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Snowparrot wrote:The thing about poptops/ pop tabs we call them / being savable for charity is true, at least in Canada. We keep all the ones from pop cans --or whatever-- and the Girl Guides (Girl Scouts to you) sell them to a wholseale recylcler and they make wheelchairs, I believe.
Can't search for info right now, but definitely NOT a hoax, although I suppose it could be in some places.

I love the changing lyrics, too.

We used to make chains out of them in college.

I remember one live concert on RM where he inserted a different verse that started out, "My favorite topic / Is life in the tropics." Does anyone know the rest of the words to that one?

Thanks,

Loren

CrznDnUS1 wrote:So when did he put in the Salt, Salt, Salt part?

Somehow I think the fans were responsible for that...... for as long as I can recall we have been doing it at concerts....

CrznDnUS1 wrote:So when did he put in the Salt, Salt, Salt part?

Is it just me and my friends who sing, "salt, salt, where's the f***in salt?"

OystersandBeer wrote:

CrznDnUS1 wrote:So when did he put in the Salt, Salt, Salt part?

Is it just me and my friends who sing, "salt, salt, where's the f***in salt?"

I've only heard that in frat houses.

CrznDnUS1 wrote:So when did he put in the Salt, Salt, Salt part?

Anybody else remember a reference to Bob & Jeff?
(Maybe the inserted line was attributed to them)

cayman2 wrote:One interesting use I found for pop tops (the ring part) back in the day was that some of the vibrating beds back then in motel rooms thought they were quarters. With enough beer, my girfriend and I would vibrate all night.

That is classic. My buddies and i Friday night ritual use to be ask the parents if they wanted the car wash. Get the money, drive to the 'hand wash', use the pop top as a quarter and use the quarters for beer. That was in Ontario so in the winter we would close the bay doors, the windows would fog up and the party was on without the cops. Of course that was about 1975.
Oh well

For a relatively brief period to time a number of years ago, Jimmy said that the broke his leg "three" times and had to limp on back home....However, he never elaborated and soon went back to two times (if I remember correctly, due to snow skiing and softball incidents). I never understood the reference to three times.

Snowparrot wrote:The thing about poptops/ pop tabs we call them / being savable for charity is true, at least in Canada. We keep all the ones from pop cans --or whatever-- and the Girl Guides (Girl Scouts to you) sell them to a wholseale recylcler and they make wheelchairs, I believe.
Can't search for info right now, but definitely NOT a hoax, although I suppose it could be in some places.

I love the changing lyrics, too.

Well, everybody saves them here, and they ARE recyclable, but they're not any more valuable than the whole can. Everyone could do a lot more good collecting the cans than just the pop tab. Snopes says it's like throwing away 25 cents to collect 1 cent:

"A million pull tabs have a recycle value of just under $300 U.S. And that's before you factor in what it costs to collect, store, and transport them to a recycling center which will pay cash for them. When you consider the time and effort it takes to collect a million of anything, it's a wonder anyone would go to all that trouble for a mere $300. Far better to ask everyone you know for a penny in place of each pull tab they would have given you — at least then when you were done done collecting your million, you'd have $10,000 to donate to your charity.

"To put this in even clearer perspective, 100 pull tabs have a scrap metal value of 3¢.
...
"It needs be stressed yet again that pull tabs are far from "found money" — even the Ronald McDonald House gets only 40 cents a pound for them (or $474 per million tabs, according to their web page). You'd still do far more good organizing a local soda can recycling program and donating the proceeds of same to Ronald McDonald House (or any other charity).

"The Bottom Line: No charitable organization will pay out a premium (in cash, goods, or services) for pull tabs from aluminum cans. Some of them will indeed accept donations of pull tabs, but all they pay (or receive) in exchange for those tabs is their marginal value as scrap aluminum. Anyone gathering pull tabs for charity would do far better to collect whole cans; accumulating nothing but pull tabs is like eschewing quarters in order to collect pennies."

