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Wasn't the first Van Halen album released in 1977? Great album. And the last Van Halen album was almost just as good, 1984.

I think everyone is missing the point of why Jimmy probably won't get in to the Rock'N'Roll Hall Of Fame - Jimmy Buffett is not rock'n'roll. Which still explains nothing when held up to some other HOF acts/artists.

But then neither is Kiss. There's no Roll in any Kiss music. At least Jimmy can hold a note and doesn't need pyro to make people excited. I like Kiss but they are just boring boring boring. And noisy. Ha ha, I guess I don't like Kiss.

Is Led Zepp in the HOF? They shouldn't be, crooks that they were for their first 2 albums. Besides, the HOF has pretty much lost its meaning. You sell X amount of records, do so many tours, number 1 albums, blah blah blah. Hole in a bucket - Barry Manilow could get in to the HOF because of his amount of records sold. I doubt he's influenced anyone. Have the Bee Gees influenced anyone?

Could someone please point out any music artist that has been influenced by Jimmy Buffett? Do you mean in the way of someone has taken his sound and used it? I can't think of anyone JB has influenced. Would anyone count Garth Brooks' Two Pina Coladas? HA HA! I don't.

What, exactly, is the criteria for getting into the HOF?

JustDucky wrote:Wasn't the first Van Halen album released in 1977? Great album. And the last Van Halen album was almost just as good, 1984.

I think everyone is missing the point of why Jimmy probably won't get in to the Rock'N'Roll Hall Of Fame - Jimmy Buffett is not rock'n'roll. Which still explains nothing when held up to some other HOF acts/artists.

But then neither is Kiss. There's no Roll in any Kiss music. At least Jimmy can hold a note and doesn't need pyro to make people excited. I like Kiss but they are just boring boring boring. And noisy. Ha ha, I guess I don't like Kiss.

Is Led Zepp in the HOF? They shouldn't be, crooks that they were for their first 2 albums. Besides, the HOF has pretty much lost its meaning. You sell X amount of records, do so many tours, number 1 albums, blah blah blah. Hole in a bucket - Barry Manilow could get in to the HOF because of his amount of records sold. I doubt he's influenced anyone. Have the Bee Gees influenced anyone?

Could someone please point out any music artist that has been influenced by Jimmy Buffett? Do you mean in the way of someone has taken his sound and used it? I can't think of anyone JB has influenced. Would anyone count Garth Brooks' Two Pina Coladas? HA HA! I don't.

What, exactly, is the criteria for getting into the HOF?

Did you say that Led Zeppelin doesn't belong? While I agree that the RnR Hall of Fame is second only to MLB for absurdity, that statement is just ignorant. 'Crooks' on the first two albums? You know when I see people call your posts silly in other areas, I chuckle, but you clearly show you have no idea of what you speak here.

Do you not recall Led Zepp getting sued for ripping off Muddy Waters? They were quit blatant about taking blues songs and simply playing them somewhat different and then saying they wrote the songs. Did you not ever read Jimmy Page admitting they stole a bunch of songs?

That's what that's based on. Yeah, some things I say are silly and ignorant. Usually just to get people to respond. When I really don't know I say it. A lot of people are over the top serious.

I know it's silly to say LZ were crooks when you look at their entire catalog. It's just those first two albums. That kind of situation would not fly today. But they got nailed anyway.

Dude, Dave could be back..... not that I care.

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JustDucky wrote:Is Led Zepp in the HOF? They shouldn't be, crooks that they were for their first 2 albums.

Led Zeppelin settled out of court with the Waters estate so that they now see money from royalities. Check the songwriting credits for Bring It On Home from How the West Was Won for instance, they've been altered from what they were on Led Zeppelin II to now credit the original artist.

JustDucky wrote:Barry Manilow could get in to the HOF because of his amount of records sold.

Sales aren't part of the criteria for induction.

JustDucky wrote:What, exactly, is the criteria for getting into the HOF?

http://rockhall.com/hof/process.asp

Artists become eligible for induction 25 years after the release of their first record. Criteria include the influence and significance of the artist’s contributions to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll.

The Foundation’s nominating committee, composed of rock and roll historians, selects nominees each year in the Performer category. Ballots are then sent to an international voting body of about 1,000 rock experts. Those performers who receive the highest number of votes, and more than 50 percent of the vote, are inducted. The Foundation generally inducts five to seven performers each year.

Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame, no doubt about, oh wait, wrong hall...

FINSUPinIdaho wrote:Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame, no doubt about, oh wait, wrong hall...

He is in The WWE Hall of Fame

And they're in!!

http://music.msn.com/music/article.aspx ... 0&GT1=7702

Van Halen (Michael Anthony, Sammy Hagar, Alex Van Halen, Eddie Van Halen, David Lee Roth)

Maybe, now that VH are in the HOF, we'll get the glory of a VH box set!

