Question for all nautical downhill runers....tied or tide?

pdxharv · Post by **pdxharv** » September 19, 2006 11:12 am

Thought I would present this to the parrothead experts....
Walking through a marina the other evening, tunes were being played by the chiming of rigging hitting against the masts as boats swayed in the water. I commented this was the "hear the bells ring as the tied rigging sings" from SOASOAS. A friend said no, it is "tide" rigging. Sure enough, checking the lyric sheet on BN and margaritaville it reads "tide" rigging.
Googling tide rigging brought up no listing in any nautical dictionary. The only remote definition I could think of a tide rigging are the lines used to tie a boat to a dock with slack taken up by a piece of elastic to allow for the rise and ebb of the boat with the tide....but how would that sing?
I know, I know, not a big deal and I must have too much time on my hands, but do you think JB was thinking "tied" or "tide" when he wrote the lyrics?

PJ · Post by PJ » September 19, 2006 12:16 pm

I've heard it used before as a fishing term.

In fresh water fishing there are rig methods such as Carolina and Texas riggings for bass.

I believe that tide rigging is a method for fishing when the tide is in a heavy ebb or flow. Could the tide rigging singing be the sound of the line cutting through the water or of the line being stripped off the reel?

EDIT: Just found this on http://www.seafishingsupplies.co.uk/pro ... cts_id=415.

Cod downtide rig constructed using a sliding boom on 40lb main line and 15lb trace line with size 4/0 hook.
.................................................................................................................................

A rig designed for downtide fishing to help you avoid tangles when lowering your rig into a prolific 'tangle zone' such as a wreck. Also helps in slack tide conditions where the pull of the tide is insufficient to keep your line taut and the result can be very messy.

Vary the length of the tube to suit the length of trace you decide to use. The longer the trace, the longer the tube. Always use the beads between swivel and tube to prevent damage to the end of the tube from constant buffetting.

MacPhin · Post by **MacPhin** » September 19, 2006 12:45 pm

i think it's tied not tide. sailboat rigging sings when the wind kicks up just the least bit. plus you can't help thinking that with regards to the title of the song.

my bet, it's a type-o. of course what do i know, i'm just a fan.

chuck wagon · Post by **chuck wagon** » September 19, 2006 1:27 pm

I've never looked at the lyrics and have never been a sailor, but I always thought it was "the tight rigging". The wind would make a sound as it blows across the lines on the mast.

Just a land-locked perspective.

chippewa · Post by **chippewa** » September 19, 2006 1:35 pm

Margaritaville.com lists it as "tide". Does anyone have the original SOASOAS LP? If lyrics were included in the liner notes, that might be as close to the original source as you'll get. unless I bump into Jimmy at Meijer

SharkOnLand · Post by **SharkOnLand** » September 19, 2006 1:55 pm

It's all about the liner notes here....

scubamyk · Post by **scubamyk** » September 19, 2006 5:47 pm

chippewa wrote:Margaritaville.com lists it as "tide". Does anyone have the original SOASOAS LP? If lyrics were included in the liner notes, that might be as close to the original source as you'll get. unless I bump into Jimmy at Meijer

I do. I'll dig it out tonight when I get home. Of course someone will probably beat me to it, but I now want to know for myself.

SailorDan · Post by **SailorDan** » September 19, 2006 7:40 pm

It's "TIDE" When you anchor off you set the rigging for incomming and outgoing tides. When you have wind in one direction and tide in the other the rigging makes a cool sound. Plus that's how it's spelled in the lyrics of SOASOAS

Dutch Harbor PH · Post by **Dutch Harbor PH** » September 19, 2006 8:03 pm

pdxharv wrote:Thought I would present this to the parrothead experts....
Walking through a marina the other evening, tunes were being played by the chiming of rigging hitting against the masts as boats swayed in the water. I commented this was the "hear the bells ring as the tied rigging sings" from SOASOAS. A friend said no, it is "tide" rigging. Sure enough, checking the lyric sheet on BN and margaritaville it reads "tide" rigging.
Googling tide rigging brought up no listing in any nautical dictionary. The only remote definition I could think of a tide rigging are the lines used to tie a boat to a dock with slack taken up by a piece of elastic to allow for the rise and ebb of the boat with the tide....but how would that sing?
I know, I know, not a big deal and I must have too much time on my hands, but do you think JB was thinking "tied" or "tide" when he wrote the lyrics?

It's neither....it is "tight" rigging singing ..... further you are right there is no such thing as "tide" rigging.....You do not use "rigging" to secure a vessel....you use lines.....rigging is either "standing" (that which keeps masts and spars and the like in place or "running" (which is used to move and otherwise manuver the various sails and appendages of the vessel).
When securing a vessel to a non floating dock, you used spring lines to give and take slack as the boat moves up and down. If the tide is excessive then you need to adjust the lines so that you don't roll the boat over or snap lines or cleats.

