Baseball Hall of Fame

[TheSecretsInTheCrust]

5 - Tony Gwynn = Had the pleasure to watch his entire career and get to know him personally.

4 - Cal Ripken Jr. Class + durability = HOF

3 - Jim Rice = Most feared hitter of his day

2 - Lee Smith = #2 all time in what could be the most pressure packed job in baseball (Closer)

1 - Alan Trammell - His career stats compare to any SS in the HOF.

20 Seasons
games - 2293, BA - .285, OBP - .352, SLG - .415, R - 1235, H - 2365
RBI - 1003, 2B - 412, HR 185, .976 fielding %.

6-time all star (1980, 84, 85, 87, 88, 90), 4-time gold glove (1980, 81, 83, 84), 1984 World Series MVP

[job41475]

Yes: Ripkin, McGwire, Gywnn, Jim Rice, Bert Blyleven
No: Don Mattingly, Andre Dawson, (it's the hall of fame not the hall of very good) if these two get in then there should be 100 others who get in as well.

If you're stressing that it's the Hall of Fame not the very good then it's worth noting Donnie Baseball is way more famous than Bert Byleven and Jim Rice too. Shocking you would veto the yankee and put in the Red sox. Almost as suprising as me putting in the Yankee.



BTW, I'm fine with Byleven making the hall but Gossage has to make it there first. He was dominant and had a career 3.01 ERA as oppsoed to byleven 3.31. Again, shocking that BOR didn't vote for Goose though.....

[CaptainP]

• Bert Blyleven 3
• Tony Gwynn 4
• Mark McGwire 1
• Jack Morris 2
• Cal Ripken Jr. 5

[CaptainP]

http://www.baseball-reference.com/about ... of_monitor
http://www.baseball-reference.com/leade ... itor.shtml


Interesting system for determining HOF quality players. Based on an analysis of players already voted in, and their stats.

[TheSecretsInTheCrust]

Both players accomplished These achievements in the pre-steroids era when hitting 30 HR a year was a BIG deal.

JIM RICE Highlights:
named Most Feared hitter in the league (Sporting News)
One of league's dominating hitters for 12 years, from 1975-1986
Averaged .304, 29 HR, 106 RBIs during this period
4 - 200 hit seasons, 11 - 20 HR seasons, 8 - 100 RBI seasons
only player to get 200 hits / 35 HRs 3 consecutive years
6 times Top 5 in MVP voting, 1978 AL MVP
8 time all-star
8 time Top 10 slugging, including 5 times in Top 2
4 times league leader in Total Bases
Only AL player since 1937 to have 400+ bases in one season
,981 Fielding %
Career Totals:
16 seasons, 2,452 Hits, 382 HR, 1,451 RBI, 79 3B, 373 2B



Don Mattingly
Donald Arthur Mattingly (Donnie Baseball)
14 Seasons
games - 1785, AB - 7003, R - 1007, H - 2153, 2B - 442, 3B - 20
HR - 222, RBI - 1099, BA - .307, OB% - .352, SLG - .471, Field% - .996

6-time all star (1984, 85, 86, 87, 88, 89)
9-time gold glove (1985, 86, 87, 88, 89, 91, 92, 93, 94)
1985 AL MVP

[CaptainP]

The Mattingly arguement should end with the fact that he just wasn't dominant for a long enough period of time.

He BARELY cleared 2000 hits, BARELY cleared 200 HRs, BARELY cleared 1000 RBIs.

NOT HALL OF FAME NUMBERS!!!


Rice had nearly 2500 hits, nearly 400 HRs, and nearly 1500 RBIs. If he had cleared all these hurdles, he'd be in without a doubt. Since he fell short, it makes him borderline. I'd put him in, but I can understand why he isn't.

[CaptainP]

While I believe Gossage should be in, it's not fair to compare his ERA to Blyleven's. It's simple....closers have an advantage in that area over starters.

[job41475]

According to the HOF Monitor Donnie is more deserving than Robin Yount. Not sure I'd even agree with that but intersting thign for sure. For the Record, I'd have no rpoblem at all in Jim rice was elected. He has the credentials.

[CaptainP]

I already listed my top 5.

However, these are the ELIGIBLE players that I believe should be in:

Gwynn, Ripkin, McGwire, Rice, Smith, Gossage, Blyleven, Morris.

