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Marnin Grita Guy wrote:Anything with Nutrasweet is a NoNo!

At 95 degrees it starts changing its chemical composition.

You do not want to know what to!

If you do research.

Now I'm curious and a little lazy Help me out here

BahamaBreeze wrote:Has anyone tried the new Pepsi Jazz sodas?

Saw them at Target...Strawberries & Cream...I passed.

I had one last week. First time I'd ever seen it and I was curious. It was alright, but probably not something I'd buy again.

Personally, I've been living on Diet Cherry Vanilla Dr. Pepper lately. I drink way too much pop, so it was either switch to diet or weigh a whoooole bunch more.

I'm trying to drink more water, but so far it hasn't taken.

I may be a bit odd here, but I found I was hooked on the carbination not the sugar or caffine. In addition to the occasional soda, i drink a lot of seltzer. I buy the liter bottles, pop half a lemon in and am satisfied.

Skibo wrote:I may be a bit odd here, but I found I was hooked on the carbination not the sugar or caffine. In addition to the occasional soda, i drink a lot of seltzer. I buy the liter bottles, pop half a lemon in and am satisfied.

I drink a lot of Seltzer water too...Publix puts the 2 liter bottles on sale a lot ...2 for $1.00...I like the raspberry and the lime..and no aspartame..

They're really good in this hot weather!

I used to NEVER drink diet drinks till the Zero drinks came out...I was a Coke girl all the way.

Now I drink Coke Zero all the time, but will use other Zero drinks (Sprite) for mixers as needed.

They taste just like the originals IMHO.

thebeachbumm33 wrote:

Marnin Grita Guy wrote:Anything with Nutrasweet is a NoNo!

At 95 degrees it starts changing its chemical composition.

You do not want to know what to!

If you do research.

Now I'm curious and a little lazy Help me out here

At higher temps it begins to break down (the reason Nutrasweet isn't good for cooking). A small percentage breaks down into methanol, which in turn converts into formaldehyde. (Although keep in mind that it does the same thing inside your body as your digestive system processes it.)

There is one for-sure health risk: aspartame contains the amino acid phenylalanine and is unsafe for those born with phenylketonuria, a genetic condition that makes it impossible for those with it to metabolize phenylalanine.

The short version of other alleged health risks is this: aspartame does have a variety of different by-products that are not good for you at high levels. The debate is really over what constitutes "too high" of a level. It really depends on who you want to believe.

Most major health organizations (American Cancer Society, National Cancer Institute, American Heart Association, FDA, etc.) all say it's safe. They say the levels of chemicals associated with aspartame is far lower than those associated with toxicity in humans and point to numerous studies that have been done showing no adverse health effects associated with long-term use.

Various other consumer interest and holistic medicine groups say the levels are high enough to cause brain tumors, neurological diseases, multiple sclerosis, seizures, lupus, Gulf War Syndrome, chronic fatigue syndrome and diabetes. Unfortunately, most of their claims are based on anecdotal cases or studies with small sample sizes or other statistical problems. (However, just because something is anecdotal doesn't mean it's not true.) Additionally, they point out that the company that invented aspartame was later owned by Monsanto from 1985 to 2000, when many of the alleged problems came to light (with the insunuation being the power and money of the global corporation was able to silence critics and keep the product on the market).

So take your pick. Like most things, the truth is probably somewhere in between. Too much of anything is often bad for you so, just like your momma taught you, moderation is the key.

I don't believe in soda pop.

Did you know that the first soda pop was created by Ivana Dooyu Trotsky, sister to the famous Marxist revolutionary?

Soda pop is part of an ongoing (and very successful) project to ensure that when the godless Communists finally invade, the average American won't be able to move fast enough to either fight or flee!

I also discovered, through my own research, that soda pop was sapping and polluting the purity of my essence (ie precious bodily fluids).

Please, for the sake of your country and your God, stay away from soda pop.

hey man, don't be hatin' on the godless communists.

flyboy55 wrote:I also discovered, through my own research, that soda pop was sapping and polluting the purity of my essence (ie precious bodily fluids).

"You're gonna have to answer to the Coca-Cola company."

Big Red Parrothead wrote:

flyboy55 wrote:I also discovered, through my own research, that soda pop was sapping and polluting the purity of my essence (ie precious bodily fluids).

"You're gonna have to answer to the Coca-Cola company."

How could anyone forget Maj. Batguano, resolutely on guard against "preversions"?

[quote="parrothead216"][/quote]
Most diabetics can't have the Whopper from BK.

Without going into details most people won't understand or care about......

Insulin dependant diabetics (mainly type 1) base the amount of insulin taken for a meal by carb intake. Fat also plays into how carbs are processed by the body. All this must be taken in to consideration when adjusting your insulin intake for that meal. So drinking a diet soda will eliminate carbs from that meal making it a better decision for most.

