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Posted: July 17, 2007 7:45 pm
by seminolegrl06
wwwwoooowwww. just wow.

Ok, I am only 23 years old. I have so much to say on this topic, I can barely contain myself. But remember this is a 23 year old talking, who is still in school, who has been dating a guy on and off for 5 years, who finally decided that he was ready to get married and that I am the only girl he could ever do it with. Now I find myself in a lot of predicaments. Forgive and forget the past, concentrate on OUR furture, or concentrate on MY future. I love him, a lot. But sometimes I wonder, how I will feel when I am 40 years old. Having said that,

I think everyone is seriously downplaying how the feminist movement plays a huge role in this discussion. In our socierty today we have woman who say, "go out, go to college, join the army, be in corportate society, run for office, vote, demand equal sports teams and equal pay" but than we have another segment of society that is saying " divorce is on the rise, marriages aren't surviving, there are too many turn key kids, parents aren't invovled in school, etc"

Woman have put themselves in a bind. If we go out and get great jobs, make money, and leave husbands and kids to the backburners we are fridged bitches. If we decide to get married and have kids and stay at home, we are not reaching out potential. We are turning our noses up to all the women who worked hard before us to pave a way. Society makes you feel like you have to choose and whatever you choose is wrong.

I gotta say as a 23 year old starting out my life... Its really hard to make a decision.

What is so wrong with wanting to be with someone? What is soo wrong with enjoy the company of a boyfriend? I have a lot of my own space. He lives in south florida about 7 hours away. Its hard sometimes, but I have fun and enjoy my life. Do I wish he were here? Sure! Why? because I miss him, I miss kissing him. Whats wrong with wanting to kiss someone?

Ok so, now not only are we supposed to decide if we want to be a career driven b****, or a "do nothing" stay at home mom, but now we are supposed to do it alone? WTF?

My grandparents were immigrants to this country, and both my grandmothers worked, in fact both went to college, one of my grandmothers was a nurse and the other opened her own business. Now, were they wrong? no not at all. Where they wrong to quit their jobs when they started a family? no! The war made a different enviroment for them. My grandmother knew if my poppy didn't make it back from the war, she would need that college degree and her talents in fashion. She opened her own bridal boutique. Could she have been the next coco channel? probably. Does she regret it? no! Why should she? she still loves my grandpa 60, yes 60 years later. has 3 wonderful healthy children and 14 wonderful and healthy grandchildren and great grandchildren. She wouldn't trade the 14 of us for all the gold in the world.

Ok so tying this all in together. I want to know what is so wrong about wanting to get married? Why do people have to be alone for years to figure themselves out? honestly, my relationship helped me figure out what I wanted from life. When I came to school I said striaght to law school, than to public office, maybe i will fit kids in my life in my 30s. Now, I love having dinner ready when he comes home from work and I want to start having kids around 27-28. People's life pattern changes. I never ever thought the look on his face when he walks through the door at 5:45 would make me happy. But it does! So why am I to feel wrong for that?

Are there women who are moms, own their own business, and have kids and happy husbands? sure. very few. but I plan on being one of them.

Not everyone can have it all. Maybe YOU needed alone time. Maybe YOU needed to figure out who you were. I figured out what I wanted from life by having a relationship. I realized that I will soon be ready for husband and kids. Does that mean I am not being me? nnnnooooo.

There are plenty of girls who have come to florida state to find a boy to marry, and the funny thing is THAT IS WHAT MAKES THEM HAPPY. Some women WANT to be trophy wives. Some women WANT to play tennis at the country club and pick up the kids from private school in the SUV. That makes them happy. Honestly its really amazing how many moms at my prep school were content on just being that. moms who have husbands with money.

Sometimes women have been in bad relationships long enough they don't know what they even want from a guy anymore. So whats wrong with them dating to figure it out? Why do they have to be alone? because all bitter 40 somethings got together and figured out the way to feel less bad about their failed marriages were to tell themselves they are happier alone? Maybe these women who date, do it for the fun of it?! maybe these woman jump back into relationships because they would have a meltdown otherwise. Maybe for some woman who got out of marriages where there husband cheated or their sex life was bad maybe they need some postive reinforcement to kick in their own self conscious back to thinking "damn I look good today"

Everyone has their own path in life. <--- thats my advice.

