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this argument seems vaguely familiar...did somebody invite jahfin back

ok how about Jethro Tull or the Moody Blues? I'm thinking they arent in yet. And who the hell is Chic?
And I think Jimmy will get in sometime. It will be awhile tho.

photogal wrote:ok how about Jethro Tull or the Moody Blues? I'm thinking they arent in yet. And who the hell is Chic?

Chic is a funk outfit headed up by reknowned producer Nile Rodgers. Tull and the Moody Blues aren't in yet. I don't think they've even been nominated. Same for Yes, Deep Purple, Warren Zevon and lots of others.

photogal wrote:And I think Jimmy will get in sometime. It will be awhile tho.

I don't think Buffett will ever get in because he simply doesn't meet the criteria required for induction.

photogal wrote:ok how about Jethro Tull or the Moody Blues? I'm thinking they arent in yet. And who the hell is Chic?
And I think Jimmy will get in sometime. It will be awhile tho.

You dont know Chic ?

The song Le Freak ?

Nile Rogers ? Tony Thompson ?

Hooray Beer! wrote:

photogal wrote:ok how about Jethro Tull or the Moody Blues? I'm thinking they arent in yet. And who the hell is Chic?
And I think Jimmy will get in sometime. It will be awhile tho.

You dont know Chic ?

The song Le Freak ?

Nile Rogers ? Tony Thompson ?

hhmmmm.......nope, not ringing any bells.
And before Tull, Yes, Moody Blues...what gives??
They should have the public pick someone each year.

Tiki Torches wrote:

12vmanRick wrote:

myke212 wrote:
I do have one question however....WHY HASN'T JIMMY BEEN INDUCTED YET??????????????

be patient, he will be

I'm a huge Parrothead but I just don't see it happening. His influence just hasn't been profound enough. He did induct the Eagles but that's probably as close to being inducted into the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame Buffett himself will ever get.

HIS INFLUENCE HASN'T BEEN PROFOUND ENOUGH?!? Dude, what are you smoking?!?

Tiki Torches wrote:

12vmanRick wrote:

LIPH wrote:If a $hitty band like The Ramones can get in, there's no reason why Jimmy shouldn't. He actually has talent.

can we also add that if ANY rap can get in to the ROCK AND ROLL Hall of fame, then so should Jimmy.

Why? I imagine Grandmaster Flash will get in because they influenced a lot of rock bands and used rock music as samples. Rock and rap merged via Aerosmith and Run DMC as well as Anthrax, Limp Bizkit and many others. Rap as a whole has been much more influential on rock n' roll than Jimmy Buffett.

The fact that Grandmaster Flash influenced or even encouraged Limp Bizkit should be enough to keep the doors shut.

flipflopgirl wrote:

Tiki Torches wrote:

12vmanRick wrote:

myke212 wrote:
I do have one question however....WHY HASN'T JIMMY BEEN INDUCTED YET??????????????

be patient, he will be

I'm a huge Parrothead but I just don't see it happening. His influence just hasn't been profound enough. He did induct the Eagles but that's probably as close to being inducted into the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame Buffett himself will ever get.

HIS INFLUENCE HASN'T BEEN PROFOUND ENOUGH?!? Dude, what are you smoking?!?

I believe he is talking about influence on other musicians. Unfortunately I can't come up with a "laundry list" of rock musicians that JB has influenced. I still believe that the argument, that Jimmy has been a profound influence on the music industry, and on music fans worldwide, is a valid one.

As to the whole "influenced" argument, I think it has run it's course. Earlier artists have paved the way via blues, jazz, reggae, country, etc. long ago. These days "influence" means trying to find as many bands as possible to imitate a sound (i.e. grunge) as fast as possible to make money.
VH should get in because they rocked. Eddie was a great player, band was solid, and they had "it'. To me that is what should have a band in hall, if they have "it". Maybe not enough artists have copied Jimmy, but he has a long, steady career, a lot of very good music and a lot of people who think he has "it".
Look up the list of those already inducted. There are some great artists, and some that make you wonder.

Indiana Jolly Mon wrote:As to the whole "influenced" argument, I think it has run it's course. Earlier artists have paved the way via blues, jazz, reggae, country, etc. long ago. These days "influence" means trying to find as many bands as possible to imitate a sound (i.e. grunge) as fast as possible to make money.
VH should get in because they rocked. Eddie was a great player, band was solid, and they had "it'. To me that is what should have a band in hall, if they have "it". Maybe not enough artists have copied Jimmy, but he has a long, steady career, a lot of very good music and a lot of people who think he has "it".
Look up the list of those already inducted. There are some great artists, and some that make you wonder.

Very well put!

If "influence" is one of the criteria, how did Tom Petty get in? The Byrds are the ones who did the influencing, not Petty.

