Chicamauga in False Echos

[BrianM]

Wow...his songs get even better if you do a little research on them and put some more of the pieces together. We should start like a book club type deal where we pick out one song and disect it and research all we can and then have a discussion on it. I might have to much time on my hands.

[davein]

I'm going back and re-reading all the Buffett novels in order, with exception to the "Take another road" short story a second time before I read "A salty piece of land" again.

Of course reading his books leads to listening to many other artists as well. He has references to Little Feet, Rolling Stones, Van Morrison, Beach Boys, and Elvis, etc. He also leads you to other books, like Following the equator, The adventures of Huckleberry Finn, or Treasure Island, or a world atlas.

Jimmy's got a short song on the the Calaloo CD from Best Buy called "Stories from my favorite books" from a Radio Margaritaville session that's really cool.

Margaritaville.com had a monthly list of Jimmy's favorite books, but I haven't seen that for a long time. This is where I saw a reference to "Ship of Gold".

Then "A pirate looks at 50" has his baker's dozen list of books that he would take to a desert island: http://home.att.net/~E.Zeiser/links/pirate.htm

Forgot to mention that reading "Tales from Margaritaville" made me listen to A1A again. Back to his roots.

[conched]

While I was reading Where Is Joe Merchant, I highlighted all the songs and songlines and made a set of CDs I call the Joe Merchant CDs.

I think I found everything on CD except, Babalu back then!!

Maybe time to pull out all those CDs! I sure learned a lot about WHO Jimmy liked!

Al Green
CSN
Steve Goodman
James Taylor
Prince
Grateful Dead
Rollingstones

Songlines easily became storylines.

[Conolulu]

Wow...his songs get even better if you do a little research on them and put some more of the pieces together. We should start like a book club type deal where we pick out one song and disect it and research all we can and then have a discussion on it. I might have to much time on my hands.

Just had to chime in on your signature line......I love Mark's music and that song is one of my favorites, on the new CD....




And thanks, Nancy, and everyone, for all the information! Very cool!

[Tequila Revenge]

How weird!!! I was just skimming Pirate Looks at 50 this morning and read the chapter of Cuban connections..and came across none other than...

"But the roots of my Cuban connection came from my grandfather the sailing-ship captain. He was too in love with wind and sails to give them up for more advanced methods of propulsion. He preferred the feel of a wooden deck under his feet and the romantic ports of call of the Caribbean as his landfalls.

In the years before the Great Depression and World War II he plied the warm waters of the Caribbean as skipper of a five mastered barkentine, named the Chicamauga, to the various ancient ports that dated back to precolonial days.



*His grandfather was the captain of the Chicamauga and opened the door to Jimmy's cuban connection. He also told a story about a family legend when on Jimmy's father's first birthday, his grandfather raised all the flags next to the shore of the Cuban harbor in honor of. The boats lined in the harbor were concerned and radioed to find out why all Buffett's flags were flying. When he said the reason, all boats in the harbor raised their flags as well. This took place in the Havana Harbor.

And there I conclude, Chicamauga.

THANKS!!!

It's cool to sit down with the lyrics and listen to the song for the "first time" with all the cool info. Changes the mental imagery for me and definately adds a more of a conveyance of emotion too.

[Finnsaremorefun]

No problem!

Being only 20 I'm still an up and comer picking up knowledge. Feels good to sound smart

[Tarheel Tail-Gator]

Cool Thread

Thanks for asking, researching and posting!

[SusanNJ]

This is an awesome thread. Anyone ever heard Jimmy do this song live?

[conched]

This is an awesome thread. Anyone ever heard Jimmy do this song live?

Don't think it will ever happen.

[gingerbreadman]

This is an awesome thread. Anyone ever heard Jimmy do this song live?

Don't think it will ever happen.

Yeah, probably won't ever happen. But looking at this song in the database,

http://www.buffettnews.com/song190.html

I'd guess the only ones that ever heard this live are Jimmy, James and/or Ben Taylor, and the sound engineers for Banana Wind.

