2007 Baseball Thread

[drunkpirate66]

gave up sh it to get sh it.

I'm not disagreeing, but at least people have HEARD of the sh it the Cubs gave up.

Then, again, I suppose there was a time when nobody had yet heard of Joe DiMaggio.

CUBS AQUIRE NEXT JOE DIMAGGIO FROM TIGERS IN STEAL OF A DEAL!

If it matters Omar Infante was considered a pretty above average minor leaguer who has a ton of upside at his age . . . and he is proven defensively at every infield position other than catcher.

[LIPH]

Braun had a great offensive season but when did defense become so unimportant? His fielding percentage was .895 and he made 26 errors, that's awful. Tulowitzki's fielding percentage was .987 at a more difficult position. just playing devil's advocate, I have no rooting interest for either player

D is not unimportant. But in cases like this, Defense has always been the deciding "swing" factor in an already close vote.

In this case, Braun had a BA that was 33 points higher, hit 10 more homers, same number of RBI, nearly as many runs scored, and stole 8 more bases....in 60 FEWER GAMES!!!

And there are those that would argue that 3B is just as difficult defensively as SS, since the ball gets there much faster, AND the throw to 1st is longer...

But Tulowitzki had over 800 chances and made only 11 errors. Braun only had 220 chances and made 26 errors. Projected over a full season, not just the 112 games he played at 3rd base this season, that's almost 40 errors. That's pathetic.

[TommyBahama]

Braun had a great offensive season but when did defense become so unimportant? His fielding percentage was .895 and he made 26 errors, that's awful. Tulowitzki's fielding percentage was .987 at a more difficult position. just playing devil's advocate, I have no rooting interest for either player

D is not unimportant. But in cases like this, Defense has always been the deciding "swing" factor in an already close vote.

In this case, Braun had a BA that was 33 points higher, hit 10 more homers, same number of RBI, nearly as many runs scored, and stole 8 more bases....in 60 FEWER GAMES!!!

And there are those that would argue that 3B is just as difficult defensively as SS, since the ball gets there much faster, AND the throw to 1st is longer...

But Tulowitzki had over 800 chances and made only 11 errors. Braun only had 220 chances and made 26 errors. Projected over a full season, not just the 112 games he played at 3rd base this season, that's almost 40 errors. That's pathetic.

what makes them different is 3rd base is a reaction position and usually the ball is hit a lot harder a lot longer throw....so the chances to make errors are greater....short stop you get more chances....but depending on your range you wont get to a lot of balls to make a error....also usually the chances for a short stop are a lot easier to handle!!.....speaking from playing both positions i found SS a bit easier!!!

[SMLCHNG]

what makes them different is 3rd base is a reaction position and usually the ball is hit a lot harder a lot longer throw....so the chances to make errors are greater....short stop you get more chances....but depending on your range you wont get to a lot of balls to make a error....also usually the chances for a short stop are a lot easier to handle!!.....speaking from playing both positions i found SS a bit easier!!!

While I understand your point of view, Tom? I still agree with Larry.

An error is an error no matter what position you're playing, IMHO.

[drunkpirate66]

Braun had a great offensive season but when did defense become so unimportant? His fielding percentage was .895 and he made 26 errors, that's awful. Tulowitzki's fielding percentage was .987 at a more difficult position. just playing devil's advocate, I have no rooting interest for either player

D is not unimportant. But in cases like this, Defense has always been the deciding "swing" factor in an already close vote.

In this case, Braun had a BA that was 33 points higher, hit 10 more homers, same number of RBI, nearly as many runs scored, and stole 8 more bases....in 60 FEWER GAMES!!!

And there are those that would argue that 3B is just as difficult defensively as SS, since the ball gets there much faster, AND the throw to 1st is longer...

But Tulowitzki had over 800 chances and made only 11 errors. Braun only had 220 chances and made 26 errors. Projected over a full season, not just the 112 games he played at 3rd base this season, that's almost 40 errors. That's pathetic.

what makes them different is 3rd base is a reaction position and usually the ball is hit a lot harder a lot longer throw....so the chances to make errors are greater....short stop you get more chances....but depending on your range you wont get to a lot of balls to make a error....also usually the chances for a short stop are a lot easier to handle!!.....speaking from playing both positions i found SS a bit easier!!!

