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A lot of us are not proud of some of the things we did in the Eighties.

bravedave wrote:A lot of us are not proud of some of the things we did in the Eighties.

Gee Dave, I have no idea what you are talking about.

And I can say for certain that I did not have a 4 inch tail that was dyed blue, nor did I have a pair of purple checkered bermuda shorts, and I did not have a Sheena Easton album.

Turning Around, Love And Luck, and Great Heart all have a similar feel to me. And yes, I like them all

Hey, I'm on a Mac, too. Once I downloaded FireFox, I was able to get into all the FTP sites without any problems. Explorer, Netscape and Safari were useless in this pursuit.

--elm

ScarletB wrote:

sunseeker wrote:whats wrong with Last Mango?? I like it.....

ditto

me too!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, okay, it's Don't Bug Me. How memorable. I listened to it once, in a used record store, and that was enough for me.

Turning Around is awful. Come on! It stinks! Just admit it. The production is horrible and ruins the song. It was obviously done during the Mango sessions and that album is spotty at best - by far Buffett's worst album. Compare it to the under appreciated and less popular albums: Floridays, Somewhere Over China, Coconut Telegraph, One Particular Harbour, High Cumberland Jubilee, Down To Earth, Riddles In The Sand. It's funny how people get so defensive about certain albums. Even Stones fans can agree that a number of Stones albums stink. Jimmy plays certain Mango songs on each tour too. I guess he liked the album - or just those songs. Riddles In The Sand is at least solid with the content of the album but it's a clunker as well.

That does not mean there are no good songs on those albums. Just that the albums are not strong when compared to earlier and late albums. Everybody's On The Run is flat, Frank And Lola is by-the-numbers, If The Phone Doesn't Ring, It's Me is sappy - there is not enough darkness in the world to say how pale that song is when compared to something that smokes like Pre-You. The Perfect Partner and Please Bypass This Heart are probably the best tunes on the album. Knees Of My Heart, Love In Decline and Burn That Bridge are weak - maybe it's a tie as to which LP is more of a clunker.

OPHarbour has one clunker on it, production wise - Livin' It Up. But OPH is a fantastic LP, one of his best.

Elvis Imitators is pretty bad as well. Which explains its place on the box set instead of a record. Too bad Math Suks and Cultural Infidel saw the light of day. C-sides at best.

Buffett has gotten critical acclaim for some albums over the years and those happen to be his biggest selling records. The sorry reviews, if there were any reviews at all, also happen to be his least selling LPs. That says something - not much - about those albums.

And the clunkerism for those albums? Ha, I never listen to them. Do you?

I have heard Jimmy say, "If The Phone Doesn't Ring It's Me" is his favorite song, and that makes me appreciate it.

I guess I have watched the movie Summer Rental so many times, I look forward to hearing that song every time as the song of the champions. It's a feel-good song and a Good Guys Win every once in a while movie!!

JustDucky wrote:And the clunkerism for those albums? Ha, I never listen to them. Do you?

You betcha!! Just like you mentioned. Every album is a story of where Jimmy was in his life and has a theme. Listening to each album is enjoyable to me, but yep, there are some songs that are clunkers to me, but I never skip over a song. I don't feel there are any clunker albums.

JustDucky wrote:And the clunkerism for those albums? Ha, I never listen to them. Do you?

Apparently you don't understand the posters here.
We listen to them all.

Desdamona wrote:

JustDucky wrote:And the clunkerism for those albums? Ha, I never listen to them. Do you?

Apparently you don't understand the posters here.
We listen to them all.

You said it best!!!!

I need to clarify here:

I like those songs, with exception to Elvis Imitators, Math Suks, Turning Around and Cultural Infidel. Take It Back is pretty bad too. I just don't care for how they were done, hence the slagging of the poduction and the albums. I even like those albums, Mango and Sand - I know the songs, etc... I just don't like the albums overall.

I like all of Jimmy's albums. But liking them and defending them are too different things - they are not great albums by any means. I like Off To See The Lizard more than Mango and Sand but production wise it's a clunker! That computerised sterile sound. It's stunning when you listen to Hot Water and then Lizard. A year apart and they sound a universe apart.

Hot Water is an amazing album, production wise and song wise. Somewhere Over China, OPHarbour, Floridays and Hot Water are Jimmy's best LPs from the 1980s - production wise and song writing wise. And think of the tunes he left off those albums - Domino College, Love And Luck, Money Back Guarantee, Middle Of The Night. They made it to the box set.