BCDurbin · Post by **BCDurbin** » September 19, 2006 9:12 pm

PJ wrote:I've heard it used before as a fishing term.

In fresh water fishing there are rig methods such as Carolina and Texas riggings for bass.

I believe that tide rigging is a method for fishing when the tide is in a heavy ebb or flow. Could the tide rigging singing be the sound of the line cutting through the water or of the line being stripped off the reel?

A rig designed for downtide fishing to help you avoid tangles when lowering your rig into a prolific 'tangle zone' such as a wreck. Also helps in slack tide conditions where the pull of the tide is insufficient to keep your line taut and the result can be very messy.

Vary the length of the tube to suit the length of trace you decide to use. The longer the trace, the longer the tube. Always use the beads between swivel and tube to prevent damage to the end of the tube from constant buffetting.

It's not Son of a Son of a Fisherman!!

ScarletB · Post by **ScarletB** » September 20, 2006 6:59 am

It's tight, when the rigging is tight next to the mast it vibrates in the wind and makes that cool ringing sound.

pdxharv · Post by **pdxharv** » September 20, 2006 5:54 pm

I don't know...listened again to SOASOAS also Tue, Thu, Sat and even with the accent, tried to get "tight" out of the lyric....could be.
On the other hand, what true sailor says tight when the term is taut for a line with no slack. When the rigging is made fast to the mast cleats, in the wind the line and hardware clanks against the metal mast, making the bell ringing sound......(anyone have bubba's cell phone #?

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bravedave · Post by **bravedave** » September 20, 2006 9:52 pm

Sillies, it's the tide and the rigging... that's what makes it a chorus.

I have no clue, just muddying the waters here.

Dutch Harbor PH · Post by **Dutch Harbor PH** » September 21, 2006 2:53 am

pdxharv wrote:I don't know...listened again to SOASOAS also Tue, Thu, Sat and even with the accent, tried to get "tight" out of the lyric....could be.
On the other hand, what true sailor says tight when the term is taut for a line with no slack. When the rigging is made fast to the mast cleats, in the wind the line and hardware clanks against the metal mast, making the bell ringing sound......(anyone have bubba's cell phone #? )

Yes, Halyards "clank" on an aluminum mast and they "clunk" on a wooden mast but the Standing rigging (the stays in particular) sing and buzz and hum depending on the wind, the wind direction and the point of sail you are under.......rigging definatly "Sings"

RinglingRingling · Post by **RinglingRingling** » September 21, 2006 6:09 am

SharkOnLand wrote:It's all about the liner notes here....

the one time that kid with the liner note fetish could have put his obsession to good use..

pdxharv · Post by **pdxharv** » September 21, 2006 9:55 am

I'll buy that Dutch Harbor, the singing rigging hums and buzzes, but what's with the "hear the bells ring as the __?__ rigging sings".....bells humming and buzzing? Wouldn't bell sounds be more of a clank or clunk? Could be we are both right?
Maybe the rigging singing and the bells ringing together make up the "it's a son of a gun of a chorus"?
Or this just might be one of those "it is what you think it is" lyric and we just enjoy the music....

SharkOnLand · Post by **SharkOnLand** » September 21, 2006 10:54 am

pdxharv wrote:I'll buy that Dutch Harbor, the singing rigging hums and buzzes, but what's with the "hear the bells ring as the __?__ rigging sings".....bells humming and buzzing? Wouldn't bell sounds be more of a clank or clunk? Could be we are both right?
Maybe the rigging singing and the bells ringing together make up the "it's a son of a gun of a chorus"?
Or this just might be one of those "it is what you think it is" lyric and we just enjoy the music....

I think the lyrics refer to an actual bell ringing (most ships have a bell to call out time, whatnot), in addition to the rigging singing....

Ceol na Mara · Post by **Ceol na Mara** » September 21, 2006 12:33 pm

Wow! It's amazing how many ways there are to look at something!

I always thought it was the chorus of the bell buoy in the water (I never thought of the bell on the boat, but that's an excellent suggestion) with the ship's rigging. In googling, however, I found that the "tide rigging" may have something to do with the fishing hook/rod (whatever, I'm not a fisherman), and Jimmy is a fisherman.

Just some googled sites:
http://www.lighthousefoundation.org/alf ... og_hal.htm

http://marinews.com/knot_rigs_detail.php?recordid=62

pdxharv · Post by **pdxharv** » September 21, 2006 1:04 pm

Maybe someone who has the LP and a turntable can play the stanza backwards and decode the message for us....

...ooooh feel another flashback coming on, gotta go!

chippewa · Post by **chippewa** » September 21, 2006 1:12 pm

pdxharv wrote:Maybe someone who has the LP and a turntable can play the stanza backwards and decode the message for us.... ...ooooh feel another flashback coming on, gotta go!

Sounds something like "Utley is dead".

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