Fast food in general sucks for anyones health so minimizing it would be smart. I have used Equal since it has been available as a substitute for sugar, mainly in my coffee and ice tea. I like things sweet (ironic for me), so I've used a lot. I recently changed to spenda for whatever good that will do.

If it is as bad as advertised.......I'm in big trouble....

Big Red Parrothead wrote:

thebeachbumm33 wrote:

Marnin Grita Guy wrote:Anything with Nutrasweet is a NoNo!

At 95 degrees it starts changing its chemical composition.

You do not want to know what to!

If you do research.

Now I'm curious and a little lazy Help me out here

At higher temps it begins to break down (the reason Nutrasweet isn't good for cooking). A small percentage breaks down into methanol, which in turn converts into formaldehyde. (Although keep in mind that it does the same thing inside your body as your digestive system processes it.)

There is one for-sure health risk: aspartame contains the amino acid phenylalanine and is unsafe for those born with phenylketonuria, a genetic condition that makes it impossible for those with it to metabolize phenylalanine.

The short version of other alleged health risks is this: aspartame does have a variety of different by-products that are not good for you at high levels. The debate is really over what constitutes "too high" of a level. It really depends on who you want to believe.

Most major health organizations (American Cancer Society, National Cancer Institute, American Heart Association, FDA, etc.) all say it's safe. They say the levels of chemicals associated with aspartame is far lower than those associated with toxicity in humans and point to numerous studies that have been done showing no adverse health effects associated with long-term use.

Various other consumer interest and holistic medicine groups say the levels are high enough to cause brain tumors, neurological diseases, multiple sclerosis, seizures, lupus, Gulf War Syndrome, chronic fatigue syndrome and diabetes. Unfortunately, most of their claims are based on anecdotal cases or studies with small sample sizes or other statistical problems. (However, just because something is anecdotal doesn't mean it's not true.) Additionally, they point out that the company that invented aspartame was later owned by Monsanto from 1985 to 2000, when many of the alleged problems came to light (with the insunuation being the power and money of the global corporation was able to silence critics and keep the product on the market).

So take your pick. Like most things, the truth is probably somewhere in between. Too much of anything is often bad for you so, just like your momma taught you, moderation is the key.

Wonderful explanation,BRP. Thank you! You must be a chemist.

There also is the suggestion that the makers of Nutrasweet( Aspartame) were responsible for the ban of Stevia. A plant derived natural sweetener. Now there is a sweetener that isn't bad. If you need to do a sugar substitute!

3/4 Time wrote:

parrothead216 wrote:

Most diabetics can't have the Whopper from BK.

Without going into details most people won't understand or care about......

Insulin dependant diabetics (mainly type 1) base the amount of insulin taken for a meal by carb intake. Fat also plays into how carbs are processed by the body. All this must be taken in to consideration when adjusting your insulin intake for that meal. So drinking a diet soda will eliminate carbs from that meal making it a better decision for most.

Fast food in general sucks for anyones health so minimizing it would be smart. I have used Equal since it has been available as a substitute for sugar, mainly in my coffee and ice tea. I like things sweet (ironic for me), so I've used a lot. I recently changed to spenda for whatever good that will do.

If it is as bad as advertised.......I'm in big trouble....

MODERATION...is the key to most everything.. (I can think if a few things it doesn't apply to).....but especially nutrition., it's important...

I can't stand "diet" pop....But I do drink Minute Maid Light products.

3/4 Time wrote:

parrothead216 wrote:

Most diabetics can't have the Whopper from BK.

Without going into details most people won't understand or care about......

Insulin dependant diabetics (mainly type 1) base the amount of insulin taken for a meal by carb intake. Fat also plays into how carbs are processed by the body. All this must be taken in to consideration when adjusting your insulin intake for that meal. So drinking a diet soda will eliminate carbs from that meal making it a better decision for most.

Fast food in general sucks for anyones health so minimizing it would be smart. I have used Equal since it has been available as a substitute for sugar, mainly in my coffee and ice tea. I like things sweet (ironic for me), so I've used a lot. I recently changed to spenda for whatever good that will do.

If it is as bad as advertised.......I'm in big trouble....

3/4 time I agree that reducing your intake of useless calories in the form of sugar isn't a bad thing. The average can of regular pop has 9 teaspoons of sugar in them. It is the suggestion that drinking "diet pop" might be better for you that I took umbrage with. The artificial sweeteners, in particular, Nurtasweet, have a history of neurological probems for some people. Also, as BRP so wonderfully explained, there are chemical changes to the product that appears to be less then desirable.

