MelliJellyBean wrote:So sad to see this news that men that were so brave to go in there to help others have perished themselves. It's always a risky task..that's why it always goes pretty slow, unfortantely.
This hits home because, as I mentioned last year with the WV Sago mine disaster, my father is a coal miner and been so for nearly 30 years now.
With that said, he did tell me something interesting about the owner, Bob Murray. Apparently, he can not be trusted. He used to work in the Pennsylvania area where my dad works...didnt' pay his workers, etc. It looks to be that they were mining the area wrong and it was a shift in pressure, not an earthquake..
Anyway, very sad news....I'm losing hope that those miners are alive now.
saw that too. The news stories talked about the method used at this mine, and why most companies in this country refuse to use that method (it creates situations like this more easily than other methods).
Had not heard anything about the owner tho, tho he has been getting a lot of face-time in front of the cameras.
MelliJellyBean wrote:So sad to see this news that men that were so brave to go in there to help others have perished themselves. It's always a risky task..that's why it always goes pretty slow, unfortantely.
This hits home because, as I mentioned last year with the WV Sago mine disaster, my father is a coal miner and been so for nearly 30 years now.
With that said, he did tell me something interesting about the owner, Bob Murray. Apparently, he can not be trusted. He used to work in the Pennsylvania area where my dad works...didnt' pay his workers, etc. It looks to be that they were mining the area wrong and it was a shift in pressure, not an earthquake..
Anyway, very sad news....I'm losing hope that those miners are alive now.
saw that too. The news stories talked about the method used at this mine, and why most companies in this country refuse to use that method (it creates situations like this more easily than other methods).
Had not heard anything about the owner tho, tho he has been getting a lot of face-time in front of the cameras.
There has been a lot of controversy over him the last few days.....same kinds of things swirling around in the media. I don't like him....just his demeanor.
Paige in Utah
"Don't try to shake it, just nod your head
Breathe in, breathe out, move on"
MelliJellyBean wrote:So sad to see this news that men that were so brave to go in there to help others have perished themselves. It's always a risky task..that's why it always goes pretty slow, unfortantely.
This hits home because, as I mentioned last year with the WV Sago mine disaster, my father is a coal miner and been so for nearly 30 years now.
With that said, he did tell me something interesting about the owner, Bob Murray. Apparently, he can not be trusted. He used to work in the Pennsylvania area where my dad works...didnt' pay his workers, etc. It looks to be that they were mining the area wrong and it was a shift in pressure, not an earthquake..
Anyway, very sad news....I'm losing hope that those miners are alive now.
saw that too. The news stories talked about the method used at this mine, and why most companies in this country refuse to use that method (it creates situations like this more easily than other methods).
Had not heard anything about the owner tho, tho he has been getting a lot of face-time in front of the cameras.
There has been a lot of controversy over him the last few days.....same kinds of things swirling around in the media. I don't like him....just his demeanor.
Couldn't agree more. From the beginning, his terminology of "earthquake" and later, "seismic activity" will lead listeners to think these were natural processes, when in fact the cause might be the type of mining. Always seems to have to add "I was there this 2 a.m." or "I escorted family members".... He originally said there was no retreat mining, but others are saying that's not the case. My opinion, he got busted doing some shaky stuff and knows he's going to be called on it. Off my soap box...
and major Phin Power to the miners, rescuers and their families.
Murray is a class A JERK! He got caught but won't own up to it like a man! He's quite the weasel for sure.
As Paige said we have some very close friends who this is affecting horribly as you can imagine. The husband is a miner *though not in Crandall Canyon* and he HAD to go to work last night after all of this came out in the news. You can imagine the great fear and apprehension of ALL miners and families who were to report to work last night and today.
Our friends are also very close friends with the Mine Safety and Health inspector who was tragically killed last night. They live 3 miles apart from each other.
They can definitely use some phin power and prayer!!!
MelliJellyBean wrote:So sad to see this news that men that were so brave to go in there to help others have perished themselves. It's always a risky task..that's why it always goes pretty slow, unfortantely.
This hits home because, as I mentioned last year with the WV Sago mine disaster, my father is a coal miner and been so for nearly 30 years now.
With that said, he did tell me something interesting about the owner, Bob Murray. Apparently, he can not be trusted. He used to work in the Pennsylvania area where my dad works...didnt' pay his workers, etc. It looks to be that they were mining the area wrong and it was a shift in pressure, not an earthquake..