Posted: July 17, 2007 8:32 pm
by seminolegrl06
wow, that came off kinda harsh, more harsh than its ment too. :oops:

But this whole idea of needing to figure out who you are, in a society that tells us whatever the decision we make as a woman is wrong, really really p*** me off. Like Big time! :D

Posted: July 17, 2007 8:54 pm
by SMLCHNG
seminolegrl06 wrote:So whats wrong with them dating to figure it out? Why do they have to be alone? Because all bitter 40 somethings got together and figured out the way to feel less bad about their failed marriages were to tell themselves they are happier alone?
My dear... as a 47 year old woman, I assure you I am not bitter, never have been, and I have never gotten together with my friends to discuss my failed marriage. Being ON YOUR OWN is far different than being ALONE.

I'm happily married to a man that I love to cook for, clean for, and spend as much time together as we can.

AND I enjoyed the time I had on my own - but still had a son to be responsible for.

Trust me, you will have a different perspective of life and love when you're a wee bit along in your life.

Posted: July 17, 2007 9:14 pm
by ph4ever
Seminole - speaking as almost a 50 something woman I will have to say this. Penny's right about the perspective thing.

There's not one thing wrong with dating around to find Mr Right - that's what a smart person does.

What I'm talking about is the type of person that settles just for the sake of a relationship and often to the wrong person.

Also, as a mother I am amused at the parents out there that give a bad example to their children and then are surprised when the child makes a bad judgment and the parents they freak out. HELLO WHAT KIND OF EXAMPLE DID YOU SET?

Posted: July 17, 2007 9:25 pm
by ragtopW
Sidew13 wrote:
ragtopW wrote: "Or I could get the right woman and we
could run around the country"

8)
I got the RIGHT woman, and we do 8)
True dat.. 8)

Posted: July 17, 2007 9:27 pm
by ragtopW
txaggirl91 wrote:
do i want to find someone who i can spend the rest of my life with? sure i do. am i going to settle for just anyone? no way. i want someone who is going to be a partner in my life and accepts me for who i am rather than someone who wants to change me into something i am not. i would rather be single than be married and miserable.

You are very wise.. 8) 8) 8)

Posted: July 17, 2007 9:30 pm
by ragtopW
ScarletB wrote:
ragtopW wrote:I'm not sure. I am told all the time
"If you would just get a woman, you would not run around the country
all the time"


I tell them "Or I could get the right woman and we
could run around the country"


8)
They're just jealous because everywhere you "run around" to you get hugged by pretty girls! [smilie=battingeyes.gif] I really think sometimes the ones who push you most to "find someone" are the ones who secretly envy you.
:oops: Thank you.. some of them are the old school married for life
types..

and the funny thing? some of them are the kind I couldn't
date IF I wanted to.. (young,Hip,Trendy... You know)

Posted: July 17, 2007 9:30 pm
by ScarletB
SMLCHNG wrote:
seminolegrl06 wrote:So whats wrong with them dating to figure it out? Why do they have to be alone? Because all bitter 40 somethings got together and figured out the way to feel less bad about their failed marriages were to tell themselves they are happier alone?
My dear... as a 47 year old woman, I assure you I am not bitter, never have been, and I have never gotten together with my friends to discuss my failed marriage. Being ON YOUR OWN is far different than being ALONE.

I'm happily married to a man that I love to cook for, clean for, and spend as much time together as we can.

AND I enjoyed the time I had on my own - but still had a son to be responsible for.

Trust me, you will have a different perspective of life and love when you're a wee bit along in your life.
Well said, as usual Penny!

Posted: July 17, 2007 9:31 pm
by LIPH
12vmanRick wrote:Thank god for hot chicks like Nicole who look past ogre's like me :D
More proof that love is indeed blind. :wink:

Posted: July 17, 2007 9:32 pm
by ragtopW
flipflopgirl wrote:
ScarletB wrote:It's my friends and even acquaintances who get to me. "Why are you so picky?" They can't understand that I'd rather be alone for the right reasons than with someone for the wrong ones. I work with two women who were desperate to find someone after their divorces and I wouldn't be in either of their new marriages for a million dollars. Janice, you pretty much said it all in that last paragraph! I have a good job, a nice home and have secured my own retirement - I want someone to share my life not make it "better" or "complete" in some way. But I've also found that lots of guys don't want you if you can take care of yourself.
Before you all jump on me guys I didn't say ALL guys - I said SOME. :)
But that's probably a whole 'nother thread.

:D
I have found that too! SOME guys are intimidated by a woman who can do and think for herself! :roll: :-?


