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parrothead338 wrote:No team is perfect (Patriots included) and dancing at midfield was not the best way to celebrate that victory. But the ordasity to equate a couple of players' postgame spontaneous celbration to an entire organization ("from top to bottom") being classless just bugs me.

I didn't see the end of the game because I had already turned to Fox to watch 24, but every article I read about this incident said the Patriots were mimicing Merriman's sack dance. If that's true I don't think an objective observer could say it was a "spontaneous celebration". Several of the articles also said some of the Patriots players were pointing at the scoreboard and giving the choke sign. That's a real sportsmanlike reaction to winning a game and a respectful way to treat an opponent.

As for the Patriots being classless, look no further than the head coach. The way Belichick treated Eric Mangini after he left to take the Jets' head coaching job was anything but classy. After the Jets beat the Patriots in the regular season and Mangini walked to midfield for the traditional post-game handshake, Belichick barely acknowledged his presence. Can you say sore loser? Then after the Patriots beat the Jets in the first round of the playoffs, Belichick couldn't get to Mangini to hug him fast enough. What a phony.

BottleofRum wrote:Let me see if I understand LT, he whines that the Patriots are allegedly mimicking a steroid caught 4 game suspension cheater Shaun Memirman dance and gets p*** off and complains and cries after the game.

Umm Ok, LT .......pack up your things, you lost, time for you to go home and cry alone. See you in September, if you want to go to the Super Bowl call Ticketmaster.

they still sell tickets to the Superbowl? I thought those were all just awards to the corporate slugs and the average fan had to deal with a scalper?

LIPH wrote:

parrothead338 wrote:No team is perfect (Patriots included) and dancing at midfield was not the best way to celebrate that victory. But the ordasity to equate a couple of players' postgame spontaneous celbration to an entire organization ("from top to bottom") being classless just bugs me.

I didn't see the end of the game because I had already turned to Fox to watch 24, but every article I read about this incident said the Patriots were mimicing Merriman's sack dance. If that's true I don't think an objective observer could say it was a "spontaneous celebration". Several of the articles also said some of the Patriots players were pointing at the scoreboard and giving the choke sign. That's a real sportsmanlike reaction to winning a game and a respectful way to treat an opponent.

As for the Patriots being classless, look no further than the head coach. The way Belichick treated Eric Mangini after he left to take the Jets' head coaching job was anything but classy. After the Jets beat the Patriots in the regular season and Mangini walked to midfield for the traditional post-game handshake, Belichick barely acknowledged his presence. Can you say sore loser? Then after the Patriots beat the Jets in the first round of the playoffs, Belichick couldn't get to Mangini to hug him fast enough. What a phony.

Shawn Merriman went on national TV during the Patriots-Jets playoff game and predicted the Jets would win despite the Jets trailing by 7 at the time. The guy celebrates every time he does something he is paid to do with a dance. He had one tackle on Brady for 0 yards lost and he jumped up doing that dance, yea he was a real difference maker Sunday. I also read Merriman said he was going to punch Brady in the mouth during the game. Instead of SD crying about the Patriots "celebrating" how about looking at their own team with 9 pro bowl players who did nothing in the biggest game of the season. The Chargers get humilated at home for 59 min 57 seconds and they would have you believe that the reason they lost the game was the Patriots celebration.

The Belichick and Mangini 'feud' no one knows for sure what happened but it has been reported that last season before the Patriots season ended Mangini had already begun talking to Patriots coaches and some players about them coming with him to NY. Then there was reports Mangini called Deon Branch trying to get him to the Jets, tampering charges are still pending. Something clearly happened between the two because there is no animosity between Belichick and any of his other assistants who have left Weiss, Crennell, Rob Ryan...

LIPH wrote:

parrothead338 wrote:No team is perfect (Patriots included) and dancing at midfield was not the best way to celebrate that victory. But the ordasity to equate a couple of players' postgame spontaneous celbration to an entire organization ("from top to bottom") being classless just bugs me.

I didn't see the end of the game because I had already turned to Fox to watch 24, but every article I read about this incident said the Patriots were mimicing Merriman's sack dance. If that's true I don't think an objective observer could say it was a "spontaneous celebration". Several of the articles also said some of the Patriots players were pointing at the scoreboard and giving the choke sign. That's a real sportsmanlike reaction to winning a game and a respectful way to treat an opponent.

As for the Patriots being classless, look no further than the head coach. The way Belichick treated Eric Mangini after he left to take the Jets' head coaching job was anything but classy. After the Jets beat the Patriots in the regular season and Mangini walked to midfield for the traditional post-game handshake, Belichick barely acknowledged his presence. Can you say sore loser? Then after the Patriots beat the Jets in the first round of the playoffs, Belichick couldn't get to Mangini to hug him fast enough. What a phony.

People criticize the Mangini incicent without realizing how much emotion and backstabbing was involved with his departure. Belichik and Mangini had almost a father-son relationship when Mangini was here. Mangini was one of the only coaches on the team who really understood Bill. So when Mangini left town for his arch-rival, took certain players, some coaches coaches, and then tampered in the Branch negotiations (which is still under investigation and could lead to disciplenary action against Mangini) it left Belichik extremly hurt and irate. So I don't think its fare to say he has no class because he was upset and didnt want to chat with Mangini after the game. Maybe he could have handled it better but everyone can have their emptions get to them.

EDIT: Woops... BottleofRum added alot of the same things I said before I realized he did... sorry for the redundancy...