Desdamona wrote:

JustDucky wrote:And the clunkerism for those albums? Ha, I never listen to them. Do you?

Apparently you don't understand the posters here.
We listen to them all.

good one Des...perhaps...he (she)...doesn't...GET IT..???

Elvis Imitators is a BLAST!

Thank you. Thank you very much mamma baby

And I LOVE Capt. Tony too

JustDucky wrote:I need to clarify here:

I like those songs, with exception to Elvis Imitators, Math Suks, Turning Around and Cultural Infidel. Take It Back is pretty bad too. I just don't care for how they were done, hence the slagging of the poduction and the albums. I even like those albums, Mango and Sand - I know the songs, etc... I just don't like the albums overall.

I like all of Jimmy's albums. But liking them and defending them are too different things - they are not great albums by any means. I like Off To See The Lizard more than Mango and Sand but production wise it's a clunker! That computerised sterile sound. It's stunning when you listen to Hot Water and then Lizard. A year apart and they sound a universe apart.

Hot Water is an amazing album, production wise and song wise. Somewhere Over China, OPHarbour, Floridays and Hot Water are Jimmy's best LPs from the 1980s - production wise and song writing wise. And think of the tunes he left off those albums - Domino College, Love And Luck, Money Back Guarantee, Middle Of The Night. They made it to the box set.

All of us have our Favorites. IMNSHO that Elvis Imitators and Math Suks could/should have been left alone.
Other than that those particular two....The rest you have mentioned are FAR better than ok with me. I like them ALOT.

I can admit there are probably other songs he has done, IMNSHO he probably shouldn't have, but that is his and the producers freedom and choice to exercise and make. The only person that has to like them are JB and the producers. They still make him and them, $$$$$.

Even though some fans maybe more critical than others about JB and the CRB's music....Jimmy is still outselling shows in minutes and raking in well over a COOL $130 MILLION a year.

As has been pointed out many times, Music and Musicians evolve and change. Some fans may or may not like it, but it is a fact and does happen.

Let's face it...most likely and most unfortunately, there will never be another A1A.

Some of us may not like remembering the 80s, some of us do. Some may not even know the 80s at all, being too young.

Do a poll and see how many people like dislike the songs you mentioned.
Some people will buy anything an artists sells no matter how bad it may be. Other people won't, or perhaps will just want it for the collection and never play it.

One thing for sure, some songs you may not like at first ... listen to them a few times....give them a break...after some time, go back and listen to them again... they just might grow on you.

Get WHAT? WHAT is there to GET? That you have a lot of time for all things Buffett and nothing else? I guess that makes you a Parrothead. You really listen to every song, every album, even the first two, all the time every day every week every month every year? And obviously spend a ton of time on buffettnews. I don't have time and even if I did I wouldn't. There's so much music to listen to that listening to Buffett records is not in my top ten artists to listen to this week priority list. I sure as hell ain't no Parrotthead. I'm just a fan.

In fact, I hardly listen to him, especially since he doesn't tour through the Gulf Coast. The past few years have been that way. I've already listened to all of the albums. ALL of them. When he releases a new record I listen to it a lot. Then it joins all the other albums and becomes an after thought, a record to play when I feel the need to hear that one song or whatever. And that's it. Buffett is no soundtrack to my life.

JustDucky wrote: I sure as hell ain't no Parrotthead. I'm just a fan.

since you can't spell it....it's understood...but..well, makes me wonder why you're...here...at all, are all of your 129 posts this negative?

I'm pretty sure most of us have other lives. I know I do...

I have no use for Kenny Chesney, or most country music...but I don't go to those websites and critique country music.

After all, it's only your opinion...

No, they're not that negative. I wouldn't classify that as negative really. Just questioning. And the spelling of Parrothead - well, he spells it that way in the liner notes to Feeding Frenzy. And it's even quoted that way on the back liner page for A Pirate Looks At Fifty. And it really doesn't matter.

Ah, ha ha ha ha, whatever.

Oh I see, I put two Ts in it. But you knew what I was talking about.

I thought you were talking about it being spelled as Parrot Head vs Parrothead.

Whutever.

JustDucky wrote:Oh, okay, it's Don't Bug Me. How memorable. I listened to it once, in a used record store, and that was enough for me.