:lol: :lol: I had a girl break up with me because I could cook better than she.. :lol:

Posted: July 17, 2007 9:33 pm
by LIPH
txaggirl91 wrote:do i want to find someone who i can spend the rest of my life with? sure i do. am i going to settle for just anyone? no way.
I feel the same way. I need a woman who's good enough to deserve someone as wonderful as I am. :lol:

Posted: July 17, 2007 9:33 pm
by ragtopW
txaggirl91 wrote:
flipflopgirl wrote:
ScarletB wrote:It's my friends and even acquaintances who get to me. "Why are you so picky?" They can't understand that I'd rather be alone for the right reasons than with someone for the wrong ones. I work with two women who were desperate to find someone after their divorces and I wouldn't be in either of their new marriages for a million dollars. Janice, you pretty much said it all in that last paragraph! I have a good job, a nice home and have secured my own retirement - I want someone to share my life not make it "better" or "complete" in some way. But I've also found that lots of guys don't want you if you can take care of yourself.
Before you all jump on me guys I didn't say ALL guys - I said SOME. :)
But that's probably a whole 'nother thread.

:D
I have found that too! SOME guys are intimidated by a woman who can do and think for herself! :roll: :-?
you should see how fast they run when i tell them i have a ph.d. :lol:
I can Just see that now..

Posted: July 17, 2007 9:35 pm
by SMLCHNG
LIPH wrote:
txaggirl91 wrote:do i want to find someone who i can spend the rest of my life with? sure i do. am i going to settle for just anyone? no way.
I feel the same way. I need a woman who's good enough to deserve someone as wonderful as I am. :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :P

Posted: July 17, 2007 9:37 pm
by txaggirl91
LIPH wrote:
txaggirl91 wrote:do i want to find someone who i can spend the rest of my life with? sure i do. am i going to settle for just anyone? no way.
I feel the same way. I need a woman who's good enough to deserve someone as wonderful as I am. :lol:
it is going to take a special woman to be able to handle your hotness

Posted: July 17, 2007 9:41 pm
by SMLCHNG
ScarletB wrote: Well said, as usual Penny!
:oops: 8) Thanks, Pam. :D

Posted: July 17, 2007 9:41 pm
by TommyBahama
ragtopW wrote:
Sidew13 wrote:
ragtopW wrote: "Or I could get the right woman and we
could run around the country"

8)
I got the RIGHT woman, and we do 8)
True dat.. 8)
i'm still looking!!!..i guess i'm overly critical and careful...i need to gain trust and honesty 1st with a person.....i guess that is due to past relationships!!!

Posted: July 17, 2007 9:42 pm
by ragtopW
TropicalTroubador wrote:Personally, I blame television. And fairy tales. The phrase "and they lived happily ever after" has a lot to answer for, by Ghu.

I agree with those who say that loving yourself is the best place to start. Problem is, people who try that get derided as "selfish," "smug," etc., mostly by people who can't make money off well-adjusted people and/or those who've been programmed by them.
If I may add.. not just Knowing yourself..
Being OK with who you are..
I admit there are some things about me that could change..
but not any of my Core beliefs or interests

Posted: July 17, 2007 9:48 pm
by pbans
LIPH wrote:
txaggirl91 wrote:do i want to find someone who i can spend the rest of my life with? sure i do. am i going to settle for just anyone? no way.
I feel the same way. I need a woman who's good enough to deserve someone as wonderful as I am. :lol:
yes, you do!

If you find her, we will all happy for you.....and if you don't we will all be happy for you!

Posted: July 17, 2007 9:49 pm
by LIPH
txaggirl91 wrote:
LIPH wrote:
txaggirl91 wrote:do i want to find someone who i can spend the rest of my life with? sure i do. am i going to settle for just anyone? no way.
I feel the same way. I need a woman who's good enough to deserve someone as wonderful as I am. :lol:
it is going to take a special woman to be able to handle your hotness
She'll need asbestos ...





gloves.

Posted: July 17, 2007 9:57 pm
by ScarletB
ragtopW wrote:
flipflopgirl wrote:
ScarletB wrote:It's my friends and even acquaintances who get to me. "Why are you so picky?" They can't understand that I'd rather be alone for the right reasons than with someone for the wrong ones. I work with two women who were desperate to find someone after their divorces and I wouldn't be in either of their new marriages for a million dollars. Janice, you pretty much said it all in that last paragraph! I have a good job, a nice home and have secured my own retirement - I want someone to share my life not make it "better" or "complete" in some way. But I've also found that lots of guys don't want you if you can take care of yourself.
Before you all jump on me guys I didn't say ALL guys - I said SOME. :)
But that's probably a whole 'nother thread.

:D
I have found that too! SOME guys are intimidated by a woman who can do and think for herself! :roll: :-?


:lol: :lol: I had a girl break up with me because I could cook better than she.. :lol:
Gee, ability to cook usually earns extra points in my book! You're well rid of her! :roll: