Baseball Hall of Fame

[CaptainP]

Let Rose in, and Shoeless Joe too.

I agree. But I only listed active players.

[CaptainP]

Cubbie....I edited my picks on page 2 to include rankings. Sorry I missed that part.

[Wino you know]

Let Rose in, and Shoeless Joe too.

Either put those two in or take Cobb out!

[CaptainP]

Let Rose in, and Shoeless Joe too.

Either put those two in or take Cobb out!

I can understand why Rose isn't in. He was given a LIFETIME ban.

Shoeless Joe was also given a LIFETIME ban. Last time I checked, he'd been dead for 50 years. He should be in.

[Papa T]

Let Rose in, and Shoeless Joe too.

Either put those two in or take Cobb out!

I hear you there. Ty Cobb was a complete jerk. I watched a biography on him and he was a great player, but he was one of the trashiest people to ever play the game.

[CaptainP]

On a side note, there are people saying that Cal Ripkin will be the first UNANIMOUS selection. Won't happen. Too many crotchety old sports writers out there who think that they are more important than the game, and believe that nobody should ever go in unanimously, therefore NOT voting for the deserving.

Players who have received over 90% of the vote:

Tom Seaver 99%
Nolan Ryan 99%
Ty Cobb 98%
George Brett 98%
Hank Aaron 98%
Mike Schmidt 97%
Steve Carlton 96%
Johnny Bench 96%
Carl Yaztrimski 95%
Babe Ruth 95%
Honus Wagner 95%
Willie Mays 95%
Reggie Jackson 94%
Bob Feller 94%
Jim Palmer 93%
Roberto Clemente 93%
Stan Musial 93%
Ted Williams 93%
Wade Boggs 92%
Ozzie Smith 92%
Brooks Robinson 92%
Rod Carew 91%
Christy Matthewson 91%

Note some names missing from this list: Joe DiMaggio, Walter Johnson, Frank Robinson, Bob Gibson, Ernie Banks, Mickey Mantle, Warren Spahn, Yogi Berra, Sandy Koufax, Jackie Robinson, Jimmie Foxx, Mel Ott, Dizzy Dean, Rogers Hornsby, Nap Lagoie, Cy Young, Lou Gehrig.

NONE of them received 90% of the vote.

[drmutt]

Wow, I never knew that. How could the Babe not get 100%. And how could guys like Cy Young, Lou Gehrig, and Honus Wagner not even get 90%? I'd like to hear a legitimate reason why those electors voted no.

[CaptainP]

Wow, I never knew that. How could the Babe not get 100%. And how could guys like Cy Young, Lou Gehrig, and Honus Wagner not even get 90%? I'd like to hear a legitimate reason why those electors voted no.

Lou Gehrig is the only one I can really understand. Since the 5 year rule was waived in his case, some people may have thought that he wasn't worthy since he didn't have to wait like everyone else. Roberto Clemente is the only other player ever to have that rule waived.

[Lightning Bolt]

• Tony Gwynn 5 Mr. Padre... A hitting guru who was gonna hit .400 if not for the strike
• Cal Ripken Jr. 4 Solid workhorse
• Mark McGwire 3 A proven HR hitter from the start, but tainted by weak testimony. Wait til '08
• Rich Gossage 2 A truly fierce, fearsome weapon
• Bert Blyleven 1 So solid for so long

[Big Jimmy]

Wow, I never knew that. How could the Babe not get 100%. And how could guys like Cy Young, Lou Gehrig, and Honus Wagner not even get 90%? I'd like to hear a legitimate reason why those electors voted no.

Very Easy-- He played for New York. Lots of people (including me) hate New York, and will do what they can to see that they don't get everything they want.

I still want to know why Ron Santo is not in the HOF.

[ragtopW]

Yes: Ripkin, McGwire, Gywnn, Jim Rice, Bert Blyleven
No: Don Mattingly, Andre Dawson, (it's the hall of fame not the hall of very good) if these two get in then there should be 100 others who get in as well.