Anyway, very sad news....I'm losing hope that those miners are alive now.
saw that too. The news stories talked about the method used at this mine, and why most companies in this country refuse to use that method (it creates situations like this more easily than other methods).
Had not heard anything about the owner tho, tho he has been getting a lot of face-time in front of the cameras.
There has been a lot of controversy over him the last few days.....same kinds of things swirling around in the media. I don't like him....just his demeanor.
Early on, my natural inclination was to give him the benefit of a doubt considering the situation, but the more he talks, the worse it gets. I am now thinking there is something he may be hiding. That industry has so much regulation, it is almost impossible for him to get away with anything illegal without accomplices from both the govt regulation and the union. Is this a union mine? Why has the UMW been silent? I have a very bad feeling about this whole situation.
MelliJellyBean wrote:So sad to see this news that men that were so brave to go in there to help others have perished themselves. It's always a risky task..that's why it always goes pretty slow, unfortantely.
This hits home because, as I mentioned last year with the WV Sago mine disaster, my father is a coal miner and been so for nearly 30 years now.
With that said, he did tell me something interesting about the owner, Bob Murray. Apparently, he can not be trusted. He used to work in the Pennsylvania area where my dad works...didnt' pay his workers, etc. It looks to be that they were mining the area wrong and it was a shift in pressure, not an earthquake..
Anyway, very sad news....I'm losing hope that those miners are alive now.
saw that too. The news stories talked about the method used at this mine, and why most companies in this country refuse to use that method (it creates situations like this more easily than other methods).
Had not heard anything about the owner tho, tho he has been getting a lot of face-time in front of the cameras.
There has been a lot of controversy over him the last few days.....same kinds of things swirling around in the media. I don't like him....just his demeanor.
Early on, my natural inclination was to give him the benefit of a doubt considering the situation, but the more he talks, the worse it gets. I am now thinking there is something he may be hiding. That industry has so much regulation, it is almost impossible for him to get away with anything illegal without accomplices from both the govt regulation and the union. Is this a union mine? Why has the UMW been silent? I have a very bad feeling about this whole situation.
If I were gambling, I'd say it is not a UMW house....
MelliJellyBean wrote:So sad to see this news that men that were so brave to go in there to help others have perished themselves. It's always a risky task..that's why it always goes pretty slow, unfortantely.
This hits home because, as I mentioned last year with the WV Sago mine disaster, my father is a coal miner and been so for nearly 30 years now.
With that said, he did tell me something interesting about the owner, Bob Murray. Apparently, he can not be trusted. He used to work in the Pennsylvania area where my dad works...didnt' pay his workers, etc. It looks to be that they were mining the area wrong and it was a shift in pressure, not an earthquake..
Anyway, very sad news....I'm losing hope that those miners are alive now.
saw that too. The news stories talked about the method used at this mine, and why most companies in this country refuse to use that method (it creates situations like this more easily than other methods).
Had not heard anything about the owner tho, tho he has been getting a lot of face-time in front of the cameras.
There has been a lot of controversy over him the last few days.....same kinds of things swirling around in the media. I don't like him....just his demeanor.
Early on, my natural inclination was to give him the benefit of a doubt considering the situation, but the more he talks, the worse it gets. I am now thinking there is something he may be hiding. That industry has so much regulation, it is almost impossible for him to get away with anything illegal without accomplices from both the govt regulation and the union. Is this a union mine? Why has the UMW been silent? I have a very bad feeling about this whole situation.
If I were gambling, I'd say it is not a UMW house....
from wikipedia, so use your judgment
By 2007, only one of the six Murray Energy mines once represented by the UMW was still unionized.
MSNBC says "The UMW, which represents workers at one of Murray’s mines in Ohio..."
So it sounds as if this is not a union mine.
Also read that the "coal pillars" Murray has talked about would only be used in retreat mining, not other methods.
MelliJellyBean wrote:So sad to see this news that men that were so brave to go in there to help others have perished themselves. It's always a risky task..that's why it always goes pretty slow, unfortantely.
This hits home because, as I mentioned last year with the WV Sago mine disaster, my father is a coal miner and been so for nearly 30 years now.
With that said, he did tell me something interesting about the owner, Bob Murray. Apparently, he can not be trusted. He used to work in the Pennsylvania area where my dad works...didnt' pay his workers, etc. It looks to be that they were mining the area wrong and it was a shift in pressure, not an earthquake..
Anyway, very sad news....I'm losing hope that those miners are alive now.
saw that too. The news stories talked about the method used at this mine, and why most companies in this country refuse to use that method (it creates situations like this more easily than other methods).
