Help from someone in the Music Bidness

Bubbaphan · Post by **Bubbaphan** » October 10, 2006 12:26 pm

Maybe this will help...my boss wrote this...

http://arcastudios.com/audioresources.htm#license

I think it addresses corporate presentation use...

land_shark3 · Post by **land_shark3** » October 10, 2006 1:02 pm

So... anyone want to donate some music?

CrznDnUS1 · Post by **CrznDnUS1** » October 11, 2006 8:30 am

Ok, so here's a dumb question. What do the musicians have to do to play covers in a bar band? I know there are many cover bands how do they get by since they are making money from the songs.

SharkOnLand · Post by **SharkOnLand** » October 11, 2006 11:52 am

CrznDnUS1 wrote:Ok, so here's a dumb question. What do the musicians have to do to play covers in a bar band? I know there are many cover bands how do they get by since they are making money from the songs.

Technically, they should be paying royalties to the original songwriter/composer. However, copyright law usually isn't enforced in these cases, as the original copyright holder usually never finds out.

Mr Play · Post by **Mr Play** » October 11, 2006 12:04 pm

Drumkat told me I could use his music in our jet ski shows after I bought a couple of his cd's last year.
Your best bet is to buy a cd from one of our resident recording artists and get their permission to use it.

CrznDnUS1 · Post by **CrznDnUS1** » October 11, 2006 12:33 pm

So then all these JB cover bands such as A1A or the Land Sharks gets his permission to play his songs or pays royalties. I find that hard to beleive but it could be true. If that were the case does Jimmy pay Van Morrison or the Dead for covering thier songs? Or maybe they just dont care. I thought someone earlier mentioned some sort of loop hole for live performances as long as you give credit, but that sounds too easy, although Jimmy ALWAYS gives credit for songs he covers.

SharkOnLand · Post by **SharkOnLand** » October 11, 2006 12:57 pm

CrznDnUS1 wrote:So then all these JB cover bands such as A1A or the Land Sharks gets his permission to play his songs or pays royalties.

They should obtain a license. Like I said, it's not usually enforced, as the copyright holders aren't often aware of performances, and they'd have to bring lawsuits against each 'cover band'.

Big time performances like Jimmy's, he more than likely gets permission, or pays royalties to the copyright holders. Brown Eyed Girl, from what I remember, wasn't written by Van Morrison, so the royalties would be paid to the songwriter, not Van Morrison...

here's a little info: http://www.ascap.com/licensing/licensingfaq.html

Drumkat · Post by **Drumkat** » October 11, 2006 1:33 pm

Jimmy has a legal deptarment working for him. It's all done by the books at that level.

Yes ASCAP owns the publishing rights to 90% of everything you hear. They inturn pay royalties to the artist after taking their cut. HarryFox and a few similar agents own the rights to recorded media. Smaller unsigned bands or writers who have differnt publishers usually charge much less that $95 to cover and print 1000 CDs. Most I know do about $60.

Legally, if someone in a car next to you has a song playing real loud, it is not right for you to listen to it without paying for it, even on a raido. Strange....

CrznDnUS1 · Post by **CrznDnUS1** » October 11, 2006 1:38 pm

thanks that was helpful, but now i have another question. I went to the ASCAP site and did a search for something traditional like "John Herny" which I thought was public domain or so old that no one has rights to it and it found like 94 entries. How can someone own a song like that which no one knows who wrote it since it was passed down by mouth?

SharkOnLand · Post by **SharkOnLand** » October 11, 2006 1:50 pm

CrznDnUS1 wrote:thanks that was helpful, but now i have another question. I went to the ASCAP site and did a search for something traditional like "John Herny" which I thought was public domain or so old that no one has rights to it and it found like 94 entries. How can someone own a song like that which no one knows who wrote it since it was passed down by mouth?

Even if the actual song is public domain, an artist can own rights to a specific performance/recording of the song. Those entries are most likely to a specific recording of the song.

If you wanted to use the song yourself, you could record your own version without paying license fees. If you wanted to use a recording of the song, the artist who recorded it would be entitled to collect licensing fees.

CrznDnUS1 · Post by **CrznDnUS1** » October 11, 2006 1:57 pm

Drumkat wrote:Jimmy has a legal deptarment working for him. It's all done by the books at that level.

Yes ASCAP owns the publishing rights to 90% of everything you hear. They inturn pay royalties to the artist after taking their cut. HarryFox and a few similar agents own the rights to recorded media. Smaller unsigned bands or writers who have differnt publishers usually charge much less that $95 to cover and print 1000 CDs. Most I know do about $60.

Legally, if someone in a car next to you has a song playing real loud, it is not right for you to listen to it without paying for it, even on a raido. Strange....

So it looks to me the easiest way to protect a song you wrote is to join ASCAP, right? But I looked at their site and the is no fee shown. I mean l only wrote two songs so far but how is the best, easiest and cheapest way to copyright or protect it? It seems to me that if you join ASCAP you can get rights to play songs in public performances as well, but how much will that cost or is that all covered in your membership. Sorry if I sound ignorant to all of this. I mean I dont wanna spend hundreds to join and then have to pay hunderds more to protect, seeing as I will most likely never make any money singing them.

12vmanRick · Post by **12vmanRick** » October 11, 2006 2:09 pm

you have permission to use all of mine

CrznDnUS1 · Post by **CrznDnUS1** » October 11, 2006 2:39 pm

12vmanRick wrote:you have permission to use all of mine

thanks, my also have permission for mine (all two)

. Like I said it is a viscious bizz and I am not looking to make any money at it. Wasn't that mentioned in "Vampires, Mummies and the Holy Ghost"?

Drumkat · Post by **Drumkat** » October 12, 2006 9:33 am

yes, you can have permission to use the one song I've written, it's song #8 (Island Currents)...it will cost you 99¢ though, hope that dosent break your bank. It's actually my #1 selling song on my album, which boggles my mind everyday!

itunes....

CLICK HERE FOR ME!

RinglingRingling · Post by **RinglingRingling** » October 12, 2006 9:34 am

Drumkat wrote:Jimmy has a legal deptarment working for him. It's all done by the books at that level.

Yes ASCAP owns the publishing rights to 90% of everything you hear. They inturn pay royalties to the artist after taking their cut. HarryFox and a few similar agents own the rights to recorded media. Smaller unsigned bands or writers who have differnt publishers usually charge much less that $95 to cover and print 1000 CDs. Most I know do about $60.

Legally, if someone in a car next to you has a song playing real loud, it is not right for you to listen to it without paying for it, even on a raido. Strange....

I would say this one is hardest to enforce tho.