BottleofRum wrote:The Chargers get humilated at home for 59 min 57 seconds and they would have you believe that the reason they lost the game was the Patriots celebration.

Did you watch the same game I did? Weren't the Chargers winning 21-13 with 6 minutes left in the game? I wouldn't call that being humiliated.

LIPH wrote:

BottleofRum wrote:The Chargers get humilated at home for 59 min 57 seconds and they would have you believe that the reason they lost the game was the Patriots celebration.

Did you watch the same game I did? Weren't the Chargers winning 21-13 with 6 minutes left in the game? I wouldn't call that being humiliated.

Look at the body of work:
Your undefeated at home, coming off a bye week, get flagged for 2 crucial personal foul penalties that cost you possession and lead to points for the other team, have 9 (now 10 Pro Bowlers), the league MVP, come up with 3 interceptions, have your coach use timeouts like he has an unlimited supply and have a 21-13 lead with 6Min left in the 4th quarter and LOSE I call that getting humiliated, embarrassed, whatever...

I guess "humiliated" means something different in Massachusetts than it does in the rest of the country.

parrothead338 wrote:People criticize the Mangini incicent without realizing how much emotion and backstabbing was involved with his departure. Belichik and Mangini had almost a father-son relationship when Mangini was here.

Mangini didn't do anything different from what Belichick did when he left the Jets to coach the Patriots. In fact, Mangini handled things a lot better than St. Bill . Belichick had been promoted from defensive coordinator to head coach to replace Parcells, the Jets had scheduled a press conference to introduce him as the new head coach and the day of the press conference he gave the GM a handwritten note resigning as "HC of the NYJ". A "class" coach wouldn't do something like that. And if he had a father-son relationship with Mangini, he should have been happy the guy was getting an opportunity to be a head coach at such a young age.

LIPH wrote:I guess "humiliated" means something different in Massachusetts than it does in the rest of the country.

I guess being a Jets fan you have a better vibe on what is humiliation

You mean like after the November 12 game in Gillette Stadium? Oh wait, the Jets won that one.

LIPH wrote:

parrothead338 wrote:People criticize the Mangini incicent without realizing how much emotion and backstabbing was involved with his departure. Belichik and Mangini had almost a father-son relationship when Mangini was here.

Mangini didn't do anything different from what Belichick did when he left the Jets to coach the Patriots. In fact, Mangini handled things a lot better than St. Bill . Belichick had been promoted from defensive coordinator to head coach to replace Parcells, the Jets had scheduled a press conference to introduce him as the new head coach and the day of the press conference he gave the GM a handwritten note resigning as "HC of the NYJ". A "class" coach wouldn't do something like that. And if he had a father-son relationship with Mangini, he should have been happy the guy was getting an opportunity to be a head coach at such a young age.

Touche... I was hoping noone would bring that up because it severely hurt my argument

LIPH wrote:You mean like after the November 12 game in Gillette Stadium? Oh wait, the Jets won that one.

I imagine the Pats will gladly take the playoff win and give the Jets the regular season victory.

But without the loss to the Jets and the embarassing shutout loss to the Dolphins they probably would have had a first round bye and home field this week.

It's Funny how Patriot Fans are starting to act like Yankee Fans!!!

I wouldn't call the loss humiliating.....a couple of stupid mistakes........humiliating would be getting beat 24-0!!!...They played with a guy who was playing his 1st playoff game

TommyBahama wrote:I wouldn't call the loss humiliating.....a couple of stupid mistakes........humiliating would be getting beat 24-0!!!...They played with a guy who was playing his 1st playoff game

The score certainly wasn't humiliating: they only lost by three points. What must have been disappointing - and possibly humiliating - was to lose to a five-point underdog, at home, with what was widely acknowledged as the best team in the league this year, after squandering an eight-point lead with only a few minutes to go.

LIPH wrote:But without the loss to the Jets and the embarassing shutout loss to the Dolphins they probably would have had a first round bye and home field this week.

Well, if you can't win 'em all (and who, apart from the '72 Dolphins, can?), win the most important ones.

Demerara wrote:

TommyBahama wrote:I wouldn't call the loss humiliating.....a couple of stupid mistakes........humiliating would be getting beat 24-0!!!...They played with a guy who was playing his 1st playoff game

The score certainly wasn't humiliating: they only lost by three points. What must have been disappointing - and possibly humiliating - was to lose to a five-point underdog, at home, with what was widely acknowledged as the best team in the league this year, after squandering an eight-point lead with only a few minutes to go.

LIPH wrote:But without the loss to the Jets and the embarassing shutout loss to the Dolphins they probably would have had a first round bye and home field this week.

Well, if you can't win 'em all (and who, apart from the '72 Dolphins, can?), win the most important ones.

Look at past history...the best records don't always get in....The Colts for one!!

LIPH wrote:But without the loss to the Jets and the embarassing shutout loss to the Dolphins they probably would have had a first round bye and home field this week.

And without the Jets lose at home to the Patriots and their embarrassing shutout lose to Jax the Jets would have had home field advantage.

BottleofRum wrote:

LIPH wrote:But without the loss to the Jets and the embarassing shutout loss to the Dolphins they probably would have had a first round bye and home field this week.

And without the Jets lose at home to the Patriots and their embarrassing shutout lose to Jax the Jets would have had home field advantage.

The only reason the Jets made the playoffs this year was the last place schedule. I think their opponents had a winning percentage of about 42%. They beat 1 team with a winning record all year, the Patriots. Talk about a humiliating loss.