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Post by RinglingRingling »

Tiki Bar wrote:
CaptainP wrote:
RinglingRingling wrote:
CaptainP wrote:
RinglingRingling wrote:
CaptainP wrote:Let me try:


It's not that bad, my opinion.

The night I tried it, I was sitting at a CIP. I saw it, felt obligated to try it.
it works, kinda like the beer. Not great, but it works. :D
But you have to agree, the story is much better with Mr. Russler....

(I was also waiting for Tiki Bar, Harbor Baby, and Lisa34, but they didn't seem relevant to the story...)
I'll mention you said they were irrelevant.. :D
They're used to it... :wink:
I had a Beach Bum Ale too when I got there... Tiki Bar = relevant! :wink: :lol:

Agree with your analysis on the taste. I'd drink more with Johnny Russler of the Beach Bum Band, just because. Especially since the curly blonde haired dude's resemblance to Johnny is uncanny! (See my avatar.)

Miller Chill... UNdrinkable, with a license to chill or not!

And you can never go wrong with a Red Stripe!! :D
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CaptainP wrote:Wasn't that bad, my opinion.

The night I tried it, I was sitting at a CIP, waiting for Johnny Russler to meet up with me....(Johnny Russler of the "Beach Bum Band".) I saw it, felt obligated to try it.
Took some to Chicago & Cincy this summer. It wasn't my favorite, but mostly bought them to pass out. (to others, not drink myself into a coma) :wink:

Got a shot of Johnny with one in Chicago. Dude on the bottle kinda looks like him. 8)

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chippewa wrote:
CaptainP wrote:Wasn't that bad, my opinion.

The night I tried it, I was sitting at a CIP, waiting for Johnny Russler to meet up with me....(Johnny Russler of the "Beach Bum Band".) I saw it, felt obligated to try it.
Took some to Chicago & Cincy this summer. It wasn't my favorite, but mostly bought them to pass out. (to others, not drink myself into a coma) :wink:

Got a shot of Johnny with one in Chicago. Dude on the bottle kinda looks like him. 8)

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That is the exact photo I thought of when I started reading this thread about Beach Bum Ale.

What a great shot.
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conched wrote:
chippewa wrote:
CaptainP wrote:Wasn't that bad, my opinion.

The night I tried it, I was sitting at a CIP, waiting for Johnny Russler to meet up with me....(Johnny Russler of the "Beach Bum Band".) I saw it, felt obligated to try it.
Took some to Chicago & Cincy this summer. It wasn't my favorite, but mostly bought them to pass out. (to others, not drink myself into a coma) :wink:

Got a shot of Johnny with one in Chicago. Dude on the bottle kinda looks like him. 8)

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That is the exact photo I thought of when I started reading this thread about Beach Bum Ale.

What a great shot.
Especially with the cute little LandShark advertisement in the background!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Longboardn',

I made the mistake of including a bottle of the Beach Blond in a mix n match 6 pack I put together at a store that lets us do that here in Grand Haven. If I had noticed it was brewed by Anh. Busch I would NEVER have included it as I would have instantly known that it was some hack attempt at an IPA.

As I was opening the bottle, I noticed who brewed it. I expected the worst at that point and my expectations were met. It was awful. Weak, watery, no flavor. Echhhh. Brings back memories of the terrible after taste.

I actually really like Landshark. I think AN Busch just copied the Corona formula. It makes me happier to drink that instead of beer that Lord knows what is done to it in a Mexican brewery.

Haven't tried Miller Chill though it is everywhere her in GH/Muskegon cuz we're right across the lake from Milwaukee and Miller/Miller Lite is probably the most popular beer in town.

A beer I am sick of is Bell's Oberon. It was fun/intersting when it first came out. But it's just become boring and I resent that it's supplanted other decent beers as the house "micro brew" at most bars and restaurants in our area. I think the beers from the Traverse City Brewing Company were way better but it seems like the ubiquity of Oberon has eclipsed the chance of other Michigan micros to get exposure.

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Friends of mine tried it one night when we were out at a CW bar a month ago (I felt obligated to drink Bud longnecks) They all seemed to like it, probably because nowhere in the promotional materials did it say AB. If it had they most likely wouldn't have ordered it.
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Post by sonofabeach »

I have not tried Beach Bum Ale but I like Miller Chill and Landshark.
I guess I'm just easy to please and can almost drink anything.
Once the first couple are out of the way they all start tasting the same anyway. Hell, Natural Light is one of my favorites.

I've seen Beach Bum Ale at the store but have not tried it as of yet but I probably will. And a Red Stripe or six does not sound like a bad idea right now :lol:
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I'm on a Pacifco kick lately. Really like that stuff. Image
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Catch&Release wrote:
A beer I am sick of is Bell's Oberon. It was fun/intersting when it first came out. But it's just become boring and I resent that it's supplanted other decent beers as the house "micro brew" at most bars and restaurants in our area. I think the beers from the Traverse City Brewing Company were way better but it seems like the ubiquity of Oberon has eclipsed the chance of other Michigan micros to get exposure.
Last month I drank a pint of Bell's Oberon with none other than Larry Bell at Kalamazoo's Bell's brewery and beergarten.

Since namedropping is a part of this thread, I may as well point out that he only came to our table to kick us out.
I defied his doorman, then his manager, refused to cave in to their demands and spoke to Mrs. Bell instead. She summoned Larry, and we had quite a conversation.
I have since found out that according to Black's law dictionary an attorney is one who represents others, as opposed to an attorney at law who is licensed by the state bar.
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Longboardn' ASEL&S

Black's Law Dictionary is only used as a learning tool and a reference of last resort when there isn't state law or common law directly on point. It's basically the Gray's Anatomy (the book, not the goofy show :roll: ) of the legal profession.

If someone's citing Black's, chances are they're straining to do some esplaining. It's much more persuasive to say something like, as was explained in Buffett v. Chesney, 447 (volume number) Mich 212 (page number) (2007 - year of publication), the Michigan Supreme Court defined Chesney's music as "insuferrable dreck which clearly plagiarizes directly from the lyrics and spirit of Plaintiff Jimmy Buffett's song "Margaritaville". Using this logic, Plaintiff, Jimmy Buffett again seeks a cease and desist order as well as compensation from Defendant, Kenny Chesney in this case as Chesney's latest CD is, once again, the identical "insuferrable dreck which clearly plagiarizes directly from the lyrics and spirit of Plaintiff Jimmy Buffett's song 'Margaritaville'" as was previously ruled by the Michigan Supreme Court in i]Buffett v. Chesney[/i], 447 Mich 212 (2007).

You really want another Court of your State or your Federal Circuit setting forth the explanation of why your client's position is in accord with prior judicial explanations or with statutes.

Just saying I win because Black's Law Dictionary says I win wont hold too much water.

As to the difference of "attorney" vs "attorney at law" I don't know. Anyone can serve as their own "attorney" and such self representation by someone not licensed to the bar is referred to as representation in pro per.

When an attorney represents themselves, it's representation "in pro se"

Someone NOT licensed to practice law cannot stand as someone else's attorney. Such representation requiring the services of a licensed lawyer, I suppose, would be the "attorney at law" designation to which you refer.

I am sure that doesn't answer anything. But that's the beauty of law; much more often than not a client can find a lawyer willing to argue the opposite of the other side's position. :pirate:

Oh yeah...Next time you see Mr. Bell, ask him to market his Two Hearted and Third Coast Ales more aggressively. I'd rather have those any day over OBERON. :D
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Catch&Release wrote:
Oh yeah...Next time you see Mr. Bell, ask him to market his Two Hearted and Third Coast Ales more aggressively. I'd rather have those any day over OBERON. :D
I'll be in Holland (just down the coast from you) this Sat., and Kalamazoo a week from Monday.
If I see Larry B, I'll relay your suggestions to him. I'll be sure to down a pint of each for you sort of as an act of
BN professional courtesy.

