

[Tequila Revenge]

The NL has not won an all star game since 1996 and have only won 3 out of the last 18 all star games.

And from 1963-1987 the record in All-Star games was NL 22 AL 3. It goes in cycles.

Look at all the pitchers who put up great numbers in the NL then come to an AL team and stink Pavano, J. Wright, Clement, Suppan, Benson to name a few) look at all the so so AL pitchers who go to the NL and put up good numbers Arroyo, Wright, Suppan, A. Harang...

Before the Yankees signed Pavano, his career record was 57-58, and that was after he went 18-8 in 2004. He stunk before he came to the AL.

Jaret Wright was only in the NL for 2 years and he was a combined 17-13 in those 2 years, not exactly great numbers.

Jeff Suppan has had good and bad years in both leagues.

Anna Benson's ex-husband record in the NL was 57-61 with a 4.25 ERA. This year, with a bad Baltimore team, he's 8-5 with a 4.32 ERA. Looks like he's doing better in the AL.

Matt Clement was 69-75 in the NL. He went to the AL last year and was 13-6.

Fixed it for you

[LIPH]

They're still married. And she's still a pig and an attention whore.

[RAGTOP]

looks like we are all in agreement. Everyone loves the DH and the AL is far superior... my work is done here

[Tequila Revenge]

They're still married. And she's still a pig and an attention whore.

Betcha more people know about her than her husband though

[BottleofRum]

The NL has not won an all star game since 1996 and have only won 3 out of the last 18 all star games.

And from 1963-1987 the record in All-Star games was NL 22 AL 3. It goes in cycles.

Look at all the pitchers who put up great numbers in the NL then come to an AL team and stink Pavano, J. Wright, Clement, Suppan, Benson to name a few) look at all the so so AL pitchers who go to the NL and put up good numbers Arroyo, Wright, Suppan, A. Harang...

Before the Yankees signed Pavano, his career record was 57-58, and that was after he went 18-8 in 2004. He stunk before he came to the AL.

Jaret Wright was only in the NL for 2 years and he was a combined 17-13 in those 2 years, not exactly great numbers.

Jeff Suppan has had good and bad years in both leagues.

Kris Benson's record in the NL was 57-61 with a 4.25 ERA. This year, with a bad Baltimore team, he's 8-5 with a 4.32 ERA. Looks like he's doing better in the AL.

Matt Clement was 69-75 in the NL. He went to the AL last year and was 13-6.

The point is Pavano, Wright, Suppan and Clement all had good season's (about what a #2-3 starter would be) just prior to moving to the AL then all put up numbers of a number 5 starter or a long relief pitcher in the AL.

Pavano's last 2 years in the NL he went 30-21 adv 15 wins a season
Wright 15-8 in 2004 his last in the NL
Clement's last 3 years in the NL he went 35-36 but had an ERA of 3.79 which means he pitched better than his record. He just lacked run support.
Jeff Suppan won 32 games over the past two season's with an ERA of 3.8 his last stint in the AL was in 2003 with Boston he went 3-4 ERA 5.57 after being acquired in July.

They all put up decent NL numbers then come to the AL and get knocked back to mediocrity. None of the above pitchers have come close to matching their NL numbers in the AL.


Kris Benson, for some reason I thought he was a better pitcher than he was, I guess all the hype around him the last few years can be summed up in one word Anna.

[NYCPORT]

But she does have really nice tits!
Cut me some slack, it's my birthday.

[LIPH]

Pavano's last 2 years in the NL he went 30-21 adv 15 wins a season
Wright 15-8 in 2004 his last in the NL
Clement's last 3 years in the NL he went 35-36 but had an ERA of 3.79 which means he pitched better than his record. He just lacked run support.
Jeff Suppan won 32 games over the past two season's with an ERA of 3.8 his last stint in the AL was in 2003 with Boston he went 3-4 ERA 5.57 after being acquired in July.

We could go back and forth all day, but if Pavano was 30-21 his last 2 years in the NL and he was 18-8 in one of those years that means the other year his record was 12-13. Mediocre, like his whole career.

Wright had a lot of injuries, the year he went 15-8 with the Braves he was healthy all year. He also had arguably the best pitching coach in the major leagues.

[SchoolGirlHeart]

As a baseball purist, I don't want a DH. I want the strategy that goes along with a pitcher batting.

As a baseball fan, I like having an extra hitter with the DH, and recognize that the entertainment value of the game is probably higher with the DH.

Love point number one..... but I think point two argues with number one. In baseball there is no unlimitied amounts of rolling substitutions like baseketball and football. There's no nickle package, no three point shooters at the end of the game, none of that. If you make a substitution in baseball that's all she wrote, it's done and permanent until the next game. In a close game in the NL, there's a point in time during a close game where everyone knows the onus will soon be on the manager to keep or pull the pitcher. It 100% affects the strategy of the game and can not be ignored. The AL does not have to deal with such an important aspect of the game every night. How often to do you see a double switch in the AL?

Also, I can remember on numerous occasions the mgr using a pitcher as a pinch hitter to sacrafice a player into scoring position. Dodgers using Hershheiser against the Mets in 88 comes to mind. That's entertaining and what makes baseball better than the other sports.


I understand what you mean by the extra pop of the bat adding entertainment value. Personally I enjoy the strategy and the gamble each and every night.

Oh, yeah.... point one and two definitely argue against each other. I just see both sides of the argument.... I love the strategy involved with a pitcher batting..... but I recognize (as someone commented earlier) that not everyone who watches baseball goes so deep into the game. They'd rather see batters get hits.... thus the DH.

[Cubbie Bear]

Sorry, out of town for two days.

The DH is a crime against nature and humanity

[chippewa]

Baseball needs to get rid of:

• the DH
  interleague play
  All-Star game deciding World Series location
  Drugs
  Bud Selig

[weirdo0521]

Baseball needs to get rid of:

• the DH
  interleague play
  All-Star game deciding World Series location
  Drugs
  Bud Selig

Especially the All Star game deciding Home Field advantage for the World Series. Since MLB says that all teams must have a representative on the All Star team, I think it is a joke.

[ejr]

Sorry, out of town for two days.

The DH is a crime against nature and humanity

Don't hold back---tell us what you really think! And I agree completely!

[SMLCHNG]

Baseball needs to get rid of:

• the DH
  interleague play
  All-Star game deciding World Series location
  Drugs
  Bud Selig

Especially the All Star game deciding Home Field advantage for the World Series. Since MLB says that all teams must have a representative on the All Star team, I think it is a joke.

Yep, Yep, and Yep.