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The Veterans Committee for the Baseball Hall Of Fame voted the other day and nobody got enough votes to be inducted. How can Marvin Miller, the former head of the players' union, not be in the Hall? Nobody had more impact on the game in the last 30 years than he did.

Ron Santo missed getting into the Hall of Fame by FIVE G.D. VOTES!!!


I think some of those bozos who do the voting need to be threatened with bodily harm if they don't get their heads out of their asses.

The 2007 Topps Jeter card has Mickey Mantle in the dugout and Pres. Bush in the stands, the story is someone Photoshopped them in there just before printing. I don't buy it, I think this was a hoax to get Topps a lot of ink just as the season is starting. They've said they'll fix the card before the second printing.

chippewa wrote:The 2007 Topps Jeter card has Mickey Mantle in the dugout and Pres. Bush in the stands, the story is someone Photoshopped them in there just before printing. I don't buy it, I think this was a hoax to get Topps a lot of ink just as the season is starting. They've said they'll fix the card before the second printing.

DAMN! Where can I get me one of those?

Wino you know wrote:

chippewa wrote:The 2007 Topps Jeter card has Mickey Mantle in the dugout and Pres. Bush in the stands, the story is someone Photoshopped them in there just before printing. I don't buy it, I think this was a hoax to get Topps a lot of ink just as the season is starting. They've said they'll fix the card before the second printing.

DAMN! Where can I get me one of those?

eBay

Thanks, Larry.

Bobby Jenks injured during his first spring outing....shoulder...

CaptainP wrote:Bobby Jenks injured during his first spring outing....shoulder...

It's early and he's young. Expect a full recovery.

BadHabitsAcctnt wrote:

CaptainP wrote:Bobby Jenks injured during his first spring outing....shoulder...

It's early and he's young. Expect a full recovery.

He's also traditionally been one of the worst conditioned players in the league. We'll see how his recovery goes.

Has Carl Pavano been injured again yet?

LIPH wrote:Has Carl Pavano been injured again yet?

Will you at least wait until he pitches? For crying out loud!!! He can't always get into off-field incidents!!!

He doesn't pitch from behind a screen during batting practice and he got hit in the foot by a line drive a few days ago, I was sure that would be good for at least 60 days on the DL.

CaptainP wrote:

BadHabitsAcctnt wrote:

CaptainP wrote:Bobby Jenks injured during his first spring outing....shoulder...

It's early and he's young. Expect a full recovery.

He's also traditionally been one of the worst conditioned players in the league. We'll see how his recovery goes.

He's just big boned.

Wino you know wrote:

chippewa wrote:The 2007 Topps Jeter card has Mickey Mantle in the dugout and Pres. Bush in the stands, the story is someone Photoshopped them in there just before printing. I don't buy it, I think this was a hoax to get Topps a lot of ink just as the season is starting. They've said they'll fix the card before the second printing.

DAMN! Where can I get me one of those?

Get one of what? An over the hill SS or a brainless president?

BottleofRum wrote:Get one of what? An over the hill SS or a brainless president?

Neither.
I was talking about Derek Jeter and President Bush. Two of the best at their profession.

Wooo Hooo, just got tixs ordered for the June 22-24 Braves/Tigers series. Can't wait

BottleofRum wrote:

Wino you know wrote:

chippewa wrote:The 2007 Topps Jeter card has Mickey Mantle in the dugout and Pres. Bush in the stands, the story is someone Photoshopped them in there just before printing. I don't buy it, I think this was a hoax to get Topps a lot of ink just as the season is starting. They've said they'll fix the card before the second printing.

DAMN! Where can I get me one of those?

Get one of what? An over the hill SS or a brainless president?

over the hill SS?

I didn't know batting .347 with over 200 hits, 14 HRs, 97 RBIs, 34 SB (out of 39 attempts), a .417 OBP, and only finishing 2nd in the AL MVP ballot while leading your team as the captain to their 12th straight postseason appearence and 9th straight division title meant you were over the hill.

I guess it's clear that it's much more preferable to have a SS that bats .255 with less than 100 hits, 9HRs, 50 RBIs, and had a .299 OBP as part of a team that finished in 3rd place in the division is MUCH more desirable.




C'mon that was too easy.

Wino you know wrote:Ron Santo missed getting into the Hall of Fame by FIVE G.D. VOTES!!!


I think some of those bozos who do the voting need to be threatened with bodily harm if they don't get their heads out of their asses.

I realize I'm gonna set off a firestorm here,
but if you try to look at this objectively...

