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RinglingRingling wrote:

CTParrothead763 wrote:

Skibo wrote:

The Boy Nobody Knew wrote:And cut your pathetic little act about "don't hate me because I understand economics". you have no idea about economics, you understand how to be a leach on society. If you understand economics, go out, learn to play guitar, build a cult like following for a few decades and make your money like a man. Stop preying on someone elses fan base because of a deficiency in their computer system.

Law of supply and demand kicks in here. I make my money like a smart businessman. There is two ways to put scalpers out of business. 1. Entertainers charge enough for their tickets that scalpers cannot make a profit. 2. Consumers have to resist the urge to purchase from scalpers.

We all understand supply and demand. The problem is that you and your scalper fraternity are creating an artificial demand, and thereby driving up prices, at the expense of others. If you can live with that, so be it. I couldn't.

no, the demand is real enough. It's the supply that is being artificially-stifled.

Well said RinglingRingling! It is the artificially stifled supply that is the problem. I don't think pointing the finger at the scalpers is the answer. The problem lies with Ticketmaster. There doesn't seem to be any explanation on why, or how, certain people (whether ticketbrokers, scalpers, e-bay'ers) always get tickets while the average fan gets shut out.

Of course there are always the free tickets that go to the entertainers, their staff, venue staff, radio stations, etc that we never will see but try adding up all the tickets that you see on e-bay and some of the ticketbroker sites and you really have to wonder what's going on.

If we all had the same opportunity to purchase tickets thru TM, and for the most part were able to get tickets, there would be less of an available supply and less of a demand. But good luck trying to get an honest answer from TM on how they control their selling process.

Do I blame the scalpers? No because they are seizing an opportunity that no one is controlling. Would I buy a ticket from a ticketbroker, scalper or e-bay'er who try to sell their tickets at least 3 times higher than face? No. Would I bid on tickets on e-bay that are set at face or lower? Probably, only because I can set the value of that ticket.

Lets put the focus on the real problem - Ticketmaster.

And for the purpose of full disclosure I was able to get a good number of tickets thru TM for the 9/2 and 9/8 Foxboro concerts. But that was 10 people on computers and trying to call. Most of the tickets were purchased thru the pre-sale. We decided that the 9/8 show was the one we wanted to go to and the other tickets are being sold at face+fees. We only got 4 lawns for Camden (same 10 people). We have, in the past been shut out, like Jones Beach last year.

bones20 wrote:

RinglingRingling wrote:

CTParrothead763 wrote:

Skibo wrote:

The Boy Nobody Knew wrote:And cut your pathetic little act about "don't hate me because I understand economics". you have no idea about economics, you understand how to be a leach on society. If you understand economics, go out, learn to play guitar, build a cult like following for a few decades and make your money like a man. Stop preying on someone elses fan base because of a deficiency in their computer system.

Law of supply and demand kicks in here. I make my money like a smart businessman. There is two ways to put scalpers out of business. 1. Entertainers charge enough for their tickets that scalpers cannot make a profit. 2. Consumers have to resist the urge to purchase from scalpers.

We all understand supply and demand. The problem is that you and your scalper fraternity are creating an artificial demand, and thereby driving up prices, at the expense of others. If you can live with that, so be it. I couldn't.

no, the demand is real enough. It's the supply that is being artificially-stifled.

Well said RinglingRingling! It is the artificially stifled supply that is the problem. I don't think pointing the finger at the scalpers is the answer. The problem lies with Ticketmaster. There doesn't seem to be any explanation on why, or how, certain people (whether ticketbrokers, scalpers, e-bay'ers) always get tickets while the average fan gets shut out.

Of course there are always the free tickets that go to the entertainers, their staff, venue staff, radio stations, etc that we never will see but try adding up all the tickets that you see on e-bay and some of the ticketbroker sites and you really have to wonder what's going on.

If we all had the same opportunity to purchase tickets thru TM, and for the most part were able to get tickets, there would be less of an available supply and less of a demand. But good luck trying to get an honest answer from TM on how they control their selling process.

Do I blame the scalpers? No because they are seizing an opportunity that no one is controlling. Would I buy a ticket from a ticketbroker, scalper or e-bay'er who try to sell their tickets at least 3 times higher than face? No. Would I bid on tickets on e-bay that are set at face or lower? Probably, only because I can set the value of that ticket.

Lets put the focus on the real problem - Ticketmaster.

And for the purpose of full disclosure I was able to get a good number of tickets thru TM for the 9/2 and 9/8 Foxboro concerts. But that was 10 people on computers and trying to call. Most of the tickets were purchased thru the pre-sale. We decided that the 9/8 show was the one we wanted to go to and the other tickets are being sold at face+fees. We only got 4 lawns for Camden (same 10 people). We have, in the past been shut out, like Jones Beach last year.

Ticketmaster and the venues who create the distribution/allocations to PSL-and-season-ticketholders

bones20 wrote:There doesn't seem to be any explanation on why, or how, certain people (whether ticketbrokers, scalpers, e-bay'ers) always get tickets while the average fan gets shut out.

Average fans can and do get tickets. There is a finite number of tickets available and as long as demand continues to exceed supply there will always be people getting shut out.

bones20 wrote:If we all had the same opportunity to purchase tickets thru TM, and for the most part were able to get tickets, there would be less of an available supply and less of a demand.

This is a nice fantasy to have. Even if brokers and scalpers were out of the picture we would never all be able to get tickets, the demand would still exceed the supply.

LIPH wrote:

bones20 wrote:There doesn't seem to be any explanation on why, or how, certain people (whether ticketbrokers, scalpers, e-bay'ers) always get tickets while the average fan gets shut out.

LIPH wrote:Average fans can and do get tickets. There is a finite number of tickets available and as long as demand continues to exceed supply there will always be people getting shut out

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bones20 wrote:If we all had the same opportunity to purchase tickets thru TM, and for the most part were able to get tickets, there would be less of an available supply and less of a demand.

LIPH wrote:This is a nice fantasy to have. Even if brokers and scalpers were out of the picture we would never all be able to get tickets, the demand would still exceed the supply.

LIPH, I think you missed my point. I agree that the average fan does get tickets, but read any forum (here or elsewhere) about the problems people have had with TM and you have to give consideration that the process is not fair to everyone trying to purchase tickets.
I was offering that if more of the tickets were purchased by fans then there would be less demand (I never said the demand goes away). As you say, even if the brokers and scalpers were out of the picture the demand would still exceed the supply. But that is expected when you are dealing with such a large fan base.

bones20 wrote:The problem lies with Ticketmaster. There doesn't seem to be any explanation on why, or how, certain people (whether ticketbrokers, scalpers, e-bay'ers) always get tickets while the average fan gets shut out.

Lets put the focus on the real problem - Ticketmaster.

And for the purpose of full disclosure I was able to get a good number of tickets thru TM for the 9/2 and 9/8 Foxboro concerts. But that was 10 people on computers and trying to call. Most of the tickets were purchased thru the pre-sale. We decided that the 9/8 show was the one we wanted to go to and the other tickets are being sold at face+fees. We only got 4 lawns for Camden (same 10 people). We have, in the past been shut out, like Jones Beach last year.

Ummmm. Nope. Too broad of a statements here that are presented as if they are fact. "Scalpers always get tickets. Average fan is always shut out." I put the focus on the the fact that you and thousands upon thousands upon more thousands of fans like you (and me) are all doing the same thing. Mass scarfing of a precious limited number of tickets.

What exactly would you have TM do differently?

bones20 wrote:I was offering that if more of the tickets were purchased by fans then there would be less demand (I never said the demand goes away).

My point was, you will never be able to please everybody. People are always going to get shut out as long as demand exceeds supply. Eliminating scalpers and brokers wouldn't change that, it would only mean less people getting gouged (and hopefully less people bitching and moaning about not being able to get tickets).

surfpirate wrote:

bones20 wrote:The problem lies with Ticketmaster. There doesn't seem to be any explanation on why, or how, certain people (whether ticketbrokers, scalpers, e-bay'ers) always get tickets while the average fan gets shut out.

Lets put the focus on the real problem - Ticketmaster.

And for the purpose of full disclosure I was able to get a good number of tickets thru TM for the 9/2 and 9/8 Foxboro concerts. But that was 10 people on computers and trying to call. Most of the tickets were purchased thru the pre-sale. We decided that the 9/8 show was the one we wanted to go to and the other tickets are being sold at face+fees. We only got 4 lawns for Camden (same 10 people). We have, in the past been shut out, like Jones Beach last year.

Ummmm. Nope. Too broad of a statements here that are presented as if they are fact. "Scalpers always get tickets. Average fan is always shut out."

At least he said "average fan" and not "real fan".

This is a cyclical argument.

There is a theory that describes stock pricing in the market that seems to fit here. It is the efficient markey hypothesis. It says that stocks are always priced about right and bargains are hard to find. The reason being is that thousands of paid analysts(Ticket Brokers) watch the market and jump on a good deal (tickets in high demand). This in turn would set the price at a new equilibrium (market price) that everyone (average fan) else must pay.

Now that said this behavior is illegal in some industries because they are deemed as necessities and there are no close substitutes. A great example of this is public utilities. Concert tickets are viewed as a luxury so there is not the great general outrage that one would think.

When I was in high school, we went to see ZZ Top in concert at the University of Toledo. The day tickets went on sale, we got there about 4am and sat in the cold. It was really easy to figure out if we were going to get tickets. We counted the people in line in front of us. They should just go back to the old days. If you want the tickets bad enough, show up early enough.

The Boy Nobody Knew wrote:When I was in high school, we went to see ZZ Top in concert at the University of Toledo. The day tickets went on sale, we got there about 4am and sat in the cold. It was really easy to figure out if we were going to get tickets. We counted the people in line in front of us. They should just go back to the old days. If you want the tickets bad enough, show up early enough.

But ....... but ......... but......?! We'd have only ourselves to blame for not putting in the right effort to get the tickets! There'd be no way to blame TicketMaster!!!! There's be no conspiracy theories about grassy knolls and sleezy scalpers!!!!!! My God man! You are suggesting we have accountibility for our own failures to get tickets!!!!!

That's just absurd.

surfpirate wrote:

The Boy Nobody Knew wrote:When I was in high school, we went to see ZZ Top in concert at the University of Toledo. The day tickets went on sale, we got there about 4am and sat in the cold. It was really easy to figure out if we were going to get tickets. We counted the people in line in front of us. They should just go back to the old days. If you want the tickets bad enough, show up early enough.

But ....... but ......... but......?! We'd have only ourselves to blame for not putting in the right effort to get the tickets! There'd be no way to blame TicketMaster!!!! There's be no conspiracy theories about grassy knolls and sleezy scalpers!!!!!! My God man! You are suggesting we have accountibility for our own failures to get tickets!!!!!

That's just absurd.

lol. and still lol.

amen, to you. if we want tickets bad enough we'll get em'. sure, the process is flawed, but what good does it do for anyone to b**** and moan about all this on BN? it just gets us all riled up and arguin', and there's a not a thing we can do about it here.

it's simple, don't get tickets? online, ebay, or scalp at the venue. 99% of the time you will get in at a reasonable price for a sold out show.

i only wish that these words would last and be bred into human thinking. because then, we could simply spend all of our time on much more important topics -- such as petitionin JB for a 4-day festival in Boise. (i'm hearing 2027 for that! )

LIPH wrote:If I get shut out when I try for concert tickets, and it doesn't happen that often, I stay home. I don't start a thread on Buffett News or any other website bitching about "scum bags". I don't give them my money either. There are a lot of things I WANT to do. There are very few things, and that includes going to concerts, thet I HAVE to do.

well said..

Great taste!!!!!!!

tryin' to reason wrote:Great taste!!!!!!!

one for each of us.. you have first choice..

The Boy Nobody Knew wrote:

Skibo wrote:

The Boy Nobody Knew wrote: Exactly what service is it you provide? You jam the lines up with as many homeless guys as you can hire to see how many of them get lucky and get tickets and force the real fans to hope they hit a lottery rather than just buy the tickets they showed up for on the sale date. What kind of delusional, f'ed up morality allows you to consider yourself in a noble pursuit?

I purchase my tickets myself. I don't hire anyone. I have to fight ticketmaster just like everyone else. I limit my purchase to 8 tickets for the shows that I know will give me a profit. I don't consider anything I do moral or immoral. I really don't see where morality comes into play here.

We bring a group of about 15 to Cinci every year. We have a fantastic tailgate and plan for it pretty much year round. We had three people ready at 10am Monday using different methods to buy the tickets we need for our group. Because of scumbags like you, we were able to buy a grand total of 1 ticket. We don't need your service. We would be perfectly capable of buying our own if vermin like you didn't infect the process.

You almost had me on your side until I saw this- if 15 people really want to go, then you need 15 people trying. I think we have about that many for Pittsburgh, but everyone tried, so we were able to make sure everyone was taken care of. If you're too busy to make the time to try for tickets, then you have to hire it out- AKA hire a scalper to stand in line for you.

And I would support a limit of 2 as well.

indymiller24 wrote:

surfpirate wrote:

The Boy Nobody Knew wrote:When I was in high school, we went to see ZZ Top in concert at the University of Toledo. The day tickets went on sale, we got there about 4am and sat in the cold. It was really easy to figure out if we were going to get tickets. We counted the people in line in front of us. They should just go back to the old days. If you want the tickets bad enough, show up early enough.