Here's the whole story, if anyone's interested: http://www.snopes.com/business/redeem/pulltabs.asp

"Donate it make your brown eyes blue?"

Snowparrot wrote:The thing about poptops/ pop tabs we call them / being savable for charity is true, at least in Canada. We keep all the ones from pop cans --or whatever-- and the Girl Guides (Girl Scouts to you) sell them to a wholseale recylcler and they make wheelchairs, I believe.
Can't search for info right now, but definitely NOT a hoax, although I suppose it could be in some places.

Oh, Snowparrot! I read farther and found the Canadian wheelchair reference... Here it is:

"Spring 1997 produced a poignant example of this madness in the form of a news story about a crippled child in a remote Canadian community and that community's good-hearted belief that if only they could save up eight million pull tabs, they could get her a much-needed wheelchair. The local community health center made a project of collecting these little bits of metal, and it was only after they'd gathered more than a million that they realized not only didn't they have a buyer for them, they also hadn't figured out how they were going to transport them from their town (roughly 2500 miles north of Montreal) to any place with a recycling plant:

"We just thought we needed eight million tabs," said Linda Tucktoo, who helped organize the drive and assumed there was a program to trade tabs for wheelchairs. "I didn't know it was so much trouble."

"Charity groups and the aluminium industry say they have been fighting misconceptions about collecting pop can tabs for years. "Unfortunately, it's one of those urban myths," said Denise Bekkema, executive director of Storefront for Volunteer Agencies in Yellowknife. "We actually get calls, probably about two a year, from people who have collected oodles and oodles of tabs from pop cans and then wanting to donate them to make wheelchairs. But there's actually no such program."

"This tale had a happy ending in that the Royal Canadian Legion arranged and paid for the transportation costs of getting all those pull tabs to a recycling centre, someone else donated a used wheelchair, Air Canada shipped the chair for free to the little girl, and a Canadian wheelchair manufacturer also offered to make a brand-new chair for her."

At the Charlotte concert this summer, a 10/11 year old girl had a sign made up that said
"Why don't we get lunch....at school?"
Jimmy sang that every verse except the very last. Pretty cool I thought.

re pop tabs:
Subject: Pull tabs no longer urban legend
Date: 5 Aug 92 15:24:32 GMT


Here's some new information on the idea of saving aluminum pull tabs to provide wheelchairs for kids. As you'll note, it grew from the old urban legend, and a fellow named Ray Pearse in Elora, Ontario decided to make it come true.

The story is from my Ottawa Sun Page Six column:

MORE ON THE PULL TAB LEGEND

We're getting closer to the origin of saving pull tabs from aluminum cans to provide wheelchairs. This all started when Robert Marc Gagnon wrote and asked if someone was collecting aluminum drink can tabs to provide wheelchairs.

Then, on July 22, Page Sixer Judy Charbonneau called to tell us about a fellow named Ray Pearse who is collecting the tabs.

Now, Don Hebert was kind enough to send along an article from ``Legion'' magazine which details the story of Ray Pearse and Jack Baumber of the Elora branch of the Royal Canadian Legion.

In the Legion magazine article by Kevin Swayze, Ray tells how it got started when he was a bartender at the Elora branch. He heard a rumor that a ten thousand tabs would be enough to buy a wheelchair. That's the famous urban legend that no one could pin down, and after he collected them he realized the story was a hoax. Instead of throwing them out, he contacted a scrap metal dealer who would take them for between 20 and 35 cents a pound, depending on the going rate for scrap aluminum.

Reached at the Elora Legion, Ray updates us with the fact that he's now selling the tabs directly to Alcan.

``I called Alcan here in Guelph and asked if I could bring in some aluminum tabs. The fellow told me no, not unless I had over a hundred pounds. I told him, `I got about a ton.' So, he told me to come right down. We weighed it and it was 1930 pounds. I got about 47 cents a pound.''

Ray borrowed a baby scale and figured out it takes about a thousand tabs to make a pound.

Here's the most amazing fact. Ray has collected about 80 million tabs over the past three years, and it's getting bigger as more people find out about it. He tells us, ``What used to take a year to collect now takes a month.''

Here in Ottawa the Girl Guides are collecting the tabs. Ray says ``Don't mail them, it'll cost you over $3 to send me 45 cents worth of tabs.''

But I don't get why they don't want to recycle the whole can. It would mean much much more money. Look at how little a tab is compared to the can.

1,000 tabs to make 45 cents. Think how much he'd have made if he'd recycled the whole can. Even bums on the street know the whole can is worth more than the tab. I just don't GET IT!!!

~~~ I know, I know, A new horse just died ~~~

CrznDnUS1 wrote:So when did he put in the Salt, Salt, Salt part?

I don't know where it came from, but it provided one of my best concert memories. In 2001 at Great Woods (9/1), the only time I've had seats in one of the front sections, we brought three signs that each said salt. I was sure that Jimmy saw them as he looked right at us and laughed. I was trying to convince my daughter that he noticed them a few seconds later when he looked back and sang "it's all you salt people's fault."

At an Atlanta show in 2003, he spontaneously changed words to Volcano when his guitar died during the song

Instead of:
Sulphur smoke up in the sky.
Pretty soon we learn to fly.

He sang:
Sulphur smoke up in the sky.
I think my blue guitar's french fried.

A stage tech then delivered a new guitar in the middle of the song.

griblets wrote:At an Atlanta show in 2003, he spontaneously changed words to Volcano when his guitar died during the song

Instead of:
Sulphur smoke up in the sky.
Pretty soon we learn to fly.

He sang:
Sulphur smoke up in the sky.
I think my guitar's french fried.

A stage tech then delivered a new guitar in the middle of the song.

Priceless ad lib!!!

Welcome to BN, griblets.

griblets wrote:At an Atlanta show in 2003, he spontaneously changed words to Volcano when his guitar died during the song

Instead of:
Sulphur smoke up in the sky.
Pretty soon we learn to fly.

He sang:
Sulphur smoke up in the sky.
I think my guitar's french fried.

A stage tech then delivered a new guitar in the middle of the song.

I saw something similar during A Pirate Looks at 40 at the 2004 Charlotte show. During that long break in between, "Just a few friends" and "I go for younger women," his guitar came unplugged. A roadie went flying down to where his cord was and ran up behind JB and plugged it up (reaching between JB's arms) as JB just kept playing. His guitar got powered back up right as JB hit the line about, "Lived with several awhile."

He didn't get a chance to ad-lib since he was on the very last verse, but it was pretty amazing to watch them take a bad situation and fix it so easily with little disturbance.

October 28 Las Vegas Show...Jimmy noticed kids in the audience and change the following lyrics:

I really do appreciate
the fact you're sitting here
Your voice sounds so wonderful but your face don't look too clear............................

WHY DON'T WE GET LUNCH IN SCHOOL!!!

Just finished reading this entire thread and I gotta ask. He is SOOOO good with the on the fly ad-lib and after studying his lyrics (and by reading his books I have discovered) what a talented writer he truly is.
This BEGS the question, what happened to the plain ol' Jimmy Buffett credit on his new stuff. If he is given a writing credit at all, it is always relegated to second or third position (meaning to me, he probably changed a lyric or two in studio session after the song was already written for him).
Songs like "The Captain and The Kid" and even "Far Side Of The World" are awesome and you can tell came straight from Jimmy's heart. We need more of that. I miss his writing. . . his lyrical writing - his beautiful way of painting a picture with his lyrics.

THe Salt Salt Salt part started from the live shows. I know Cincinnati had been doing quite awhile before JB actually started. I think it evolved as a play on JImmy singing Hang On Hang On. I know we used to have a pretty good line during Volcano that never seemed to take off anywhere else but Cincy.