Sorry but it's the Hall of Fame.. Not the Hall of Stats..


it was started to list the players we should remember.

and Yeah I am going to say Jose gets a vote..


He was the first to 40-40 and most def. that should be remembered

[CaptainP]

Yes: Ripkin, McGwire, Gywnn, Jim Rice, Bert Blyleven
No: Don Mattingly, Andre Dawson, (it's the hall of fame not the hall of very good) if these two get in then there should be 100 others who get in as well.

Sorry but it's the Hall of Fame.. Not the Hall of Stats..


it was started to list the players we should remember.

and Yeah I am going to say Jose gets a vote..


He was the first to 40-40 and most def. that should be remembered

You could say that Jose Canseco is the most influential player of the last quarter-century. First, he was the big steroid-trafficker in baseball. He helped take it from some guys doing it to the prime-time. Then, with his book, he opened the current firestorm, which has led to increased testing, and eliminating the problem.

Plus, as Wayne said, his numbers were pretty damn good.

[ragtopW]

also I think that if a player starts for the most part of 12 or 15 years
no matter what his numbers are he goes in..





this is nothing to do with Canseco just a ramdom thought..

[CaptainP]

also I think that if a player starts for the most part of 12 or 15 years
no matter what his numbers are he goes in..

Such as Royce Clayton? (Picked as an example at random)

He's been a starter for 15+ years now.
Career numbers include 109 HRs, a .258 BA, and 229 steals.
He has also never won a gold glove, and has only been an all-star ONCE.
Never been on a team that made the World Series, only on 3 playoff teams.



Sorry, Wayne. It doesn't work.

[ragtopW]

also I think that if a player starts for the most part of 12 or 15 years
no matter what his numbers are he goes in..

Such as Royce Clayton? (Picked as an example at random)

He's been a starter for 15+ years now.
Career numbers include 109 HRs, a .258 BA, and 229 steals.
He has also never won a gold glove, and has only been an all-star ONCE.
Never been on a team that made the World Series, only on 3 playoff teams.



Sorry, Wayne. It doesn't work.

oh I have been told that more than once..

wasn't Royce on the Giants in 89??

[chippewa]

The Hall should be all "no-brainer's". If a guy's on the fence, then I say no. Baseball, for the most part, is a tough hall to get into, unlike some other sports.

[job41475]

Wow, I never knew that. How could the Babe not get 100%. And how could guys like Cy Young, Lou Gehrig, and Honus Wagner not even get 90%? I'd like to hear a legitimate reason why those electors voted no.

Yeah I guess Anti Yankee sentiment dates to back then too.......

[CaptainP]

also I think that if a player starts for the most part of 12 or 15 years
no matter what his numbers are he goes in..

Such as Royce Clayton? (Picked as an example at random)

He's been a starter for 15+ years now.
Career numbers include 109 HRs, a .258 BA, and 229 steals.
He has also never won a gold glove, and has only been an all-star ONCE.
Never been on a team that made the World Series, only on 3 playoff teams.



Sorry, Wayne. It doesn't work.

oh I have been told that more than once..

wasn't Royce on the Giants in 89??

Nope. He broke in back in 1991, became a starter mid-way through 1992.

[CaptainP]

Wow, I never knew that. How could the Babe not get 100%. And how could guys like Cy Young, Lou Gehrig, and Honus Wagner not even get 90%? I'd like to hear a legitimate reason why those electors voted no.

Yeah I guess Anti Yankee sentiment dates to back then too.......

Ted Williams got less than Babe Ruth

But then again, Babe was a lovable character, and Ted had a tendancy to be a Jacka$$.

[job41475]

The Hall should be all "no-brainer's". If a guy's on the fence, then I say no. Baseball, for the most part, is a tough hall to get into, unlike some other sports.

I agree. My Donnie baseball push was biased and was based in pure unadulterated plutonic man love of the guy....