The real issue/question of the day was this:
Can one claim to be an "attorney" for the purpose of making their point seem more credible, even if they are neither a Juris Doctor nor member of the bar, provided they have been selected by others to represent them in business matters as their advocate, as long as they do not claim to be an attorney at law?
Black's gives multiple definitions of the word.

Here's an example of the question:
BNers are pi$$ed off that the tailgate at a specific JB show has banned beads and pirate flags, but are told by the security guards that it is not the venue that is to blame, but rather that state law prohibits both of those items.
Not known for gullibility, a few BNers e-mail LIPH Larry and ask if he will represent them to straighten out this unfair practice.
Larry says he is a research attorney, and is to busy travelling around seeing Jimmy to take on the matter.
They then ask Catch & Release, who says that when he's not representing plaintiffs, he's busy tricking fish and then showing them what a nice guy he really is by letting them go and eating a burger instead.
He urges them to download and print out his card, and reminds them to give him a call if a guard ever roughs them up for wearing beads and carrying a pirate flag.
Disappointed, they PM Longboardn'.
"LB", they say, "We know you are not a lawyer, but you'll stand up to these guys for us, won't you?"
Longboardn' wants to say no, but they entice him with a case of Landshark Lager, and he agrees. They even sign a contract saying that he will try his best to convince the chief of security at the concert to change his mind based on the absence of any state regs prohibiting the stuff.
At the tailgate, LB gets nowhere with the Top Cop.
Frustrated, he says " Look, I am an attorney, and I know of what I speak. I represent several members of a Buffett group, and they are allowed by the state to wear beads and carry pirate flags".
The guard is caught OFF-guard, and says "O.K., but just this once".
Did Longboardn' violate the state legal practice act by falsley claiming to be a lawyer , or since he never claimed to be an attorney at law, was he not being misleading, and instead just claiming his current position as advocate or attorney outside of the scope of the legal system?
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Catch&Release wrote: It's much more persuasive to say something like, as was explained in Buffett v. Chesney, 447 (volume number) Mich 212 (page number) (2007 - year of publication), the Michigan Supreme Court defined Chesney's music as "insuferrable dreck which clearly plagiarizes directly from the lyrics and spirit of Plaintiff Jimmy Buffett's song "Margaritaville". Using this logic, Plaintiff, Jimmy Buffett again seeks a cease and desist order as well as compensation from Defendant, Kenny Chesney in this case as Chesney's latest CD is, once again, the identical "insuferrable dreck which clearly plagiarizes directly from the lyrics and spirit of Plaintiff Jimmy Buffett's song 'Margaritaville'" as was previously ruled by the Michigan Supreme Court in i]Buffett v. Chesney[/i], 447 Mich 212 (2007).
Boy, if only that was how our legal system REALLY worked!
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Longboardn' ASEL&S wrote:
Catch&Release wrote: It's much more persuasive to say something like, as was explained in Buffett v. Chesney, 447 (volume number) Mich 212 (page number) (2007 - year of publication), the Michigan Supreme Court defined Chesney's music as "insuferrable dreck which clearly plagiarizes directly from the lyrics and spirit of Plaintiff Jimmy Buffett's song "Margaritaville". Using this logic, Plaintiff, Jimmy Buffett again seeks a cease and desist order as well as compensation from Defendant, Kenny Chesney in this case as Chesney's latest CD is, once again, the identical "insuferrable dreck which clearly plagiarizes directly from the lyrics and spirit of Plaintiff Jimmy Buffett's song 'Margaritaville'" as was previously ruled by the Michigan Supreme Court in i]Buffett v. Chesney[/i], 447 Mich 212 (2007).
Boy, if only that was how our legal system REALLY worked!
we'd never have to listen to Cheeseney croak out a song released after "She Thinks My Tractor's Sexy" and could die happy? :)
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Longboardn,

Assuming the show is at DTE, Comerica Park, Ford Field or another Michigan venue, for which State I am licensed to render such advice when not catching and releasing fish (including hopefully some salmon in 2 weeks in the Sault rapids), I think you are clearly barred from representing that you are the hapless parrotheads' attorney according to:

