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Coconuts wrote:
And I would support a limit of 2 as well.

OK first this info is Pre-internet..
Second I will probably shock a couple of pholks that know me..
Or not..
I walked a dark path right after My divorce..
I did some things I am not proud of,
and things (like scalping) that I did
that just were..
My source?? the kids working for T/M they had NO ticket limit
for big events, They got me the best tickets.. I never got big
but I got $$$. let me tell you some stuff that you never guessed.
First yes some of the Scalpers pay homless pholks
Some just tell you they do so that their real source is covered..
the Back door of T/M is the best place to score..

now let me tell you the downfalls of this arrangement
first.. My local T/M was a Music store.. Not a long term
job for most people, so I was always on the look out
for new pholks.. and always walking in and asking for.....
and finding out they were gone.
second. you have to keep the pump primed..
yes it is a cash and carry deal.
but at the same time you want to keep the lines open
AND some of them don't want money.
Uh dude how about you bring a keg of beer over friday?
(this also was prior to the serial number of the keg used for ID)
as well as other forms of payment..
maybe special additive for Brownies.
I will let Glen Frey say it for me..
" Lots of Shady Charactors.. Lots of Dirty Deals"
Yep I did it for years.. I have moved.. and
in my Area there is no pressure for tickets,so I retired
But if I lived in a big city??
I would set up shop again.. in a heart beat..
Point?? the two ticket linit is a Joke.. the T/M crew has no limit..
and that is one major source of tix for the street.

Ok, true- the record store in my hometown would just start pulling down as many as they could to try and make sure they could get everyone tickets- I bought my share of extras (not for scalping though).

And if you have a family of 5, you have 5 people in line at TM- if they're old enough to go to a show, they're old enough to stand in line.

Coconuts wrote:Ok, true- the record store in my hometown would just start pulling down as many as they could to try and make sure they could get everyone tickets- I bought my share of extras (not for scalping though).

And if you have a family of 5, you have 5 people in line at TM- if they're old enough to go to a show, they're old enough to stand in line.

But what about payment? I completely agree with you on 5 people waiting in line. When my family and I are trying to score tix, it's all hands on deck, meaning both computers plus cell phones, land lines, etc. However, the only way to enforce it is through 2 tix per credit card no. I don't think many 12 year olds having their own credit card.

[quote="jonesbeach10"][quote="Coconuts"] When my family and I are trying to score tix, it's all hands on deck, meaning both computers plus cell phones, land lines, etc. quote]

Wow that doesn't seem very fair to those of us who don't have that kind of manpower. I mean why should you get a better chance at tickets because of that....

We beat this to death every year and it gets old listening to the complaining. As I state every year, I gave up the stupidity of trying to use ticketmaster or standing in line years ago. We only go to a couple shows a year so we cut down on the shows but kept expense the same and avoided all this stuff. Had many great experiences and I absolutely plan to have dandy seats to the Pittsburgh show. I'll get around to getting them about mid-may.

God bless ticket brokers.

SchoonerWharf wrote:

jonesbeach10 wrote:

Coconuts wrote: When my family and I are trying to score tix, it's all hands on deck, meaning both computers plus cell phones, land lines, etc. quote]

Wow that doesn't seem very fair to those of us who don't have that kind of manpower. I mean why should you get a better chance at tickets because of that....

We beat this to death every year and it gets old listening to the complaining. As I state every year, I gave up the stupidity of trying to use ticketmaster or standing in line years ago. We only go to a couple shows a year so we cut down on the shows but kept expense the same and avoided all this stuff. Had many great experiences and I absolutely plan to have dandy seats to the Pittsburgh show. I'll get around to getting them about mid-may.

God bless ticket brokers.

It's unfair that four people are using all the resources they can to try to get 4 tickets? I'm not sure I follow you. Is it any different than 1 person using TM.com and his/her phone at the same time? If someone gets through, then we focus our efforts on that one person. Any excess tickets we happen to get, we offer to our friends that got us into JB in the first place (and that's only happened once)? If they don't want/need them, we release them back into the system. It's not as if Little Tommy and Suzie are trying to help get just mom and dad to the show. Tommy and Suzie are coming too!!!

I was thinking of standing in line, as in mom and dad hand kids cash and they wait to go in and pay. IME, that really is the best way to get tickets to a local show- especially if you have 5 people that can get 5 different spots in the lottery.

Skibo wrote: Law of supply and demand kicks in here. I make my money like a smart businessman. There is two ways to put scalpers out of business. 1. Entertainers charge enough for their tickets that scalpers cannot make a profit. 2. Consumers have to resist the urge to purchase from scalpers.

Your are correct. Most events are under priced at the box office.

The Economics of Ticket Scalping

"...puts forth three theories as to why box offices supplying the tickets typically sell at a price lower than the market-clearing price. The first theory deals with the image of the sports team or music artist. Most teams and artists feel that it is crucial to their image that their venue be sold out. After all, a sold-out venue lends value to attending. It makes attending more attractive to customers who were able to obtain tickets that others were not. Secondly, a sell-out crowd maximizes complementary revenues from parking and concessions. In order to be a guaranteed sell-out crowd, however, the box office has to price the tickets artificially low, since it is improbable that the ticket demand and, therefore, equilibrium price would be known."

"Honest scalpers, however, perform a valuable service because they are on site in the hours leading up to the start of the event. They are the ones who close the market, a necessary function of any efficient market."

I remember back in the early to mid 1980s my dad and I would go to a record store and get Buffett tickets way way after they went on sale. We'd get decent seats. Then in the late 80s it started getting hectic, we had to go earlier. By Jump Up, Outpost and Rece$$ion, we had to get them the day of. Then we just flat gave up - we couldn't get any. 1981 to 1992 we saw JB every year he toured plus a couple of times in 82, 89 and 90. Or whenever Zachary Richard opened. Jimmy started playing less shows but the same amount of people wanted to go. Someone always loses out.

Now he barely plays and more and more people want to go see him. So I'm not totally convinced the problem is TM or scalpers because Jimmy's lack of playing multiple nights in the same venue has helped to screw things up.

He plays a football stadium he's got the double edge - massive amount of people for one (or two) shows vs. smaller amount of people for many shows. The sound sucks and a ton of money was made but everyone got to see him. Well, not everyone but you get the point.

So Jimmy needs to play more shows. That won't bring prices down but maybe more people will get to see him.

Coconuts wrote:Ok, true- the record store in my hometown would just start pulling down as many as they could to try and make sure they could get everyone tickets

I too used to have this type of source...it was sweet...a phone call the day before to tell them how many tickets you wanted, call back later the day tickets went on sale to see what you scored and what you owed. AHHHH...THOSE WERE THE DAYS!

Ticket brokers advertise on this site, just look at any ad on here and 80% of the time it will be an ad from a broker promoting Buffett tickets they have for sale. Sure they are displayed via Google ads but the owner of this site has the option of what ads do and don't not display, he chooses to allow the brokers ads thus this site is a enabler.

I know I know I know --- Ad's help pay for this site... so if the majority of them are ticket broker ads we should be happy they have tickets to sell for without them this place may not exist as we know it.

I had 4 people in-line on-line and calling. I have been shut out a couple of times. This year i got 4. thats all I needed. If I got more I would be selling on TE. I have 1 on sale there. The drawback.... You might be sitting next to ME!!.. Scary huh?