[blondebamaboy]

For several years the ship was docked in Mobile Bay where an illegal casino was operated and perhap prostitution. One evening, a unhappy customer decided to burn the ship.

I have recently obtained the rights to recover the remnants of the ship and I am researching the history of it. That is how I happened upon this site.

I will be conducting interviews with Lucy Buffett and other locals to get as much information on the colorful past of this piece of history. If I am able to obtain enough, I plan on publishing it in book form.

If anyone has any stories or information on this, please email me and let me know. I will probably post a website to show the artifacts found and to collect stories.

Please let me know any info anyone may have on this, so that it can be included in the research.

Blondebamaboy

[chippewa]

For several years the ship was docked in Mobile Bay where an illegal casino was operated and perhap prostitution. One evening, a unhappy customer decided to burn the ship.

I have recently obtained the rights to recover the remnants of the ship and I am researching the history of it. That is how I happened upon this site.

I will be conducting interviews with Lucy Buffett and other locals to get as much information on the colorful past of this piece of history. If I am able to obtain enough, I plan on publishing it in book form.

If anyone has any stories or information on this, please email me and let me know. I will probably post a website to show the artifacts found and to collect stories.

Please let me know any info anyone may have on this, so that it can be included in the research.

Blondebamaboy

How interesting!

and welcome to BN!

[OceanCityGirl]

Welcome to bn. I"m definitely interested in your subject area. I just finished my thesis on the early history of shipwreck diving and treasure hunting and how this contributed to the beginning of marine archaeology.

[conched]

For several years the ship was docked in Mobile Bay where an illegal casino was operated and perhap prostitution. One evening, a unhappy customer decided to burn the ship.

I have recently obtained the rights to recover the remnants of the ship and I am researching the history of it. That is how I happened upon this site.

I will be conducting interviews with Lucy Buffett and other locals to get as much information on the colorful past of this piece of history. If I am able to obtain enough, I plan on publishing it in book form.

If anyone has any stories or information on this, please email me and let me know. I will probably post a website to show the artifacts found and to collect stories.

Please let me know any info anyone may have on this, so that it can be included in the research.

Blondebamaboy

For some reason this sounds familiar, but sounds like a different ship I read about. Can't think of the name right now. It ended up out in California and was burned.

[blondebamaboy]

I think I have everything in order and have hired an excellent Salvage company to work on this operation.

We will begin the salvaging of the Chicamauga next week on Mobile Bay.

If Buffettnews.com would let me, I would like to post a video Blog on this site, updating it with videos from this operation. We are excited about this project.. it is almost like diggin up ole Pirate treasures.

[conched]

Great idea. Thanks for the history, etc.

[Snowparrot]

amazing! we'll be watching...

[mac622]

That would be cool...please do

[blondebamaboy]

This afternoon we started working on the recovery of the Chicamauga. Unfortunatly most of the ship have decayed. There is about 2 feet of mud and sand over most of the ship, but even more in the center of the hull.

Today was mostly spent trying to identify the size and location of the parts of the ship. As we remove the sand and mud, pieces of the hull would float to the surface. This shows that the hull of the ship is not in tact.

We have found of course the hull, ribs, and parts of the deck. If the deck had survived the fire, anything below the deck should be in contact.

The condition of the wood and metal objects vary... Most of the wood is rotten and crumbles to the touch, but some of it is as strong as the day it was put on. The ship was held together by large iron stakes. Like the wood, some would crumble to the touch but some seem to be found in remarkable condition.

Because of the amount of mud and silt at the site, there is no visibility. All of the recovery is being do by feel.

We also a too friendly alligator curious as to what we are doing. Last Thursday he was floating over the wreck. I figured that once we turned on the pump and was moving around in the water, we would not see him any longer, but he has been seen hanging out across the water from the wreck just this morning.

We have a netting system around the wreck to keep the silt we stir up and any artifacts from leaving the area. I just hope it also helps to keep the alligator out while we are feeling around under the water.

More later...

[conched]

Thanks so much for sharing. Looking forward to more!