Indiana Jolly Mon wrote:As to the whole "influenced" argument, I think it has run it's course. Earlier artists have paved the way via blues, jazz, reggae, country, etc. long ago. These days "influence" means trying to find as many bands as possible to imitate a sound (i.e. grunge) as fast as possible to make money.
VH should get in because they rocked. Eddie was a great player, band was solid, and they had "it'. To me that is what should have a band in hall, if they have "it". Maybe not enough artists have copied Jimmy, but he has a long, steady career, a lot of very good music and a lot of people who think he has "it".
Look up the list of those already inducted. There are some great artists, and some that make you wonder.

Influence is among the key criteria for being inducted so I don't see how discussion of that has "run it's course". As for people copying Buffett, so far that's all the majority of them have done. Copying isn't the same as making his influence your own, until that happens in a much bigger way then Buffett will most likely continue to reside on the sidelines. The fact that no one can name more than a few other well known artists he's influenced only reinforces that. I'd love to see Buffett in the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame more than anyone but he simply doesn't meet the criteria for induction. If he did, he would have at least been nominated years ago when he first became eligible.

Tiki Torches wrote:

Indiana Jolly Mon wrote:As to the whole "influenced" argument, I think it has run it's course. Earlier artists have paved the way via blues, jazz, reggae, country, etc. long ago. These days "influence" means trying to find as many bands as possible to imitate a sound (i.e. grunge) as fast as possible to make money.
VH should get in because they rocked. Eddie was a great player, band was solid, and they had "it'. To me that is what should have a band in hall, if they have "it". Maybe not enough artists have copied Jimmy, but he has a long, steady career, a lot of very good music and a lot of people who think he has "it".
Look up the list of those already inducted. There are some great artists, and some that make you wonder.

Influence is among the key criteria for being inducted so I don't see how discussion of that has "run it's course". As for people copying Buffett, so far that's all the majority of them have done. Copying isn't the same as making his influence your own, until that happens in a much bigger way then Buffett will most likely continue to reside on the sidelines. The fact that no one can name more than a few other well known artists he's influenced only reinforces that. I'd love to see Buffett in the Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame more than anyone but he simply doesn't meet the criteria for induction. If he did, he would have at least been nominated years ago when he first became eligible.

I think you misread my posts and what others are saying. I am not arguing that JB has influenced other artists or made significant contributions to keep rock and roll going as the criteria state. Maybe he has, maybe he hasnt, but how many artists in the past 25 years can you say that about?? VH was great, but what did they do that was different or influential? Guitar god? Sorry, Hendrix was first. Flashy front man? Been done. Hard rock? been done. Most artists today are "influenced" by many bands from the sixties to today, some good, some not. If you were to be an artist starting today, would you rather have JB's career or the Sex Pistols? Which has reached more fans and meant more to a larger audience? Not saying popularity means great, I am just asking.

Eddie Van Halen invented the "hammers on" technique that influenced generations of bands in Van Halen's wake.

I find it odd that KISS has not been inducted in the Hall of Fame and it was Gene Simmons that found VH to begin with. Probably half the bands in the RNRHOF probably have opened for them.

Tiki Torches wrote:Eddie Van Halen invented the "hammers on" technique that influenced generations of bands in Van Halen's wake.

Um, not to argue with you here, but I think Hendrix did this first. Listen to 'Little Wing' or 'Wind Cries Mary' and you will understand.

frankbama07 wrote:I find it odd that KISS has not been inducted in the Hall of Fame and it was Gene Simmons that found VH to begin with. Probably half the bands in the RNRHOF probably have opened for them.

Absolutely. Kiss launched many bands such as VH and Motley Crue that good or bad were pretty successful.

Indiana Jolly Mon wrote:

Tiki Torches wrote:Eddie Van Halen invented the "hammers on" technique that influenced generations of bands in Van Halen's wake.

Um, not to argue with you here, but I think Hendrix did this first. Listen to 'Little Wing' or 'Wind Cries Mary' and you will understand.

That may well be so but it's what Eddie Van Halen is best known for. Jazz bassist Stanley Clarke also employed a very similar technique but Van Halen was the first to bring it to a mass audience. The evidence is in nearly every hard rock/metal band that followed in their wake.

The fact is that Edward Van Halen is a genuine guitar icon. His approach is very unique, and in one way or another he influenced everyone that has picked up a guitar since.

Some wanted to be him, and others wanted to be the anti-EVH. Either way, he's an influence.

That said, there's no defending a lot of his behavior over the years. That's part of the reason they're not in the HOF already

DTinPA wrote:The fact is that Edward Van Halen is a genuine guitar icon. His approach is very unique, and in one way or another he influenced everyone that has picked up a guitar since.

Some wanted to be him, and others wanted to be the anti-EVH. Either way, he's an influence.

That said, there's no defending a lot of his behavior over the years. That's part of the reason they're not in the HOF already

Yeah, I think this is the first year they've been nominated but they've been eligible for a while. I believe their debut came out sometime in the late 70s.