bravedave wrote:OK, as a left-leaning libertarian (I'm not a Democrat), I call on Sen. John Kerry to apologize to President Bush for insulting his intelligence and the failure of his administration.
(I still didn't hear him say anything about the military.)
Do you mean aside from his implication that those who are in Iraq did not study or do well in school?
My son graduated high school in 2005. Funny I told him basically the same thing. Stay in school, get good grades, further your education and do not join the military.
Interesting, graduated from college with BS in Accounting, minor in Psych. Commissioned as a 2Lt in the Army. Served through my Captaincy. Studying for my CPA. Am I uneducated?
You probably are smarter and better educated than Kerry or Bush.
So why are you letting McCain, Mcinnerney, and Rove think for you?
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bravedave wrote:OK, as a left-leaning libertarian (I'm not a Democrat), I call on Sen. John Kerry to apologize to President Bush for insulting his intelligence and the failure of his administration.
(I still didn't hear him say anything about the military.)
Do you mean aside from his implication that those who are in Iraq did not study or do well in school?
My son graduated high school in 2005. Funny I told him basically the same thing. Stay in school, get good grades, further your education and do not join the military.
Interesting, graduated from college with BS in Accounting, minor in Psych. Commissioned as a 2Lt in the Army. Served through my Captaincy. Studying for my CPA. Am I uneducated?
you are neither in Iraq, nor did you bail on school or your education. Thus, you don't have a dog in this one..
bravedave wrote:OK, as a left-leaning libertarian (I'm not a Democrat), I call on Sen. John Kerry to apologize to President Bush for insulting his intelligence and the failure of his administration.
(I still didn't hear him say anything about the military.)
Do you mean aside from his implication that those who are in Iraq did not study or do well in school?
My son graduated high school in 2005. Funny I told him basically the same thing. Stay in school, get good grades, further your education and do not join the military.
Interesting, graduated from college with BS in Accounting, minor in Psych. Commissioned as a 2Lt in the Army. Served through my Captaincy. Studying for my CPA. Am I uneducated?
did I say you were uneducated? did I even imply it?
I do not want my son in the military for many reasons. First I know my son and how he takes many things to heart. I know he could not handle killing people - period. That it would damage him mentally. I also have a problem with the way the VA handles it's medical benefits for veterans. It's shameful the way veteran health care is handled.
Well...(said in my best Bubba voice) I've been on sabbatical.
bravedave wrote:You probably are smarter and better educated than Kerry or Bush.
So why are you letting McCain, Mcinnerney, and Rove think for you?
I' m not letting them think for me. I am insulted by one blow hard and want an honets apology from him. I know I won't get it but that speaks as much about his character as the ability to let fly this "joke".
As far as better educated than those listed, perhaps so, perhaps not. But I am the average educated US military officer. Over 97% of officer's have a college degree. The other 3% is in the process of getting one. As opposed to just over 50% of the US population in general.
Enlisted soldiers, sailors airman and marines: The US military shows that 95% of them have a high school degree or equivalency as opposed to 81% of the general population.
green1 wrote:Enlisted soldiers, sailors airman and marines: The US military shows that 95% of them have a high school degree or equivalency as opposed to 81% of the general population.
Considering the fact that it's next to impossible to enlist without a high school diploma, that statistic doesn't really mean much.
The democrats are the biggest bunch of hypocrites of any time for ALL time.
They worship the ground Kerry walks on because he's a "war hero" by allegedly going to Vietnam, so therefore, he's more qualified than Bush, but yet, in 1992 they vote a REAL war hero out of office and replace him with someone who not only avoided military service, but goes to a foreign country and PROTESTS the actions of THIS country.
And they still love to s.u.c.k. his a$$ today, and will attempt to reward him by installing his b|tch of a "wife" as commander in chief.
green1 wrote:Enlisted soldiers, sailors airman and marines: The US military shows that 95% of them have a high school degree or equivalency as opposed to 81% of the general population.