But ....... but ......... but......?! We'd have only ourselves to blame for not putting in the right effort to get the tickets! There'd be no way to blame TicketMaster!!!! There's be no conspiracy theories about grassy knolls and sleezy scalpers!!!!!! My God man! You are suggesting we have accountibility for our own failures to get tickets!!!!!

That's just absurd.

lol. and still lol.

amen, to you. if we want tickets bad enough we'll get em'. sure, the process is flawed, but what good does it do for anyone to b**** and moan about all this on BN? it just gets us all riled up and arguin', and there's a not a thing we can do about it here.

it's simple, don't get tickets? online, ebay, or scalp at the venue. 99% of the time you will get in at a reasonable price for a sold out show.

i only wish that these words would last and be bred into human thinking. because then, we could simply spend all of our time on much more important topics -- such as petitionin JB for a 4-day festival in Boise. (i'm hearing 2027 for that! )

Correct me if I'm wrong but this is the discussion area and I am a member of this fan site. I started this thread I wanted to vent or as you said b**** and moan. That is what I wanted to do because it gave me some satisfaction. no its not going to change any thing. But I wanted to see if any body agreed with me Thats whyI started it. I believe there a ton of other topics. or you can start your own if you don't like this one.

blondestranger13 wrote:

indymiller24 wrote:

surfpirate wrote:

The Boy Nobody Knew wrote:When I was in high school, we went to see ZZ Top in concert at the University of Toledo. The day tickets went on sale, we got there about 4am and sat in the cold. It was really easy to figure out if we were going to get tickets. We counted the people in line in front of us. They should just go back to the old days. If you want the tickets bad enough, show up early enough.

But ....... but ......... but......?! We'd have only ourselves to blame for not putting in the right effort to get the tickets! There'd be no way to blame TicketMaster!!!! There's be no conspiracy theories about grassy knolls and sleezy scalpers!!!!!! My God man! You are suggesting we have accountibility for our own failures to get tickets!!!!!

That's just absurd.

lol. and still lol.

amen, to you. if we want tickets bad enough we'll get em'. sure, the process is flawed, but what good does it do for anyone to b**** and moan about all this on BN? it just gets us all riled up and arguin', and there's a not a thing we can do about it here.

it's simple, don't get tickets? online, ebay, or scalp at the venue. 99% of the time you will get in at a reasonable price for a sold out show.

i only wish that these words would last and be bred into human thinking. because then, we could simply spend all of our time on much more important topics -- such as petitionin JB for a 4-day festival in Boise. (i'm hearing 2027 for that! )

Correct me if I'm wrong but this is the discussion area and I am a member of this fan site. I started this thread I wanted to vent or as you said b**** and moan. That is what I wanted to do because it gave me some satisfaction. no its not going to change any thing. But I wanted to see if any body agreed with me Thats whyI started it. I believe there a ton of other topics. or you can start your own if you don't like this one.

don't take it so personally, for one. and two, this is not an original thread at all and i'd have to say that many, many bn'ers have had enough of this type of discussion because its the same thing every time. ticketmaster is the devil, i should get tickets because i am entitled to them, and if i don't then jb can just go to hell.

am i saying you don't have the right to post this thread? no, you're a member just like me. but then again, if you'd do a little searching around you'd realize that this thread is multiplied over and over and that plenty of people have agreed and agreed with you for years, and you could easily post this on there. or even better, post on the ticket exchange (you might have already) and find tickets on there.

it's exactly what i did this year, because i got left of the tickets for indy. so now, i'm working to find a solution because i realize 50,000 people want 15,000 tickets, and it doesn't work out.

please, don't take offense to me and my useless arguing, because it's the way i feel about it, and i'm not afraid to bring it up. but a little bit of messageboard etiquette of not starting threads that exist already would be nice. good luck with tickets.

As long as somebody get crap, We phans will pitch a fit. have been shutout many times. The next time I try hard to score. I have bitched in the past. If... When I get shutout I will rag, But as every person on BM has said, Thats life. If we didn't have it bad sometimes we couldn't enjoy the good. It makes us appericate the good after we have the bad..

Coconuts wrote:
And I would support a limit of 2 as well.

See this I would have a problem with. What about the family of 5 with 3 kids raised on Jimmy. Are the parents just supposed to leave them home?

I agree that 8 is too much, but I think a limit of 6 is more reasonable.