Prince Harry Stays Home - Iraq Too Dangerous

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Despite my slightly more favorable view on the war in Iraq then most have, I think that the Bush daughters should have to serve just as principle .
this is ridiculous. So if I'm anti-war my kids should have to spend alot of time in a peace rally or whatever. Grown kids shouldn't be affected by their parents choices any more then parents by their grown kids. Every parent who is pro-war should force their child to enlist after they are 18yo? Craziness.
And about the royals. Military decisions are made for the good of the whole. You don't do something just to suit one person more. I would imagine he's embarrassed about the whole thing. He probably feels like a wuss because he can't go over there with all the men he trained with. But if I was the wife or mother of one of those men I wouldn't want their risk increased just so the Prince can say, see I am just like any ordinary person, I served too.
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PHAW Webmistress wrote:My 2 cents:

If my keet has to go back I sure as hell wouldn't want that kind of high profile person (royalty or not!) anywhere near my son - his life would be in danger WITHOUT a bullseye! Do I think it's fair for the other sons and daughters (and Aunts, Uncles, cousins, brothers, sisters, etc.) there? No-but I'd like to keep the "regular" folk as safe as we can so they CAN come home!

And before its asked - nope - I've never been in the military I'm just surrounded by them and I'monly speaking as a Mom of a soldier.

Only the MOM???? yeah.. No
you Were a big part of that soldiers life long before he Enlisted..
and will be long after His Tour Of duty is over..
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creeky wrote:One of our morning tv shows had fun with this this morning ...

As they reported ...

Apparently the UK head of Army went to Iraq and looked and thought - "ooh this looks dangerous" :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

I think it is a common sense decision - it is a dangerous place as it is - but those poor soldiers that would be in his unit might as well have a big bullseye on their chest ... such a target they would be - more so than others.
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creeky wrote:One of our morning tv shows had fun with this this morning ...

As they reported ...

Apparently the UK head of Army went to Iraq and looked and thought - "ooh this looks dangerous" :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

I think it is a common sense decision - it is a dangerous place as it is - but those poor soldiers that would be in his unit might as well have a big bullseye on their chest ... such a target they would be - more so than others.
Too right.. If it is a case of Britan being invaded??
Queue up, rifle and Kit issued
But Him going elsewhere??
not good for his unit.. and how bad for morale would it be if
a Bomb did get him??
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I've been over their once already.... don't want to go over again. It took me about a week to get used to GREEN colors again!

I saw security details for big shots (ie. Condy, Donald Rumsfeld, Gen Pace, etc).....

I would make more sense IMO to keep Harry back in England... OPSEC (non military people... Operational Security) :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Re: Prince Harry Stays Home - Iraq Too Dangerous

Post by RinglingRingling »

creeky wrote:
SchoolGirlHeart wrote:
drunkpirate66 wrote:I politely and respectfully disagree. From what I have read (which holds about as much water in my opinion as Henry saying he wants to go - maybe that was honest, maybe not) he would have been protected within roughly a half mile radius and would not have been active field. If I am wrong then I am wrong. He could have been a great contributor within his role. If the danger level was assessed at being that high then I suppose people in charge made the decision they felt necessary. Again, I repsectfully disagree with it.
You're entitled to your opinion, but you are incorrect when you say he would not have been "active field." If he's in Iraq, he's a target. It's virtually impossible to stop a dedicated suicide bomber. We have to get lucky every single day. They only have to get lucky once. There is no "safe" place in Iraq.


Kinda like trying to find a dry spot in the middle of a rain shower .. aint gonna happen ...... they were sending him to Basra (sp) ... dont believe that is all that safe ...
Basra and the south is more safe than Baghdad and the Sunni Triangle areas. Tho, granted, it is still a war zone.

