Buffett gives $37 billion to Gates and other foundations?

[LIPH]

Larry, I commented on the money being donated to express my opihion on the issue, just like you did. I have repeatedly said what they were doing was a good thing. Care to say I did otherwise?

If that was a point I had made, maybe it would be worth responding to but it isn't so your comment is irrelevant. As usual.

As to what I have done to help is irrevelent and probably is nothing, that compares to your "holy works" by any means. It is actions that speak louder than words and while money is needed, so are people and bodies to help get things done.

I've never done any "holy works".

You're right, actions do speak louder than words. And all we ever seem to get from you is words. And more words. And more words ...
I'm seeing a pattern here.

[LIPH]

Or else how to make it and to keep it........

Whose to say what the Gates Foundation will or won't do?
My point is if Gates is so giving, why hasn't he given more? He does not need Warren Buffett's money to fund his personal charities. He could fund it himself, and never miss a dime.

Bill Gates is the laregest charitable donor in history. No one has given more to charites that he has.

Don't confuse him with facts.

[Sam]

No I am not saying curing these diseases should not be cured, or anything like that.
I am saying that [l]I doubt a cure would ever be found because of the money involved.[/i] It has become a mega $$$$ business.

Let me see if this analogy will work....
If you developed an inexspensive and very efficient form of energy and turned it loose and freely gave it to everyone ( by the way,Tesla wanted to do just that and lost his financial backing because of it ) ...that would a good thing for everyone right? No more people depending on fossil fuel power plants or nucear power plants

Okies that is a good thing for the people right?! Bad for the power industry though isn't it? Now do you think they actually want everyone to have free and/or inexspensive power???

Read this article about Cancer Research.
http://www.pnc.com.au/~cafmr/online/res ... ancer.html

Also the money spent on lobbying for Cancer and HIV research ( in 1998)
http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9809/25/cance ... .advancer/


Larry, I commented on the money being donated to express my opihion on the issue, just like you did. I have repeatedly said what they were doing was a good thing. Care to say I did otherwise?

As to what I have done to help is irrevelent and probably is nothing, that compares to your "holy works" by any means. It is actions that speak louder than words and while money is needed, so are people and bodies to help get things done.

Sam, what you said was that if the diseases wee cured a lot of people would be out of work, not that the healthcare industry would loose money. Don't change your argument now. Perhaps you want to alter it? Perhaps you see the response to your tirade and realize you may have chosen your words poorly. Fine, retract them and then restate your point.

However your analogy of free power is ridiculous and insulting as you are equating one kilowat of energy with a human life.

I don't need to read your articles. I have read more and studied more about cancer and cancer research than I ever want to read again.

I do agree that actions speak louder than words. To that end, and to the point of this thread, Mr. Buffett spent his life amassing a fortune that few will match and now he is acting by taking that fortune and spending it where he believes it will do the most good. His actions are momentous, your words are mere whining that he didn't consult you first.

If that is how you feel that is what I said, fine and my apologies. Could I have worded differently, no doubt. I am not retracting the words. They are there. They are evidence of the major players. Just as power companies are major players. Your choice to decide. At least some other people did understand it, maybe not everyone did but, enough did, to show me that some people are just more argumentitive about the point and no I am not saying all are that . Maybe some did not get the point. But you cannot deny the money involved or the industry it has become.


It has become a money game....in a major way with major players. Many lives are affected by it, besides those that have or had the disease.

Mr. Play,
Yes I am quite aware of there being many different types of cancers. As I said before, new discoveries and cures are found everyday. My Dad was a cancer survivor.

As for me asking for money for charities, I find it best if the individual charities do it as they have all the neccessary contacts and numbers and what not. I have done fund raising for charities and raised money for various causes.
What I can is contact some people and send them the info and let them hash it out. The worst they can be told is no.
Thank you the idea.

[Sam]

Larry, I commented on the money being donated to express my opihion on the issue, just like you did. I have repeatedly said what they were doing was a good thing. Care to say I did otherwise?

If that was a point I had made, maybe it would be worth responding to but it isn't so your comment is irrelevant. As usual.

As to what I have done to help is irrevelent and probably is nothing, that compares to your "holy works" by any means. It is actions that speak louder than words and while money is needed, so are people and bodies to help get things done.

I've never done any "holy works".

You're right, actions do speak louder than words. And all we ever seem to get from you is words. And more words. And more words ...
I'm seeing a pattern here.

The same with you isn't it....

[LIPH]

Sam, the difference is I'm not complaining about how someone else chooses to spend his money. That's your broken record, not mine.

[green1]

A very wise singer/songwriter once wrote:

No amount of talkin'
Can change a mind that's been made up.....

I will learn this lesson eventually.

[Sam]

Sam, the difference is I'm not complaining about how someone else chooses to spend his money. That's your broken record, not mine.

I am not complaining about how someone else chooses to spend his money. Where did I say that?

[Mr Play]

I am not complaining about how someone else chooses to spend his money. Where did I say that?

You're saying he should have given it to charities that serve causes more to your liking. Right?

[Sam]

Or else how to make it and to keep it........

Whose to say what the Gates Foundation will or won't do?
My point is if Gates is so giving, why hasn't he given more? He does not need Warren Buffett's money to fund his personal charities. He could fund it himself, and never miss a dime.

Bill Gates is the laregest charitable donor in history. No one has given more to charites than he has.

Perhaps he has made more in recent in History. What about the Carnegies? If their dollars over the years were converted todays dollars...I think it would be pretty close. Maybe not.

By the way, aren't some of the people in defending Bill Gates, some of the very same people, that attack him and Microsoft?
I have clearly said Bill Gates and Warren Buffett donating to charity was a good thing. Where did I say different?

[green1]

I have clearly said Bill Gates and Warren Buffett donating to charity was a good thing. Where did I say different?

No Sam, you just speak out of both sides of your mouth. In the beginning of every message you state how it is a good thing. Then your message goes on to criticize the method of dispersion, to heep woe upon those charities you say are not going to get money, to abuse the concept of having to spend 1.5 billion a year when you have absolutely know idea of the inticiacies of the agreement between the Gates foundation and Warren Buffett.
No, you did say it was a good thing. But if given the choice between your praise and someone else's criticism I would choose the criticism. At least they would not be hiding behind flowery praise.

[LIPH]

Sam, the difference is I'm not complaining about how someone else chooses to spend his money. That's your broken record, not mine.

I am not complaining about how someone else chooses to spend his money. Where did I say that?

In just about every one of your posts in this thread.

[Sam]

I am not complaining about how someone else chooses to spend his money. Where did I say that?

You're saying he should have given it to charities that serve causes more to your liking. Right?

That was nothing but a slam.
Where did I say anything about any cause in particular should recieve all of the money? All I said was give it to the truly needy people, or possibly create jobs for them and yes I used examples.

Go back and read my first couple or so post in this thread ....I said what?.If you can't see both sides "of the coin" with this, perhaps you might need to take a step back and look it over and think it over, and reconsider. Your choice to do so or not.

I did not attack or insult Bill Gates or Warren Buffett, nor did I complain about how they choose to spend THEIR money.

Since this thread is open to discussion, obviously we expect different points of view. All I see there the same individuals who are people with supposed open minds, accusing me of being close minded about this.

So, who is really close minded about this? Why has this become an issue?
Who is doing the name calling and insulting that they claim they disdain and abhor?

[green1]

Serenity now. Serenity now.

[Sam]

Sam, the difference is I'm not complaining about how someone else chooses to spend his money. That's your broken record, not mine.

I am not complaining about how someone else chooses to spend his money. Where did I say that?

In just about every one of your posts in this thread.

Why don't you show us some examples?
Who is the broken record here coucilor? Funny how a someone that makes a living with words, complains about people that use them.... After all what do you expect in here videos?

[Tiki Bar]

You spin me round round baby
round round
like a record baby
round round round round!

[Sam]

I have clearly said Bill Gates and Warren Buffett donating to charity was a good thing. Where did I say different?

No Sam, you just speak out of both sides of your mouth. In the beginning of every message you state how it is a good thing. Then your message goes on to criticize the method of dispersion, to heep woe upon those charities you say are not going to get money, to abuse the concept of having to spend 1.5 billion a year when you have absolutely know idea of the inticiacies of the agreement between the Gates foundation and Warren Buffett.
No, you did say it was a good thing. But if given the choice between your praise and someone else's criticism I would choose the criticism. At least they would not be hiding behind flowery praise.

Actually how am I speaking out of both sides of my mouth?

No I questioned the method of dispersion and said I could see good and bad in it.

I used the military as one example of forced spending that I have seen create waste. FIRST HAND!!! Have you ever seen such occur FIRST HAND?? I did say there were other examples.

I take it you thionk you know about the intricaies involved. I never said I did know such details nor did I assume that I did such. I did state my opinion about the thoughts it raised, just as any sensible/reasonble person SHOULD think about and consider and perhaps ask before donating to ANY charity.....
You and a few others seem to have a problem with such.

What am I hiding behind and why should I hide? Tell me where I insulted anyone or called them names or attacked anyone?

[Sam]

You spin me round round baby
round round
like a record baby
round round round round!

You should know all about spin,

[Mr Play]

You're saying he should have given it to charities that serve causes more to your liking. Right?

That was nothing but a slam.

That wasn't a slam, that was me trying to understand your point of view.
Please help me understand your position by stating it in one sentence.

Go back and read my first couple or so post in this thread ....I said what?.If you can't see both sides "of the coin" with this, perhaps you might need to take a step back and look it over and think it over, and reconsider. Your choice to do so or not.

I tend to think, of all the needy charities out there, that do need funding. and so many in need of immediate funding......I don't think Bill Gates's charity, would require much extra funding for a very long while. I am in no way taking away from the charity(ies) Bill Gates has funded, but isn't Gates's net worth reportedly over $400 BILLION ? Warren Buffett is only a mere paltry $44 BILLION?

Aren't you saying the money would be better donated elsewhere?

He could have helped alot of homeless people out, he could have created businesses and put unemployed people to work, or built shelters, or fed a lot of hungry people right here in America, or paid for rehabilitation of wounded vets, or many numerous other things, such as feeding the starving children of the world, that we hear so much about that can be educated and fed and clothed for so little ammount per day or to helping peoplerebuild or relocate from natural disasters.

Aren't you saying the money would be better donated elsewhere?

[LIPH]

Who is the broken record here coucilor?

What's a "coucilor"?

[green1]

You know what. This is not worth the aggravation. So I have deleted the old message and dropped this in.

Sam, I hope the charities to which you are forwarding the contact info get a slice for their needs.

As far as the donation. It is a gift that is truly hard to comprehend in its magnitude. But it will help many millions of people, of that I am sure.