I played Division 2 college baseball . . . SS is way more difficult than first. My humble opinion. However, I was a mediocre pitcher lucky to be left handed (if I were a righty I wouldn't have made it . . .) so my opinon is just based on being out there with the guys who play. Both very difficult positions but ss is simply way more difficult.

[TommyBahama]

I played Division 2 college baseball . . . SS is way more difficult than first. My humble opinion. However, I was a mediocre pitcher lucky to be left handed (if I were a righty I wouldn't have made it . . .) so my opinon is just based on being out there with the guys who play. Both very difficult positions but ss is simply way more difficult.

3rd or 1st!!!....i'm talking as far as making errors.....you can give up on a ball and it will be a hit!!...3rd usually the ball is hit at you and pretty hard!!!.....as for the overall position yes i agree because you need to have a lot more range!!

[CaptainP]

gave up sh it to get sh it.

I'm not disagreeing, but at least people have HEARD of the sh it the Cubs gave up.

Then, again, I suppose there was a time when nobody had yet heard of Joe DiMaggio.

CUBS AQUIRE NEXT JOE DIMAGGIO FROM TIGERS IN STEAL OF A DEAL!

How do you think Astros fans felt when they gave up Larry Anderson, who they had heard of, for some unknown piece of crap named Jeff Bagwell?


And the Braves fans must've been p*** when they gave up Doyle Alexander for some minor-league nobody named John Smoltz...

[BottleofRum]

Yankees resign Posada.
According the the NY Daily News

4Y $52M

He is 36 year's old.

Jorge Posada, the 36-year-old free agent catcher, will remain a Yankee, sources familiar with the negotiations told the Daily News Monday night.

After being schmoozed by Mets general manager Omar Minaya Monday afternoon during a lengthy lunch at Le Cirque, Posada and his agents finally received the offer from the Yankees they had been hoping for all along.

The Yankees offered Posada a four-year, $52 million contract - the same deal they gave both Johnny Damon and Hideki Matsui two years ago - to remain in pinstripes. The deal will become official pending a physicial and final contract language being ironed out.

In a lunch meeting with Brian Cashman on Friday, Posada and his wife, Laura, made it clear to the Yankees' GM that they were seeking a four-year contract.

Cashman had been holding firm to the team's original three-year, $40 million offer throughout the negotiations, but after mulling over the issue this weekend, Cashman, Hank and Hal Steinbrenner agreed during a morning conference call yesterday that they would give Posada the fourth year.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseb ... nkees.html

[CaptainP]

Yankees resign Posada.
According the the NY Daily News

4Y $52M

He is 36 year's old.

Jorge Posada, the 36-year-old free agent catcher, will remain a Yankee, sources familiar with the negotiations told the Daily News Monday night.

After being schmoozed by Mets general manager Omar Minaya Monday afternoon during a lengthy lunch at Le Cirque, Posada and his agents finally received the offer from the Yankees they had been hoping for all along.

The Yankees offered Posada a four-year, $52 million contract - the same deal they gave both Johnny Damon and Hideki Matsui two years ago - to remain in pinstripes. The deal will become official pending a physicial and final contract language being ironed out.

In a lunch meeting with Brian Cashman on Friday, Posada and his wife, Laura, made it clear to the Yankees' GM that they were seeking a four-year contract.

Cashman had been holding firm to the team's original three-year, $40 million offer throughout the negotiations, but after mulling over the issue this weekend, Cashman, Hank and Hal Steinbrenner agreed during a morning conference call yesterday that they would give Posada the fourth year.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseb ... nkees.html

Ah, good for him.

He really fits their team concept. Highest payroll, highest average age....

[chippewa]

Jones was a nice get to play LF for Detroit. Guess they weren't going to be happy with a Thames/Perez platoon. Infante can hit a fastball like nobody's business, and was a good backup infielder, but I don't think he's much more than that.

