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Clipped corner on album cover

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I am collecting all the vinyl albums, why do some of the albums have a Clipped corner on album cover??
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Re: Clipped corner on album cover

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Lasergod65 wrote:I am collecting all the vinyl albums, why do some of the albums have a Clipped corner on album cover??
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Same as when a CD case/booklet is drilled. It's like an overstock or something they couldn't sell and it's the way they mark it to identify that. Kinda like when a book is remaindered.
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I think it's called a "cut-out" although i'm not sure exactly why this is done
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Post by CrznDnUS1 »

myke212 wrote:I think it's called a "cut-out" although i'm not sure exactly why this is done
myke212 is correct. It's called a cut-out and was given out to radio stations and people in the industry. It was a promo from the record companies and was not supposed to be sold thus the marking of the album so it was well known. There is either a corner cut off or a hole in the corner so as to mark the cover but not damage the records. Back in the seventies they used to sell these illegaly at many college record stores and flea markets for like $1-$2 each. Occasionally the FBI would bust some of the people selling them but they always continued to be sold.
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Post by 12vmanRick »

CrznDnUS1 wrote:
myke212 wrote:I think it's called a "cut-out" although i'm not sure exactly why this is done
myke212 is correct. It's called a cut-out and was given out to radio stations and people in the industry. It was a promo from the record companies and was not supposed to be sold thus the marking of the album so it was well known. There is either a corner cut off or a hole in the corner so as to mark the cover but not damage the records. Back in the seventies they used to sell these illegaly at many college record stores and flea markets for like $1-$2 each. Occasionally the FBI would bust some of the people selling them but they always continued to be sold.
so you are calling it a cheap version of a promo where they just print a few like all others and cut them instead of printing one that says promo or advanced copy?
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12vmanRick wrote:
CrznDnUS1 wrote:
myke212 wrote:I think it's called a "cut-out" although i'm not sure exactly why this is done
myke212 is correct. It's called a cut-out and was given out to radio stations and people in the industry. It was a promo from the record companies and was not supposed to be sold thus the marking of the album so it was well known. There is either a corner cut off or a hole in the corner so as to mark the cover but not damage the records. Back in the seventies they used to sell these illegaly at many college record stores and flea markets for like $1-$2 each. Occasionally the FBI would bust some of the people selling them but they always continued to be sold.
so you are calling it a cheap version of a promo where they just print a few like all others and cut them instead of printing one that says promo or advanced copy?
basically, but it was the same vinyl or album just not intended for sale.
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Post by conched »

This is what I "think" about these clipped corners, cut-outs, or punch outs.

They denote overstock items were sold at a cheaper price and that when bought they could not be returned to the store and get a FULL price refund.

It has nothing to do with promotional material. These cut-outs are done to distinguish overstock material from clearance sales (at reduced prices) from normal trade editions that were sold full price. Just in case someone would buy piles of these cheap offers to put them back in the trade
for the regular price.


If you care to read about this, here is a web site with some healthy disagreement about the "damaged" goods. :wink:

http://www.soundtrackcollector.com/foru ... picid=7460
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Post by conched »

Here is another answer to add to the confusion.

G002 I have a record/CD/tape with a drill hole/notch cut in the cover.
Why are records/CDs/tapes "cut out"?

The short answer: items are "cut out" (physically damaged in some way)
to prevent record shops from returning them to the labels for credit.
Itmes are marked as cutouts by slicing a notch or drilling a hole in a
corner of the sleeve or jewel box.

The term "cutouts" generically refers to discontinued or overstock
items that were marked as cutouts by the record label, then sold in
bulk to a cutout distributor. The cutout distributor then sells them
(usually in "grab bag" form -- pay a flat price per unit, you don't get
to choose what you get) to record stores, who sell them on the cheap.
Artists don't get royalties on these sales, which is part of why they
can be let go for so little.

To confuse things slightly, some labels will mark promo releases in
the same way they mark cutouts -- by notching or drilling the case --
instead of using a "For Promotional Release Only" stamp or sticker. If
you run across a "cutout" of something that's been released in the
last couple of months, it's really a promo. Some promo CDs have a
hole punched (not drilled) in the UPC code on the tray insert, but leave
the jewel case intact. In general, ragged drill holes or slices mark
cutouts, and "clean" punch holes, clipped corners, etc. mark promos.


http://members.tripod.com/~Vinylville/faq-3.html
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Post by ragtopW »

also to keep promo copies given from Radio stations..

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from being sold.
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Post by CrznDnUS1 »

ragtopW wrote:also to keep promo copies given from Radio stations..