As for the BK whopper, most diabetics might be able to have a whopper periodically, but the irony for me is then they add the diet coke! Diabetics in general do very well when they watch all constituents of their diet! Fat included. It is the balance that they are looking to achieve .

weirdo0521 wrote:I can't stand "diet" pop....But I do drink Minute Maid Light products.

Weirdo0521, you are correct, a wonderful alternative to "diet" products are "Light" ones. We add too much sugar to most items. In some cases, it is because sugar is cheap and it adds weight! For example, sugared cereals. It adds to the net weight of the product and it doesn't add much cost to the item. But unfortunately, it has made "naturally sweet items not taste sweet enough to the american palate.

The introduction of Light products is a welcomed move because of the OVER use of things like sugar and salt and fat in items. It is amazing that they can reduce the amount of these things and the product still taste good.

parrothead216 wrote:

weirdo0521 wrote:I can't stand "diet" pop....But I do drink Minute Maid Light products.

Weirdo0521, you are correct, a wonderful alternative to "diet" products are "Light" ones. We add too much sugar to most items. In some cases, it is because sugar is cheap and it adds weight! For example, sugared cereals. It adds to the net weight of the product and it doesn't add much cost to the item. But unfortunately, it has made "naturally sweet items not taste sweet enough to the american palate.

The introduction of Light products is a welcomed move because of the OVER use of things like sugar and salt and fat in items. It is amazing that they can reduce the amount of these things and the product still taste good.

that might be the case for some..but a great number of diabetics and those on sugar restricted diets cannot use light products.

they must count fats and carbohydrates, and starches, the last two become sugar when consumed.

There are an alarming number of diabetics in our elementary schools...as well a the increase of allergies to foods...peanuts, as other things, as well..

Moonie wrote:

parrothead216 wrote:

weirdo0521 wrote:I can't stand "diet" pop....But I do drink Minute Maid Light products.

Weirdo0521, you are correct, a wonderful alternative to "diet" products are "Light" ones. We add too much sugar to most items. In some cases, it is because sugar is cheap and it adds weight! For example, sugared cereals. It adds to the net weight of the product and it doesn't add much cost to the item. But unfortunately, it has made "naturally sweet items not taste sweet enough to the american palate.

The introduction of Light products is a welcomed move because of the OVER use of things like sugar and salt and fat in items. It is amazing that they can reduce the amount of these things and the product still taste good.

that might be the case for some..but a great number of diabetics and those on sugar restricted diets cannot use light products.

they must count fats and carbohydrates, and starches, the last two become sugar when consumed.

There are an alarming number of diabetics in our elementary schools...as well a the increase of allergies to foods...peanuts, as other things, as well..

Absolutely Moonie, diabetics should not ingest light products, but they are still a welcome alternative to full sweetened products.

If your interested in doing some research, look into syndrome X.
here's a link

http://www.americanheart.org/presenter. ... tifier=534

There are many more. It happenes because the American diet is filled with tooo many overly processed foods. It is interesting.

Moonie wrote:

parrothead216 wrote:

weirdo0521 wrote:I can't stand "diet" pop....But I do drink Minute Maid Light products.

Weirdo0521, you are correct, a wonderful alternative to "diet" products are "Light" ones. We add too much sugar to most items. In some cases, it is because sugar is cheap and it adds weight! For example, sugared cereals. It adds to the net weight of the product and it doesn't add much cost to the item. But unfortunately, it has made "naturally sweet items not taste sweet enough to the american palate.

The introduction of Light products is a welcomed move because of the OVER use of things like sugar and salt and fat in items. It is amazing that they can reduce the amount of these things and the product still taste good.

that might be the case for some..but a great number of diabetics and those on sugar restricted diets cannot use light products.

they must count fats and carbohydrates, and starches, the last two become sugar when consumed.

There are an alarming number of diabetics in our elementary schools...as well a the increase of allergies to foods...peanuts, as other things, as well..

The reason I tried the minute Maid Light products is because I was on a Low Carb diet. They contain very few carbs (3 g in a can) which is very good if you are trying to do Atkins. I don't know how that adds up for a diabetic.

Moonie wrote: that might be the case for some..but a great number of diabetics and those on sugar restricted diets cannot use light products.

they must count fats and carbohydrates, and starches, the last two become sugar when consumed.

There are an alarming number of diabetics in our elementary schools...as well a the increase of allergies to foods...peanuts, as other things, as well..

Epidemic proportions of children (and adults) are becoming type 2 diabetics!!!!
The result (in part) of over processed high sugar foods, lack of exersize and obesity.... It breaks my heart for me to think of all those kids having to worry about and control this disease for the rest of their lives.

Diabetes is more complicated and devastating than most people understand. There are so many variables in maintaining tight control of your blood sugar. I have gone through many tough times and lost my best friend at the age of 40 because of complications. This is why I am for stem cell research and the cure it could bring for these children....
(not to start a debate on that though), please.....