Please tell me how do you vote in a player who won 0 MVP's...
helped lead his team to 0 pennants or division titles...
didn't win a league home run title
and didn't hit 350 home runs when one of his contemporaries (Henry Aaron) hit over 700?
I always thought the power hitter's over/under for HOF consideration was 400 HR's...

I remember Santo, and he was a rock, ...very solid...but I also think, for HOF worthiness, you really have to consider how much a player's success
also contributed to team success, and while he was a city's favorite and a sentimental favorite... he's just not making the HOF cut.

Lightning Bolt wrote:

Wino you know wrote:Ron Santo missed getting into the Hall of Fame by FIVE G.D. VOTES!!!


I think some of those bozos who do the voting need to be threatened with bodily harm if they don't get their heads out of their asses.

I realize I'm gonna set off a firestorm here,
but if you try to look at this objectively...

Please tell me how do you vote in a player who won 0 MVP's...
helped lead his team to 0 pennants or division titles...
didn't win a league home run title
and didn't hit 350 home runs when one of his contemporaries (Henry Aaron) hit over 700?
I always thought the power hitter's over/under for HOF consideration was 400 HR's...

I remember Santo, and he was a rock, ...very solid...but I also think, for HOF worthiness, you really have to consider how much a player's success
also contributed to team success, and while he was a city's favorite and a sentimental favorite... he's just not making the HOF cut.

Compare hum to other 3B's through history...especially his own era. He stands out.


9 time all-star in 14 seasons.
5 gold gloves.
top ten in MVP vote 4 times
averaged 25 HR per season as a 3B
4th most HR by a 3B all-time

No division titles...No divisions. (til '69) One team from each league made the post season. No sub .500 "Wildcards" to be seen. To me the 50's and the 60's are the golden age of baseball. When you look at even the bad teams of Santo's era, they certainly would be contenders in todays watered down world. Every day Santo faced a starter that would be a #1 in the post expansion fluff that is baseball today. Every team had unbelievalbe talents, go back and look at the Cardinal with Gibson et al, Giants with Mays McCovey marachel etc, The Kolfax Drysdale Dodgers, the Clemente Stargell Pirates, the Reds with Robinson and Pappas and later the beginning of the Big Red Machine and even the Mets had the seed of a team that went from expansion to Champions in what,? 7 years.

Third base is probabley the most under represent position in the HOF. Only ten full time 3b's are in the Hall. Take away deserving, but expansion era Schmidt, Brett, Boggs and the pre-1920 players like Home Run Baker (96 HR's btw) Pie Traynor etc and you have Ron Competeing against 40-60's contemporaries of Matthews, Robinson and Kell. He compares and belongs right with them.

Am I biased, Hell yes. But I have almost 200 1960-75 Wrigley Field ticket stubs believe me, I studied the third basemen of the day. Ron was elite. But don't take my word, from my 12 years in baseball I made a pretty good friend, a guy named Brooks Robinson. We met many times at winter meetings, banquets and All Star games. The subject of the game of the 60's vs today was often our conversation and yes, I brought up Santo many times. "Son" Brooks said one night in Cedar Rapids, "If I'm there, Ronnie should be, He was every bit the fielder I was and he had a better bat" later he added, "The difference between me and Ron was the 70 world series and Curt Gowdy. Gowdy made me a star."

Another good friend of mine was Jimmy Lefebvre, he didn't particularly like Santo (heel clicking) but said to me, "He was the best third baseman I played against, period"

When you look at the numbers vs the competion as Steve Stone said yesterday, "Not only should Santo be in the Hall, it never should have waited until the veterans committee, the writers hould have done it years ago"

Brooks Robinson
Batting:21 yrs
Runs,1232 Hits, 2848, 2B 482 3B, 2848 HR,268 RBI, 1357BB 866 SO, 990 Av .267 OBP, .322 SLG, .401

Fielding:
Games, 2870 PO, 2670 Asst 6205, Er 263 F Pct. .971

Eddie Matthews
Batting, 16 years
Runs, 1509 Hits, 2315 2b, 354 3b, 72 HR 512 RBI, 1443 BB 1444 SO, 1487
Av., .271 OBP, .376 SLG. .409

Fielding
Games, 2181 PO 2049 Asst, 4322 ER, 393 F Pct .956

Ron Santo

Batting: 15 years

Runs, 1138 Hits, 2254 2b 305 3b 67 HR 342 RBI 1331 BB 1108 SO, 1343
AV, .277 OBP, .372 SLG .464

Fielding
Games, 2130 PO, 1955 Asst, 4581 ER 317 F Pct .954

Apples to Apples, he is right there with the two best I ever saw in that era