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mike6981 wrote:i think anyone who sells tickets more the face value should be fined, this practice is truely not right. I would love to have a chance to get closer to the stage but not for $1000.00. I'll pay face value. Someday I hope to down in front and not in the lawn. :pirate:
Dave Matthews Band auctions off tickets in each of the first five rows for charity. With this system, you still pay market value, but the proceeds benefit a worthy cause.

I wish JB did something similar. I would gladly pay $1000 for two front row seats if the money benefited a charity. I suspect many others on here would as well if it was feasible financially.
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Post by moeron »

When Da Bears made the playoffs, they had a system where only phans could buy tickets were in the IL or IN area. They mailed them to a local address. This would curb some of the scalpers. ie college kids and east or west coast scalpers. But it would still be hard to stop them. I would be more likely to pay up if the money went to a cause, not scalpers. Such as the " moeron tequlia purchase cause" It helps take tequlia out of the hands of binge drinkers and puts it in the hand of common drunks like me.
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I wish the stadium would stop with this season ticket nonsense. No one could ever want to see every act in one place, and so they will obviously resell the tickets to some damn brokers.
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LastMango wrote:Dave Matthews Band auctions off tickets in each of the first five rows for charity. With this system, you still pay market value, but the proceeds benefit a worthy cause. .
When one bid's an auction like this I would assume that one is NOT paying "market value" but significantly higher. I sincerely doubt that the bid for a $100.00 ticket would stop at exacty $100.00, in fact I'm sure it would be much higher.

If the winner of the auction won with a bid of face or market value, it would be a pointless venture for the charity.
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mike6981 wrote:i think anyone who sells tickets more the face value should be fined, this practice is truely not right. I would love to have a chance to get closer to the stage but not for $1000.00. I'll pay face value. Someday I hope to down in front and not in the lawn. :pirate:
Sooooo .... you are holding out hope that someone, someday, will do the legwork and get the tickets in the front row for "face value" and then turn around, locate you somehow, and offer the tickets for sale to you without any markup? This combination of events and fortune is to take place without any of the machinery of ticket brokering and the secondary ticket market. All persons willing to pay the $1000 secondary market value for the tickets are to have their offers rejected. Tens of thousands of other fans are to be put in line behind you so you can be the one to pay first sale "face value" on a secondary market resale of the tickets?

Good luck with that.
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Post by Coconuts »

Face value would be $100- market value would be whatever someone was willing to pay.

And I would not be at all surprised if the first 5 rows were mostly owned by brokers.
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Post by buffett81611 »

[quote="LastMango"][quote="SMLCHNG"]Not defending any of the companies, I'm just curious why you think they are the same companies?

Greatseats is in MD
Ticketsnow is in Crystal Lake, IL
Gottickets is in Deerfield IL
Ticketsolutions is in Overland Park, KS[/quote]

You are correct...the companies are all different. The vast majority of brokers use a program which allows them to link up with all other brokers in the country. Basically, they list the tickets they have for sale, and then list all other tickets available from other brokers in the country (with a significant markup). One will see the same tickets regardless of the broker site they visit. Only the pricing will vary, as each broker can set their own markup for tickets available beyond their own inventory.[/quote]


Thank you Mango for stating this much better than I did....same tickets...different companies...but the same sets of tickets in a database shared between groups... Found this out the hard way when trying to secure some basketball tickets a few years back. Very, very frustrating as you can't use their prices against each other as they have in the database what all the prices are listed as, as well as what they paid for the tickets and a bottom line price to sell the tickets for. They have it down to quite a system that negates any bargaining power I had when I bought baseball tickets outside Wrigley Field and the "smart" scalpers were just beginning to use these expensive tools called cell phones to get a good idea about true market prices for the tickets.

It is quite a business, and if you invest in the stock market, it could be argued that you participate in a similar practice in seeking to buy low and sell high, or buy high and sell low if you're into shorting stocks. It really is all about market value--either tickets or stocks. One is more socially and therefore more ethically accepted. I guess that would be an argument not to have on this board however....
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Post by mike6981 »

Coconuts wrote:Face value would be $100- market value would be whatever someone was willing to pay.

And I would not be at all surprised if the first 5 rows were mostly owned by brokers.
Thanks,,,,,,your right about face value and market value.....thanks again.
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buffett81611 wrote:It is quite a business, and if you invest in the stock market, it could be argued that you participate in a similar practice in seeking to buy low and sell high, or buy high and sell low if you're into shorting stocks. It really is all about market value--either tickets or stocks. One is more socially and therefore more ethically accepted. I guess that would be an argument not to have on this board however....
Ahh...you've touched on the heart of the issue...and sorry, but I respectfully disagree.

The stock and commodity markets are very open...trades are made publicy, everyone has access to the exact current price and anyone can make a decision whether to buy or sell based on that price and any other available public information. Of course, anyone with material inside information is prohibited from buying or selling based on that information (just ask Martha Stewart). Also, the stock and commodity markets are heavily regulated to insure fairness and transparency. Finally, if one doesn't personally own a seat on an exchange, they only need go through one third party (their broker) to get direct access to buying or selling stocks or commodities at the market price.

Ticket markets, on the other hand, are anything but open and transparent. Prices are artificially set (e.g. $126 pavilion seat), one agent (Ticketmaster) sells the tickets on behalf of the artist and venue. Without inside information it's impossible to know how many tickets are actually sold, to whom and when. It certainly appears that some purchasers (brokers) have an advantage in gaining access to tickets as opposed to everyone having open and equal access. Also, due to set prices there is an active secondary/resale market that can have many hidden layers. Ticket brokers aren't regulated. And on and on and on....

If concert tickets were sold like stocks we'd have an open auction. We'd know what tickets were sold and for how much, and we'd each have an equal chance to buy those tickets. Broker numbers would plummet because their huge profits from selling premium Buffett seats would disappear; although they'd still have a role and add value in matching some buyers and sellers (vs. making so much money off of the inefficient market). The current behind-the-scenes collusion (hidden information) would be illegal, too.

The set ticket prices encourage the game and all the hidden pieces make it look like an unfair game. The internet age, where so much info is now so easily available, just makes the ugly pieces of this game appear that much worse. Give me an open market any day....
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