( the third Caller wins Elton Johns new Album!!!)


from being sold.
I seem to argree with Santa since I knew radio station staff who told us this. But who knows, all I know is I used to buy them for $1-$2 each and was all I could afford at the time.
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Post by ragtopW »

CrznDnUS1 wrote:
ragtopW wrote:also to keep promo copies given from Radio stations..

( the third Caller wins Elton Johns new Album!!!)


from being sold.
I seem to argree with Santa since I knew radio station staff who told us this. But who knows, all I know is I used to buy them for $1-$2 each and was all I could afford at the time.
yep.. what I also meant but did not say.. :oops:
was to keep people from trading in one of the promo
albums at a store for $ or another album
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Post by Cubbie Bear »

definately were more than just promo records back in the day. Every store had them. Of the 1500-1700 vinyls I had at one time, 1/3 of them were probably cut-outs, including Before The Salt from Barnaby
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Post by 12vmanRick »

conched wrote:Here is another answer to add to the confusion.

G002 I have a record/CD/tape with a drill hole/notch cut in the cover.
Why are records/CDs/tapes "cut out"?

The short answer: items are "cut out" (physically damaged in some way)
to prevent record shops from returning them to the labels for credit.
Itmes are marked as cutouts by slicing a notch or drilling a hole in a
corner of the sleeve or jewel box.

The term "cutouts" generically refers to discontinued or overstock
items that were marked as cutouts by the record label, then sold in
bulk to a cutout distributor. The cutout distributor then sells them
(usually in "grab bag" form -- pay a flat price per unit, you don't get
to choose what you get) to record stores, who sell them on the cheap.
Artists don't get royalties on these sales, which is part of why they
can be let go for so little.

To confuse things slightly, some labels will mark promo releases in
the same way they mark cutouts -- by notching or drilling the case --
instead of using a "For Promotional Release Only" stamp or sticker. If
you run across a "cutout" of something that's been released in the
last couple of months, it's really a promo. Some promo CDs have a
hole punched (not drilled) in the UPC code on the tray insert, but leave
the jewel case intact. In general, ragged drill holes or slices mark
cutouts, and "clean" punch holes, clipped corners, etc. mark promos.


http://members.tripod.com/~Vinylville/faq-3.html
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Post by JustDucky »

Basically what you have, with the clipped corner, is nothing different at all. Or it's junk. Why buy one that's been clipped? It's not worth anything more than one that's not clipped.
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Post by ragtopW »

JustDucky wrote:Basically what you have, with the clipped corner, is nothing different at all. Or it's junk. Why buy one that's been clipped? It's not worth anything more than one that's not clipped.
if the Record is OK it is still worth listening to.
also the Question may have been asked to know what to avoid in the future.
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ragtopW wrote:
JustDucky wrote:Basically what you have, with the clipped corner, is nothing different at all. Or it's junk. Why buy one that's been clipped? It's not worth anything more than one that's not clipped.
if the Record is OK it is still worth listening to.
also the Question may have been asked to know what to avoid in the future.
all of us have questions from time to time
and I for one am thankful to have my BN pirate crew to help
answer questions. We have an amazing wealth of knowledge
and resources here..
also if the liner notes are intact ,to some people that righht there
is worth more than gold.. then info and insight
are priceless..
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Post by CrznDnUS1 »

12vmanRick wrote:So I had it right
Pretty much, but I felt that I had to disagree with you just to keep the status quo. and not be shunned from BN.
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Post by Cubbie Bear »

JustDucky wrote: Why buy one that's been clipped?
In the 70's, because they were $1 instead of $4.99 and that was a big difference to a college kid.

Now, because finding any good vinyl and having the means to play it is rare
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Post by JustDucky »

What I was getting at and could and should have said was why buy one that's been clipped when you can get one that is not clipped.

But as you pointed out, the actual record might be or is in better condition than others, liner notes aren't bent/torn/etc...

So see there it is. No shunning, just curious.
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Post by LIPH »

ragtopW wrote:
ragtopW wrote:
JustDucky wrote:Basically what you have, with the clipped corner, is nothing different at all. Or it's junk. Why buy one that's been clipped? It's not worth anything more than one that's not clipped.
if the Record is OK it is still worth listening to.
also the Question may have been asked to know what to avoid in the future.
all of us have questions from time to time
and I for one am thankful to have my BN pirate crew to help
answer questions. We have an amazing wealth of knowledge
and resources here..
also if the liner notes are intact ,to some people that righht there
is worth more than gold..
But only if it includes the original artwork.
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