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I don't follow college football as closely as I used to but I think I agree with what I heard a reporter say earlier this year. Do away with pre-season rankings. A team like Hawaii probably wasn't ranked at all before the season started, or if they were they were at the low end of the Top 25 so they had to climb over everyone. With no pre-season rankings every team has an equal chance once they actually start playing.

CaptainP wrote:

z-man wrote:

CaptainP wrote: LSU had their chance to be the top team TWICE!!!! Let someone more deserving in.

You win the SEC this decade, you should automatically be considered deserving to play in the national championship game.

IMHO

Nope. That would make it the NCAATOITSEC. (National Collegite Athletic Association That Only Includes The SEC.)


Not fair. There are more than 6 conferences.

The BCS was set up so only about 10 teams will EVER get a shot at the title. Even teams from the 6 "Major" conferences won't ever be given a shot.
See my upcoming rants on Missouri and Kansas.

Well; I grew up in Big 10 country - watched Woody and Bo and NotreDame play some mighty good football during the 60s and 70s.

Lived in Texas through the 80s and 90s and watched the Southwest Conference and Big 8 at their best.

Living down here in Orlando the last 10 years, It sure appears to me that top to bottom the SEC is a better league. And as fanatical as the Big 10, SWC and Big 8 (now 12) fans were - SEC fans are completely nuts.

again: IMHO

KANSAS


Why doesn't Kansas get a shot at the title.
They only had one loss, and that was to the 3rd ranked team in the Nation! Otherwise, they took care of business on the field. But got screwed because of when they lost.

Why do we have a 2-loss team in the final, when there are two MAJOR CONFERENCE teams with only 1 loss? Why aren't we seeing if Kansas would have a shot vs. Ohio State?

Because they are not a "traditional powerhouse", that's why.

MISSOURI.


They beat the #1 team in the country 2 weeks ago.
They have 2 losses, both to the #7 team in the country.
They play in a conference that has 3 teams in the top 8
Why aren't they playing for a national title?
See my reasoning above in the Kansas rant.

CaptainP wrote:

z-man wrote:

CaptainP wrote: LSU had their chance to be the top team TWICE!!!! Let someone more deserving in.

You win the SEC this decade, you should automatically be considered deserving to play in the national championship game.

IMHO

What if every team in the SEC is so "Good" that the Champion ends up being a 3-loss team, because they beat each other up so much, while the Big-12 and ACC Champs are both unbeaten. Still putting your precious SEC Champ in the title game?

If other league champs are undefeated, they belong in the Championship Game.

If records are comparable - I think the champion of the strongest league is deserving of the Championship game. Currently, the SEC seems like the overall strongest conference

OKLAHOMA

What about the Sooners?

They just beat the #1 team in the country...
They also are from that power conference that features 3 of the top 8 teams, and they went 2-0 against the other top teams.

True, they lost 2 games. And they lost them to UNRANKED teams.
SO DID LSU....and LSU doesn't have the same win vs. the top ranked team that Oklahoma has.

So why not the Sooners? They are one of those teams that is a "traditional powerhouse". More so than LSU!!!

Because, like I stated much earlier....the BCS had LSU in the Championship game from the beginning. They needed to find a way to make it happen. Believe me, they couldn't be happier about what happened on Saturday. They love the controversy, because it gave them what they wanted, and they really don't ever have to answer for it....

z-man wrote:

CaptainP wrote:

z-man wrote:

CaptainP wrote: LSU had their chance to be the top team TWICE!!!! Let someone more deserving in.

You win the SEC this decade, you should automatically be considered deserving to play in the national championship game.

IMHO

What if every team in the SEC is so "Good" that the Champion ends up being a 3-loss team, because they beat each other up so much, while the Big-12 and ACC Champs are both unbeaten. Still putting your precious SEC Champ in the title game?

If other league champs are undefeated, they belong in the Championship Game.

If records are comparable - I think the champion of the strongest league is deserving of the Championship game. Currently, the SEC seems like the overall strongest conference

Key words..."Seems Like".

*The Big 12 has 3 of the top 8 ranked teams.
*The Big 10 had 8 different teams out of 11 ranked at some point or another this season, including 3 that reached the top 5.

It's all perception. It is unfair to pick a Champion based on OPINION.

Would I like to see a playoff - sure

but the current system is better than the old one
at least we can argue about who should play for the championship.

In the old system:
Ohio State would be playing USC in the Rose Bowl
Oklahoma would be in the Cotton Bowl
LSU would be in the Sugar Bowl
the pollsters would get to sort it out on Jan 2nd.
based on "OPINION"

at least now two of the arguably best teams sort it out on the field.

z-man wrote:Would I like to see a playoff - sure

but the current system is better than the old one
at least we can argue about who should play for the championship.

In the old system:
Ohio State would be playing USC in the Rose Bowl
Oklahoma would be in the Cotton Bowl
LSU would be in the Sugar Bowl

the pollsters get to sort it out on Jan 2nd.
based on "OPINION"

at least now two of the arguably best teams sort it out on the field.

My whole point is that I don't believe that LSU is the second best team.

And 4 of the six computer polls agreed. Most of them had LSU as low as 5th.

The Coaches? They treated this as a joke.
Hawaii did get a number one vote.
Many Coaches voted LSU #1, and dropped OSU as low as 10, just to make sure that their vote helped.
Jim Tressell didn't vote at all.
Oklahoma got 2 #1 votes, including one from Bob Stoops.

If you were a coach, you conceivably could have voted LSU as the #1 team, while voting Idaho #2, Florida International #3, Minnesota #4, and Duke #5. Don't vote for any of the other top teams, and really influence your pick.

CaptainP wrote: Many Coaches voted LSU #1, and dropped OSU as low as 10, just to make sure that their vote helped.
Jim Tressell didn't vote at all.
Oklahoma got 2 #1 votes, including one from Bob Stoops.

Tressel said in the Columbus paper that he voted OSU #1 and LSU #2.
The same article said Miles voted the other way around (LSU 1, OSU 2)

z-man wrote:

CaptainP wrote: Many Coaches voted LSU #1, and dropped OSU as low as 10, just to make sure that their vote helped.
Jim Tressell didn't vote at all.
Oklahoma got 2 #1 votes, including one from Bob Stoops.

Tressel said in the Columbus paper that he voted OSU #1 and LSU #2.
The same article said Miles voted the other way around (LSU 1, OSU 2)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16023636/

Tim Tebow can allegedly bench-press 400 pounds.
Now we know what he lifts to get in that kind of shape:

CaptainP wrote:

z-man wrote:

CaptainP wrote: Many Coaches voted LSU #1, and dropped OSU as low as 10, just to make sure that their vote helped.
Jim Tressell didn't vote at all.
Oklahoma got 2 #1 votes, including one from Bob Stoops.

Tressel said in the Columbus paper that he voted OSU #1 and LSU #2.
The same article said Miles voted the other way around (LSU 1, OSU 2)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16023636/

That is from last year!

z-man wrote:

CaptainP wrote:

z-man wrote:

CaptainP wrote: Many Coaches voted LSU #1, and dropped OSU as low as 10, just to make sure that their vote helped.
Jim Tressell didn't vote at all.
Oklahoma got 2 #1 votes, including one from Bob Stoops.

Tressel said in the Columbus paper that he voted OSU #1 and LSU #2.
The same article said Miles voted the other way around (LSU 1, OSU 2)

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16023636/

That is from last year!

Seriously? Didn't even notice!!! It was posted as a new article!!

CaptainP wrote:Tim Tebow can allegedly bench-press 400 pounds.
Now we know what he lifts to get in that kind of shape:

SPEEEEEEEWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!! That's funy Jim!

CaptainP wrote:Tim Tebow can allegedly bench-press 400 pounds.
Now we know what he lifts to get in that kind of shape:

I gotta go with performance enhancing substances...

RinglingRingling wrote:

CaptainP wrote:Tim Tebow can allegedly bench-press 400 pounds.
Now we know what he lifts to get in that kind of shape:

I gotta go with performance enhancing substances...

"Performance" enhancing?


He'd better not need Viagra with a G-friend like that...

CaptainP wrote:KANSAS


Why doesn't Kansas get a shot at the title.
They only had one loss, and that was to the 3rd ranked team in the Nation! Otherwise, they took care of business on the field. But got screwed because of when they lost.

Why do we have a 2-loss team in the final, when there are two MAJOR CONFERENCE teams with only 1 loss? Why aren't we seeing if Kansas would have a shot vs. Ohio State?

Because they are not a "traditional powerhouse", that's why.

Well Kansas isn't in because Georgia isn't in.
They didn't even get to their conference championship game, let alone win it (which throws Mizzou out of the equation). I think the BCS championship game matchup makes the most sense (if you want to call it that), since both teams won their conference (arguably the 2 toughest in the nation). Ohio State only had one loss, and I think few would argue them in the national championship game. As for LSU, yes they lost twice, but they were both in triple-overtime, and are 6 points away from being undefeated.

If I voted in the poll, I would put OSU 1, LSU 2, OU 3, USC 4, Hawaii 5 (I don't care who you are, it's tough as hell to go undefeated), UGA 6, Va Tech 7, WVU 8 Mizzou 9, Kansas 10. Those would be my 10 BCS teams (obviously, I understand the Rose Bowl going with a Big 10 team in Illinois)

I think what you're alluding to P, is that there has to be a play-off system. I agree.

16 teams, 4 weeks. Conference Champs from the ACC, Big East, SEC, Big 10, Big 12, and Pac 10 get automatic bids with the other 10 being at large.
The top seed gets home field during the first 2 rounds.
Want to preserve the sanctity of the BCS bowls? They would be the semifinals, final, and consolation game and rotate on a yearly basis.
Have a bye week between the quarterfinals and semis so you can at least say you care about academics with a straight face and students can stay on campus and take finals and such.

Let's see how good Hawaii really is when they go up against a traditional powerhouse.
Let's see games we wouldn't normally get to see because schools are too chicken to make tough out of conference games during the regular season.
Give USC a 2nd chance to prove that Stanford was a fluke. Let WVU show that Pitt was a fluke.
Honestly, is arguing about the 16th best school or arguing about the 2nd best school a bigger problem?

CaptainP wrote:

RinglingRingling wrote:

CaptainP wrote:Tim Tebow can allegedly bench-press 400 pounds.
Now we know what he lifts to get in that kind of shape:

I gotta go with performance enhancing substances...

"Performance" enhancing?


He'd better not need Viagra with a G-friend like that...

I believe R2 was saying those are sewn on not grown on..