Another day another veto

Skibo · Post by **Skibo** » June 20, 2007 10:17 am

Bush plans to veto

Fetal stem cell research is not illegal, George Bush just doesn't want the Fed Govt funding it. His position is because of moral grounds. I'm ok with that. I am opposed to it because I don't think the Fed Govt should be funding R&D that will benefit any private enterprise.

There is already a lot of stem cell research going on some is showing promise. Of the research with the best results (that is getting the press), most stems are from adults. Why can't congress pass a bill that supports non-fetal research? I would still be opposed but GB would probably sign it. Here some additional research would be funded - Not that the companies currently in existance are suffering, they have a lot of cash reserves and really don't need the money...now, at least the public companies do.

LaTda! · Post by **LaTda!** » June 20, 2007 10:32 am

It 'will' (soon) benefit many people, not just private enterprises.

That's a weak argument considering our tax dollars are already supporting private companies in Iraq *cough* haliburton, etc *cough*
The end result from them is only helping fill their coffers & isn't helping sick people.
just my 2¢

Skibo · Post by **Skibo** » June 20, 2007 2:54 pm

Well he did veto, but issued an executive order.

Bush's executive order will encourage scientists to work with the government to add research on new stem cell lines that does not involve the creation, harming or destruction of human embryos to the list of projects eligible for federal funding.

Too bad congress couldn't come up with a signable bill.

nerdboy · Post by **nerdboy** » June 20, 2007 2:57 pm

Actually, most of the federal funding goes to public institutions such as universities and hosipitals which rely on NIH (National Institutes of Health) or other govermental funding for support. Most private companies use their own money so that they are exempt from these federal funding restrictions. Many states in the Northeast and CA have started their own stem cell funding intiatives to support researchers so that they do not need to rely on federal funds.

As for the moral issues behind stem cell funding, I must admit I am a bit conflicted. There are serious ethical issues involved, yet possible benefits could be tremendous. I must stress though that these benefits are many years, if not decades away, no matter what the media says. A couple of groups are working on generating "embryonic stem cell-like" cells which might bypass the ethical issues, but again this is still far from being clinically applicabale.

Skibo · Post by **Skibo** » June 20, 2007 3:11 pm

I understand the 'moral' argument, but wonder how the moralists deal with the leftover embryos from the fertility clinics.

ph4ever · Post by **ph4ever** » June 20, 2007 3:50 pm

Bush isn't the only one making stupid vetoes - Conn. Gov. Vetoes Medical read more

12vmanRick · Post by **12vmanRick** » June 20, 2007 6:55 pm

Morals should never enter in a decision where it concerns law.

Post by **SMLCHNG** » June 20, 2007 10:37 pm

12vmanRick wrote:Morals should never enter in a decision where it concerns law.

Agreed.

Nole Pirate · Post by **Nole Pirate** » June 20, 2007 10:43 pm

Another day another veto? Hahahahaha. This is only his third veto in his admin. I am a Republican, but hardly a fan of Bush right now, but dems have gotten really good at playing the victim in recent months.

Wino you know · Post by **Wino you know** » June 20, 2007 10:58 pm

Nole Pirate wrote:Another day another veto? Hahahahaha. This is only his third veto in his admin. I am a Republican, but hardly a fan of Bush right now, but dems have gotten really good at playing the victim in recent decades.

Fixed it for you.

Migration Michelle · Post by **Migration Michelle** » June 20, 2007 11:18 pm

Wino you know wrote:
Nole Pirate wrote:Another day another veto? Hahahahaha. This is only his third veto in his admin. I am a Republican, but hardly a fan of Bush right now, but dems have gotten really good at playing the victim in recent decades.
Fixed it for you.

Bravo Garry!

Wino you know · Post by **Wino you know** » June 20, 2007 11:26 pm

Migration Michelle wrote:Bravo Garry!

Migration Michelle · Post by **Migration Michelle** » June 20, 2007 11:29 pm

Wino you know wrote:
Migration Michelle wrote:Bravo Garry!

Hysterical once again...I don't think I should comment on that shirt. I may be ousted along with the flip flop comment. Time to get some shut eye.

Wino you know · Post by **Wino you know** » June 20, 2007 11:33 pm

Nah, you won't get ousted. More people than you think agree with you. You're just one of the very few to say so openly.

And if they kick YOU out, I'll be right behind you.

jonesbeach10 · Post by **jonesbeach10** » June 21, 2007 12:08 am

Nole Pirate wrote:Another day another veto? Hahahahaha. This is only his third veto in his admin. I am a Republican, but hardly a fan of Bush right now, but dems have gotten really good at playing the victim in recent months.

Well at least two of his vetoes are from stem cell legislation.

And what did the Dems think was going to happen when they took control of Congress? Bush was going to be all candy and roses and sign whatever bills they threw at him?