And I hate to say it this way, but when other people pointed out that the troops knew what they were getting into when they signed up for military service, and should keep their worries about extended tours and possible death after 2,3, or 4 rotations thru Iraq and Afghanistan quiet, how is this different? He signed up for suty in a combat unit. His uncle saw potential death by Exocet in the South Atlantic 25 years ago.
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SchoolGirlHeart wrote:
ph4ever wrote:and fwit - I've deleted 5 posts on this subject cause I'm irritated too
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3 here.....
woke and saw this. sorry for your irratations but come on . . . I thought this was a friendly conversation on a Buffett web page. Why get irratated? I for one enjoyed the talk . . . later.
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Post by drunkpirate66 »

OceanCityGirl wrote:
Despite my slightly more favorable view on the war in Iraq then most have, I think that the Bush daughters should have to serve just as principle .
this is ridiculous. So if I'm anti-war my kids should have to spend alot of time in a peace rally or whatever. Grown kids shouldn't be affected by their parents choices any more then parents by their grown kids. Every parent who is pro-war should force their child to enlist after they are 18yo? Craziness.And about the royals. Military decisions are made for the good of the whole. You don't do something just to suit one person more. I would imagine he's embarrassed about the whole thing. He probably feels like a wuss because he can't go over there with all the men he trained with. But if I was the wife or mother of one of those men I wouldn't want their risk increased just so the Prince can say, see I am just like any ordinary person, I served too.
Every parent? No. ???

Wuss? Still not sold . . . I know what he said but he is a future king or hpwever that works over there as a monarchy (which I don't get to be honest). I think there are some deeper political implications. I thinkhe talked loud to save face and ultimately, because of his priveledged state, opted out.

He is not an ordinary person. He certainly knows it and does not view himself as such.

My opinions. For those who got irritated or whatever don't. I am just a guy voicing his opinion on a very cold morning out on an island waiting to go do his job. Best to all.
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Post by horseyparrot »

I dunno.....from what i've read here and there, it always looked like Harry was the "wild child"....i could see him for sure wanting to go, not just saying it. we'll never know, i guess. I can certainly see the logic of not letting him go, due to endangering troops. (shrug)

What bothers me the most about this whole deal is (and I had found a great article on the subject, should've hung onto it), the descrepancies between those who serve and those in a position of power and decision-making are increasing rapidly. It used to be that if you were wealthy and priviledged, you darn well DID serve (re: long past presidents, regardless of what you think of them, many of them were a LOT more active, or even leaders in the armed services, not just pencil pushers) and it was a point of further respect and prominence and prestige. Now, we have a lot of people making decisions about where to send our servicepeople and what to do with them, who know nothing of the personal hardships and sacrifices these people make and endure on behalf of our country. They also have never really SEEN what war does to a place; oh sure they go over there and make pretty for the camera, but i guarentee they're not seeing the nasty effects and landscapes that our servicepeople see.

I have never served, (dad did in vietnam and so does my best friend's hubby...two tours in IRaq so far, and the guy's barely been in five years) and I would NEVER be so presumptuous as to say I "know what they're going through" or anything like that; I have never been staring down enemy fire or watch a close friend die in a battle. I don't necessarily think we should have a bunch of "war-monger" types in Congress, but I also don't think that all ex-military are such. I worry that because Iraq and the middle east are so far away, the deaths and hardships of our servicepeople aren't REAL to those "fat cats" (of ALL political parties!) sitting in washington and elsewhere, (or to the vast majority of the american public) who have never seen such things. Also, THEIR kids aren't going over there and coming back in bodybags. It wasn't always like that, and I think that our country's decision-making and politics have suffered, because you have a lot of people making decisions about other's lives (both american and otherwise) who themselves are so padded and isolated from those "others", that they're inanimate objects to manipulate. (and don't even get me started on the pointless political rhetoric....urg.)

Oh, and the media suxs too--Nobody mentions what i've mentioned above, or publicizes the realities of those who DO serve. My best friend whose husband has done two tours (and was in Iraq when their first child was born)? They qualify for food stamps, even with "combat pay". Sure, they get relatively 'free healthcare', though you have to wait over a month for a routine appointment, and you certainly don't choose your doctors, you go where they tell you to go. But it's not like they're living high on the hog. Just kind of pi---s me off.

I feel the same way about lawmakers telling teachers what to do, when they don't know the first thing about teaching. Just not common sense--you're not going to make as good a decision or policy if you're not truly informed.

Sorry for the rant......it's only 9 am but it's been one of those weeks already...... :oops:
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