I'm more worried now that the Tigers resigned Todd Jones. They hardly had a choice once Zumaya got hurt, but come on. This guy brings a gas can to the mound with him.

[SMLCHNG]

Yankees resign Posada.
According the the NY Daily News
4Y $52M
He is 36 year's old.

[Wino you know]

How do you think Astros fans felt when they gave up Larry Anderson, who they had heard of, for some unknown piece of crap named Jeff Bagwell?


And the Braves fans must've been p*** when they gave up Doyle Alexander for some minor-league nobody named John Smoltz...

IF this Omar Mynammar Whatever-his-name-is character becomes 1/10th the player Jeff Bagwell or John Smoltz became, I'll shut up and eat crow.

Fair enough?

[chippewa]

Yankees resign Posada.
According the the NY Daily News
4Y $52M
He is 36 year's old.

$13M a year for a 40-yr-old catcher? Hmmmmmmm

[BottleofRum]

Red Sox and Mike Lowell broke off negations at 11pm tonight after not coming to an agreement. Lowell will now be free to talk with any team about money and sign with any teams.

The Sox last best offer way more than they wanted to pay but did go up to 3Y $42M . Lowell was looking for a 4 year deal in the $52-$56M range.

Lowell is all but gone now. LA, NY, Philly are all going to swoop in and give him 4 years.

Both sides agreed there's still room for an agreement to be reached and they'll continue to stay in touch. Lowell will now be able to determine whether there's a four-year market out there for his services. Indications are that the Sox would not move off three years. Can't blame the Red Sox, 4 years is a long commitment for a guy who had his best year in a contract year and yoou can't blame Lowell, he had to get the best deal he can.


--means, Lowell is gone. If they wanted him his price was right. They want ARod, it is looking more and more like we will be ushering in the
ARod Era soon. Don't be suprised to see ARod meeting with the Sox this week.

[BottleofRum]

Here is a fantasy game, say ARod comes to the Red Sox , make out your starting lineup? Remember Ortiz and Manny have been locked in for a while at the 3-4 spot.

ARod second or 5th? I say 2nd.

Ellsbury
AROD
Ortiz
Manny
Drew
Youklis
Tek
Pedoria
Lugo

[chippewa]

Here is a fantasy game, say ARod comes to the Red Sox , make out your starting lineup? Remember Ortiz and Manny have been locked in for a while at the 3-4 spot.

ARod second or 5th? I say 2nd.

Ellsbury
AROD
Ortiz
Manny
Drew
Youklis
Tek
Pedoria
Lugo

5th. Till October, then 8th.

[aeroparrot]

--means, Lowell is gone. If they wanted him his price was right. They want ARod, it is looking more and more like we will be ushering in the
ARod Era soon. Don't be suprised to see ARod meeting with the Sox this week.

So, in other words, we won't win another World Series any time soon, if A-Rod comes here.

[Wino you know]

So, in other words, we won't win another World Series any time soon, if A-Rod comes here.

YOU won't, but the Red Sox might.

[TommyBahama]

Here is a fantasy game, say ARod comes to the Red Sox , make out your starting lineup? Remember Ortiz and Manny have been locked in for a while at the 3-4 spot.

ARod second or 5th? I say 2nd.

Ellsbury
AROD
Ortiz
Manny
Drew
Youklis
Tek
Pedoria
Lugo

i like a guy that can hit behind the runner and being able to bunt hitting 2nd....Youk or Drew would be my choice

[PJ]

Here is a fantasy game, say ARod comes to the Red Sox , make out your starting lineup? Remember Ortiz and Manny have been locked in for a while at the 3-4 spot.

ARod second or 5th? I say 2nd.

Ellsbury
AROD
Ortiz
Manny
Drew
Youklis
Tek
Pedoria
Lugo

5th. Till October, then 8th.

Better yet, 5th during the regular season, then when October rolls around, put the pitcher in the 9th spot and let the DH have ARod's spot in the lineup.