M.C.L.A. 600.916

600.916. Unauthorized practice of law


Sec. 916. (1) A person shall not practice law or engage in the law business, shall not in any manner whatsoever lead others to believe that he or she is authorized to practice law or to engage in the law business, and shall not in any manner whatsoever represent or designate himself or herself as an attorney and counselor, attorney at law, or lawyer, unless the person is regularly licensed and authorized to practice law in this state. A person who violates this section is guilty of contempt of the supreme court and of the circuit court of the county in which the violation occurred, and upon conviction is punishable as provided by law. This section does not apply to a person who is duly licensed and authorized to practice law in another state while temporarily in this state and engaged in a particular matter.


(2) A domestic violence victim advocate's assistance that is provided in accordance with section 2950c does not violate this section.

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Amended by P.A.2000, No. 112, Eff. July 1, 2000.
HISTORICAL AND STATUTORY NOTES

Thus, while I understand that the technical designation of "attorney at law" vs "attorney" is not necessarily spelled out in the statute, it's prohibition is against leading others to believe that you are licensed to practice. While you did not say "I am an attorney at law" your intent was clearly to have others believe that you are in fact an "attorney" acting on behalf of others.

You should represent yourself as the PH "advocate". As far as statutes go, the above statute is fairly clear.

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Catch&Release wrote:Longboardn,

Assuming the show is at DTE, Comerica Park, Ford Field or another Michigan venue, for which State I am licensed to render such advice when not catching and releasing fish (including hopefully some salmon in 2 weeks in the Sault rapids), I think you are clearly barred from representing that you are the hapless parrotheads' attorney according to:

M.C.L.A. 600.916
Don't release those Chinooks/Kings! They're just too tastey!

I guess M.C.L.A. trumps Black's.
Good thing those beads and flags were just hypotheticals.
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Longboardn,

I'll be fishing for pink salmon and there may be some kings mixed in. I may keep a couple pinks at the end of the day. It's too much of a pain lugging them around all day. I don't keep the kings cuz my girl doesn't eat fish and 10 lbs of filets usually get freezer burn before I get around to eating them. The steelhead and brown trout always get released cuz they are magnificent.

Enjoy your trips. New Holland Brewery in downtown Holland has some decent beer though ya can't mixed drinks there cuz Ottawa County is goofy and doesn't let microbreweries also sell liquor.
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Catch&Release wrote:Longboardn,



Enjoy your trips. New Holland Brewery in downtown Holland has some decent beer though ya can't mixed drinks there cuz Ottawa County is goofy and doesn't let microbreweries also sell liquor.
I'm flyin' the 4 place plane to Holland, Diet Coke will be as exotic as I get.
K-Zoo will depend on weather and ground transportation availability, but if I drive instead of fly, Bell's will be on my itinerary.

I'll give my wife your card just in case.................
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You guys have had too much fun with this thread.... first it was beer talk at breakfast time, and now fine points of hypthetical legal cases.
As an editor and sometime terminologist, I can agree that an "advocate" is the less-professional but still valid version of an "attorney", and I say, "Go for it Al," as long as beads and pirate flags are the only booty at stake.
But I don't want those lawyers messing with my teeth, so perhaps you had better cool your jets!

Come over to Canada for some good beer, eh!
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Post by Longboardn' ASEL&S »

Snowparrot wrote:You guys have had too much fun with this thread.... first it was beer talk at breakfast time, and now fine points of hypthetical legal cases.
As an editor and sometime terminologist, I can agree that an "advocate" is the less-professional but still valid version of an "attorney", and I say, "Go for it Al," as long as beads and pirate flags are the only booty at stake.
But I don't want those lawyers messing with my teeth, so perhaps you had better cool your jets!

Come over to Canada for some good beer, eh!
And while you were busy typing I morphed it into aviation!
How cool is this thread!!
Cool my jets? I'm just getting ready to spool 'em up!
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I am fond of both beer and aviation, come to think of it.
Aren't you going to fly up (over) to Toronto on Sept. 5? You could land at the Island Airport, I think; it's still general aviation, as far as I know.
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