[TheSecretsInTheCrust]

While I believe Gossage should be in, it's not fair to compare his ERA to Blyleven's. It's simple....closers have an advantage in that area over starters.

I agree that Gossage belongs. If we voted for 10 like an actual HOF voter does, I'd include Goose (6) along with Blyleven (7), Dawson (8), Parker (9) and Garvey (10)

[job41475]

While I believe Gossage should be in, it's not fair to compare his ERA to Blyleven's. It's simple....closers have an advantage in that area over starters.

I understand what you are saying and nto that I don't agree but it's one fo the few stats that is atleast in the same ballpark ( pardon the pun) for relievers and starters. It's a per inning thing so the basis of comparison is the same.

[job41475]

The Mattingly arguement should end with the fact that he just wasn't dominant for a long enough period of time.

He BARELY cleared 2000 hits, BARELY cleared 200 HRs, BARELY cleared 1000 RBIs.

NOT HALL OF FAME NUMBERS!!!





Rice had nearly 2500 hits, nearly 400 HRs, and nearly 1500 RBIs. If he had cleared all these hurdles, he'd be in without a doubt. Since he fell short, it makes him borderline. I'd put him in, but I can understand why he isn't.

Hey i said I was biased. I think people forget though to be fair that defense is a part of it too. Highest career Fiedling percentage of any AL First basemen ever. Kind of like what you said about Rice, it's the same for Mattingly. I completely understand why he's not in but the Yankee in me fights it.

[CaptainP]

While I believe Gossage should be in, it's not fair to compare his ERA to Blyleven's. It's simple....closers have an advantage in that area over starters.

I understand what you are saying and nto that I don't agree but it's one fo the few stats that is atleast in the same ballpark ( pardon the pun) for relievers and starters. It's a per inning thing so the basis of comparison is the same.

The advantage for closers is that they only have to face hitters once per game, and that they are fresher than the hitters when they come in.

[job41475]

While I believe Gossage should be in, it's not fair to compare his ERA to Blyleven's. It's simple....closers have an advantage in that area over starters.

I understand what you are saying and nto that I don't agree but it's one fo the few stats that is atleast in the same ballpark ( pardon the pun) for relievers and starters. It's a per inning thing so the basis of comparison is the same.

The advantage for closers is that they only have to face hitters once per game, and that they are fresher than the hitters when they come in.

I know what you meant but sometimes relievers come in with guys on base which starters obviously never do. I know it's different but it's not like it's apples and oranges. Not that different. I'm fine with byleven getting in I just think Gossage should have been in already...


going to bed good night all

[Elrod]

• Cal Ripken Jr. 5
• Tony Gwynn 4
• Andre Dawson 3
• Rich Gossage 2
• Mark McGwire 1

[Tequila Revenge]

Can not offer a vote for Big Mac. How can you kiss the cheek of Mrs. Maris and tell her and her kids, what an honor it is to be associated with the great Roger Maris’s accomplishments especially KNOWING you cheated and were juiced to no end.

It’s a year too late, but I hope Buck O’Neil gets in.

[Cubbie Bear]

You cannot compare todays "Tony LaRussa-ized" closers with those of earlier times. Gossage, Sutter, Fingers and Smith to some extent would come in anytime from the seventh on and pitch two or three innings. Yes if I had said pick ten, Lee Smith and Goose would be #6 and 7.

[Cubbie Bear]

Before knee surgery Andre Dawson was the most complete five tool player I had seen since Clemente. After he got hurt, he was still an MVP. He was much more than "very good"

[CaptainP]

Can not offer a vote for Big Mac. How can you kiss the cheek of Mrs. Maris and tell her and her kids, what an honor it is to be associated with the great Roger Maris’s accomplishments especially KNOWING you cheated and were juiced to no end.

There's the sticking point, isn't it. McGwire was never proven to have taken anything ILLEGAL. Most of these guys haven't been. You can't put someone in jail without proof. "I think that guy did it. Lock him up." The fact is, the only substances he ever was proven to have taken were legal in baseball at the time. He stopped taking Andro after it was banned. Otherwise, you only have the accusation of Jose Canseco, and his weird St. Pats day testimony to go on. But remember how many HRs he hit when he was a skinny little rookie.

[TommyBahama]

1. Gwynn
2. Ripken Jr.
3. Rice................should of been in years ago
4. Gossage
5. McGwire.........did he or didn't he....i'm just going by #'s



other choices
Dale Murphy
Andre Dawson