What could there possibly be to put on a VH box set? I can't think of anything.

JustDucky wrote:What could there possibly be to put on a VH box set? I can't think of anything.

Something live from the Diamond Dave era would be nice.

myke212 wrote:

FINSUPinIdaho wrote:Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame, no doubt about, oh wait, wrong hall...

He is in The WWE Hall of Fame

sad but true....

pleiades97 wrote:this argument seems vaguely familiar...did somebody invite jahfin back

I was just reading the thread and thought the exact thing...LOL

Tiki Torches wrote:

JustDucky wrote:What could there possibly be to put on a VH box set? I can't think of anything.

Something live from the Diamond Dave era would be nice.

Unchained???

LIPH wrote:If a $hitty band like The Ramones can get in, there's no reason why Jimmy shouldn't. He actually has talent.

That is wrong on so many levels. The Ramones are one of the most important bands ever. Their influence reaches across rock and roll.

This was an interesting thread to read.

My gut leans towards supporting JB as a nominee. He revolutionized the business side of music and perfected branding in the industry. His ultimate contribution to the rock and roll canon musically might be negligible but the Grateful Dead didn't exactly release a ton of amazing albums. Both, however, changed the way we attend rock and roll concerts and created movements within the industry. If the Hall of Fame is a place to recognize the artists that have shaped rock and roll as an artistic enterprise, I think they belong.

Who has JB influenced? I'd like to think his laid back songwriting style has found a new generation in Jack Johnson, Donavon Frankenreiter, Matt Costa, and the like. Comparisons to Kenny Chesney and other Nashville products are merely reflections of a label mimicing something that worked. There's no substance in guys like Chesney though they have marketed the JB lifestyle to the NASCAR demographic quite well.

Van Halen not already being in the HoF is a shame. These guys were one of the most dominant rock and roll bands of the early 80's. DLR was one of the best frontmen to ever don the spandex and these guys could play! I hope this opens the door for Motley Crue who took it to new heights and made a few incredible albums.

Anyhoo, thanks to whomever started this thread. Good stuff.

cowboyjunkie wrote:If the Hall of Fame is a place to recognize the artists that have shaped rock and roll as an artistic enterprise, I think they belong.

...but it is not.

Tiki Torches wrote:

cowboyjunkie wrote:the Hall of Fame is a place to recognize the artists that have shaped rock and roll as an artistic enterprise, I think they belong.

...but it is not.

You left out the fact that cowboyjunkies sentence began with the word IF
I'm sure it was just an oversight

cowboyjunkie wrote:

LIPH wrote:If a $hitty band like The Ramones can get in, there's no reason why Jimmy shouldn't. He actually has talent.

That is wrong on so many levels. The Ramones are one of the most important bands ever. Their influence reaches across rock and roll.

Why is it wrong? I didn't say anything about their inflence, or lack thereof, on music. I said they were a $hitty band. No reasonably objective observer could argue with that statement, they didn't have an ounce of musical talent. Unfortunately, "talent" is not among the criteria for induction into the Rock Hall.

LIPH wrote:Unfortunately, "talent" is not among the criteria for induction into the Rock Hall.

Why should it be? I'm forever thankful for bands like the Ramones and Sex Pistols that helped wake rock n' roll up from it's peaceful slumber in the mid to late 1970s even if I'm not necessarily a fan of that type of music.

LIPH wrote:

cowboyjunkie wrote:

LIPH wrote:If a $hitty band like The Ramones can get in, there's no reason why Jimmy shouldn't. He actually has talent.

That is wrong on so many levels. The Ramones are one of the most important bands ever. Their influence reaches across rock and roll.

Why is it wrong? I didn't say anything about their inflence, or lack thereof, on music. I said they were a $hitty band. No reasonably objective observer could argue with that statement, they didn't have an ounce of musical talent. Unfortunately, "talent" is not among the criteria for induction into the Rock Hall.

I guess we have different ideas of talent. I see a band who took the 50's pop craft (i.e. Del Shannon) and applied a thick coat of distortion to create a musical movement that shaped rock and roll. Throw in a dose of social commentary on songs like "KKK Took My Baby Away" and you have a band that has to be recognized for their talent.

Someone with a large vocabulary is not necessarily a talented writer. Someone who can play every chord progression known to man is not necessarily a talented musician. In the end, what the artist creates determines if the artist is talented. Nobody is going to remember JB's simplistic chord progressions or song structures. It's the overall experience of hearing a song like "Banana Republics" that reveals the talent of JB.

Again, great thread. It really shows the variety of tastes that phlock to JB's music.