Considering the fact that it's next to impossible to enlist without a high school diploma, that statistic doesn't really mean much.
Correct, I just put it in to show how stupid and insulting Kerry's "joke" was.
well, I guess you'll be downright flabbergasted next year when you see
investigations, subpoenas, and possibly, indictments follow this sad chapter in U.S. history.
I soooooooo wish it was possible for us to have political discussions without the tone getting so nasty.
That being said, here is my take (and, I will say that I am a liberal democrat who does cross over and vote for the best candidate rather than simply the party label).
I do think that Kerry's remarks can be interpreted in a number of ways, and certainly can readily see why some see it as an insult to our troops.
I do not think that was at all what Mr Kerry intended to mean at all---think about it. What possible purpose would it serve for a former candidate for President, and someone who served in the military, to insult out troops. Especially given how Viet Nam troops were treated when they returned. Especially one week before a very important and close election.
I think it was either a very poorly written and delivered attempt at sarcastic humor, or a slip of the tongue.
I am not a fan of Kerry's, but I just don't see that he could conceivaby think there would be an upside to insulting the troops, and truly believe that it was an ill advised attempt at insulting Bush.
That being said, I wish he had apologized right away, and then gone away!
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ejr wrote:I soooooooo wish it was possible for us to have political discussions without the tone getting so nasty.
That being said, here is my take (and, I will say that I am a liberal democrat who does cross over and vote for the best candidate rather than simply the party label).
I do think that Kerry's remarks can be interpreted in a number of ways, and certainly can readily see why some see it as an insult to our troops.
I do not think that was at all what Mr Kerry intended to mean at all---think about it. What possible purpose would it serve for a former candidate for President, and someone who served in the military, to insult out troops. Especially given how Viet Nam troops were treated when they returned. Especially one week before a very important and close election.
I think it was either a very poorly written and delivered attempt at sarcastic humor, or a slip of the tongue.
I am not a fan of Kerry's, but I just don't see that he could conceivaby think there would be an upside to insulting the troops, and truly believe that it was an ill advised attempt at insulting Bush.
That being said, I wish he had apologized right away, and then gone away!
Second the Motion!!!! my thoughts, exactly! No one with an open mind could imagine that it was intended that way...while its true that Mr Kerry seems to have an irresistable need to commit political suicide, you cant imagine it to be deliberate.
Unfortunately, the last thing we need just now is yet another Kerry flub....just gives the rabid right an excuse for some of the kinds of tirades to be found in this thread!! (and as this is my first political season on BN, i was saddened to find out some of the virilent political views of my pals here when they're sober....or maybe when they're not?)
ejr wrote:I soooooooo wish it was possible for us to have political discussions without the tone getting so nasty.
ditto
I do find it interesting how comments by Clinton and Kerry keep coming up for discussion in this election season.
Both these men are newsmakers, but neither one is much responsible for the quality of government during the last six years of Republican rule.
I think Kerry's comments have been given more media play and interpretation than they otherwise would warrant, because the Republicans know they're in trouble and are desperate for some political traction heading into the midterms.
Why else would both Cheney and Bush imply that a vote for the Democrats means "the terrorists win"? Those comments were calculated to spread fear among American voters. Don't these guys know any other way to try to win an election? Apparently not.
Why doesn't Kerry just STFU? The democratic candidates already have the anti-war votes locked up, the anti-war crap isn't going to attract any additional votes. Why don't they go out and talk about their new ideas to turn America back in the 'correct' direction? I'll vote for anyone if I agree with their platform. The disrespectful hate-bush only appeals to the radical left (who wouldn't vote republican anyway) the reasonable democrats (reagan-democrats) and the moderate republicans are the ones that determine the outcome of elections.