Turning Around is awful. Come on! It stinks! Just admit it. The production is horrible and ruins the song. It was obviously done during the Mango sessions and that album is spotty at best - by far Buffett's worst album. Compare it to the under appreciated and less popular albums: Floridays, Somewhere Over China, Coconut Telegraph, One Particular Harbour, High Cumberland Jubilee, Down To Earth, Riddles In The Sand. It's funny how people get so defensive about certain albums. Even Stones fans can agree that a number of Stones albums stink. Jimmy plays certain Mango songs on each tour too. I guess he liked the album - or just those songs. Riddles In The Sand is at least solid with the content of the album but it's a clunker as well.

That does not mean there are no good songs on those albums. Just that the albums are not strong when compared to earlier and late albums. Everybody's On The Run is flat, Frank And Lola is by-the-numbers, If The Phone Doesn't Ring, It's Me is sappy - there is not enough darkness in the world to say how pale that song is when compared to something that smokes like Pre-You. The Perfect Partner and Please Bypass This Heart are probably the best tunes on the album. Knees Of My Heart, Love In Decline and Burn That Bridge are weak - maybe it's a tie as to which LP is more of a clunker.

OPHarbour has one clunker on it, production wise - Livin' It Up. But OPH is a fantastic LP, one of his best.

Elvis Imitators is pretty bad as well. Which explains its place on the box set instead of a record. Too bad Math Suks and Cultural Infidel saw the light of day. C-sides at best.

Buffett has gotten critical acclaim for some albums over the years and those happen to be his biggest selling records. The sorry reviews, if there were any reviews at all, also happen to be his least selling LPs. That says something - not much - about those albums.

And the clunkerism for those albums? Ha, I never listen to them. Do you?

Saying how bad something is QUESTIONING???? TELLING people to admit is stinks , is QUESTIONING???

Just because YOU don't like it...does not mean EVERYONE ELSE does and telling them to admit it stinks, is far form QUESTIONING in anyone's book!

Like I said YOU don't have to like it, I doubt you can say or do anything, to convince people otherwise.

As for "GETTING IT", well if you have to ask what "GETTING IT"[/i] means..... then you don't know. If you "GET IT" you would know.

Dude....."Man, You are just, so NOT Jellin!"

So serious.

Explain "getting it". Get what? That people are fans and have fun talking Buffett? I get that. But that's not what my simple post was about. It was so long ago that I was a hardcore Buffett fan but the Parrot Head Nation that started "getting it" made It difficult to Get tickets to the point that It wasn't worth It anymore. And I've read that from a lot of Parrot Heads.

My opinion of Turning Around stinking is just that. As is everything else. But if you read what I said, that some people are so defensive about certain things with Buffett compared to The Rolling Stones (or anyone for that matter), well then, it's rather obvious. For myself, I have no problem saying that some of Jimmy's albums and songs stink.

Yeah, questioning. Without asking any questions. But it is questioning.

JustDucky wrote:So serious.

Explain "getting it". Get what? That people are fans and have fun talking Buffett? I get that. But that's not what my simple post was about. It was so long ago that I was a hardcore Buffett fan but the Parrot Head Nation that started "getting it" made It difficult to Get tickets to the point that It wasn't worth It anymore. And I've read that from a lot of Parrot Heads.

My opinion of Turning Around stinking is just that. As is everything else. But if you read what I said, that some people are so defensive about certain things with Buffett compared to The Rolling Stones (or anyone for that matter), well then, it's rather obvious. For myself, I have no problem saying that some of Jimmy's albums and songs stink.

Yeah, questioning. Without asking any questions. But it is questioning.

Have you ever seen the movie "City Slickers" ? If not, try watching it until you understand what "IT" is.

I can agree that there are many, that claim to "GET IT" but really don't.

Of course it is your opinion, but telling others to admit something they do not believe, simply because you feel that way......?

I am not about to pay what I and others do feel, are exhorbitant prices to see anyone. Does that make me or them any less of a fan or parrothead?
There are better ways IMNSHO to spend the money on living the life, such as saving it for a "Barefoot Cruise". But that is my opinion...others may think/feel different.

You may see such statements you made as questioning....I feel/consider (as some others do) that they were telling us how to think/feel. Granted, if I think any band or performer/singer/band/song suks then I will say so, no matter how big of a fan I may be. That does not mean that I am telling everyone to admit to feeling as I do.

Try making a poll of the JB songs you feel are terrible or asking people to list their least favorite JB songs. ( You already know I agree with TWO of them.)

Then again there are people that like them. But they are not telling everyone to like them.....are they?