President Bush has 2 years left, even with a democratic supermajority in both houses impeachment is unlikely and even if an impeachment would occur, Dick Cheney would be president, even I don't like that. Let's go both parties and start discussing policy the name calling is getting really old. So is the scare 'em tactics on the other side. Talk about illegal immigration, taxes and domestic economic development (yeah I know boring), throw in the gay marriage thing if you want, just stop the disrespectful name calling.
Wino you know wrote:And they still love to s.u.c.k. his a$$ today, and will attempt to reward him by installing his b|tch of a "wife" as commander in chief.
Intentional mis-spelling does not take away from your chosen words. No matter how impassioned you are on this topic, you and everyone else needs to choose their words to adhere to BN's rules. You can get your point across without being so offensive about it, and I am asking for everyone to tone the language down.
Thank you!!
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ejr wrote:I soooooooo wish it was possible for us to have political discussions without the tone getting so nasty.
ditto
I do find it interesting how comments by Clinton and Kerry keep coming up for discussion in this election season.
Both these men are newsmakers, but neither one is much responsible for the quality of government during the last six years of Republican rule.
I think Kerry's comments have been given more media play and interpretation than they otherwise would warrant, because the Republicans know they're in trouble and are desperate for some political traction heading into the midterms.
Why else would both Cheney and Bush imply that a vote for the Democrats means "the terrorists win"? Those comments were calculated to spread fear among American voters. Don't these guys know any other way to try to win an election? Apparently not.
Come on now Flyboy, lets be honest, the nastiness is coming from both sides. Not only here, but everywhere. It seems political discussions can not be civil because the campaigns and the politicians on all sides can not be positive or civil. Very rarely is a political post on BN by either side one of "hey, this guy did a good thing..." it is alway, "X did this wrong".
My take on the Kerry thing is that he was insulting Bush, not the troops, but I find it ironic that in calling someone stupid, HE is the one who looked like a dumbass.
Truth, every party has positives and negatives, and any mistake is magnified by the thousands of media whores trying to get airtime. Wouldnt it be nice to vote in an election where there were two strong candidates? or for that matter, one.
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ejr wrote:I soooooooo wish it was possible for us to have political discussions without the tone getting so nasty.
That being said, here is my take (and, I will say that I am a liberal democrat who does cross over and vote for the best candidate rather than simply the party label).
I do think that Kerry's remarks can be interpreted in a number of ways, and certainly can readily see why some see it as an insult to our troops.
I do not think that was at all what Mr Kerry intended to mean at all---think about it. What possible purpose would it serve for a former candidate for President, and someone who served in the military, to insult out troops. Especially given how Viet Nam troops were treated when they returned. Especially one week before a very important and close election.
I think it was either a very poorly written and delivered attempt at sarcastic humor, or a slip of the tongue.
I am not a fan of Kerry's, but I just don't see that he could conceivaby think there would be an upside to insulting the troops, and truly believe that it was an ill advised attempt at insulting Bush.
That being said, I wish he had apologized right away, and then gone away!
He said what he said. Stop making excuses for him and trying to interpret what he said.
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A very simple apology would have eliminated ALL of the controversary..
however, in true Kerry form...WHAT? Me apologize...he assured us he'd not apologize about anything to anyone. He thinks he's beyond reproach...how arrogant of him.
his apology would mean nothing now...
Kerry is no hero and never has been...I wish he'd just go away...
When it goes from full to crescent...I move in and out of tune...Everlasting Moon....
"Of course I'm sorry about a botched joke. You think I love botched jokes?" Kerry said during an appearance Wednesday on Don Imus' nationally syndicated radio program. "I mean, you know, it's pretty stupid."
ejr wrote:I soooooooo wish it was possible for us to have political discussions without the tone getting so nasty.
Not you but it's IMPOSSIBLE when you have A S S H O L E S that use your name and statements to change to their own stupid political statements. IF some people would READ they'd realize some of us do not like BUSH and the Republicans as much as we do not like KERRY and the horrible Democrats. But at least Bush hasn't been on the record bashing the military since 1970 something!
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