Had not heard anything about the owner tho, tho he has been getting a lot of face-time in front of the cameras.
There has been a lot of controversy over him the last few days.....same kinds of things swirling around in the media. I don't like him....just his demeanor.
Early on, my natural inclination was to give him the benefit of a doubt considering the situation, but the more he talks, the worse it gets. I am now thinking there is something he may be hiding. That industry has so much regulation, it is almost impossible for him to get away with anything illegal without accomplices from both the govt regulation and the union. Is this a union mine? Why has the UMW been silent? I have a very bad feeling about this whole situation.
If I were gambling, I'd say it is not a UMW house....
from wikipedia, so use your judgment
By 2007, only one of the six Murray Energy mines once represented by the UMW was still unionized.
MSNBC says "The UMW, which represents workers at one of Murray’s mines in Ohio..."
So it sounds as if this is not a union mine.
Also read that the "coal pillars" Murray has talked about would only be used in retreat mining, not other methods.
and if I remember correctly, UT is a "Right to Work" state, so not a lot of support for the concept of unions to balance the playing field against a guy like Murray.
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saw that too. The news stories talked about the method used at this mine, and why most companies in this country refuse to use that method (it creates situations like this more easily than other methods).
Had not heard anything about the owner tho, tho he has been getting a lot of face-time in front of the cameras.
There has been a lot of controversy over him the last few days.....same kinds of things swirling around in the media. I don't like him....just his demeanor.
Early on, my natural inclination was to give him the benefit of a doubt considering the situation, but the more he talks, the worse it gets. I am now thinking there is something he may be hiding. That industry has so much regulation, it is almost impossible for him to get away with anything illegal without accomplices from both the govt regulation and the union. Is this a union mine? Why has the UMW been silent? I have a very bad feeling about this whole situation.
If I were gambling, I'd say it is not a UMW house....
from wikipedia, so use your judgment
By 2007, only one of the six Murray Energy mines once represented by the UMW was still unionized.
MSNBC says "The UMW, which represents workers at one of Murray’s mines in Ohio..."
So it sounds as if this is not a union mine.
Also read that the "coal pillars" Murray has talked about would only be used in retreat mining, not other methods.
and if I remember correctly, UT is a "Right to Work" state, so not a lot of support for the concept of unions to balance the playing field against a guy like Murray.
that is correct.....unions have little or no influence in Utah......
Paige in Utah
"Don't try to shake it, just nod your head
Breathe in, breathe out, move on"
MelliJellyBean wrote:So sad to see this news that men that were so brave to go in there to help others have perished themselves. It's always a risky task..that's why it always goes pretty slow, unfortantely.
This hits home because, as I mentioned last year with the WV Sago mine disaster, my father is a coal miner and been so for nearly 30 years now.
With that said, he did tell me something interesting about the owner, Bob Murray. Apparently, he can not be trusted. He used to work in the Pennsylvania area where my dad works...didnt' pay his workers, etc. It looks to be that they were mining the area wrong and it was a shift in pressure, not an earthquake..
Anyway, very sad news....I'm losing hope that those miners are alive now.
saw that too. The news stories talked about the method used at this mine, and why most companies in this country refuse to use that method (it creates situations like this more easily than other methods).
Had not heard anything about the owner tho, tho he has been getting a lot of face-time in front of the cameras.
There has been a lot of controversy over him the last few days.....same kinds of things swirling around in the media. I don't like him....just his demeanor.
Early on, my natural inclination was to give him the benefit of a doubt considering the situation, but the more he talks, the worse it gets. I am now thinking there is something he may be hiding. That industry has so much regulation, it is almost impossible for him to get away with anything illegal without accomplices from both the govt regulation and the union. Is this a union mine? Why has the UMW been silent? I have a very bad feeling about this whole situation.
Early on, there were reports that the mine had dozens of safety violations.
And, every geologist I have heard has refuted his claims of seismic activity in the area.
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MelliJellyBean wrote:So sad to see this news that men that were so brave to go in there to help others have perished themselves. It's always a risky task..that's why it always goes pretty slow, unfortantely.
This hits home because, as I mentioned last year with the WV Sago mine disaster, my father is a coal miner and been so for nearly 30 years now.
With that said, he did tell me something interesting about the owner, Bob Murray. Apparently, he can not be trusted. He used to work in the Pennsylvania area where my dad works...didnt' pay his workers, etc. It looks to be that they were mining the area wrong and it was a shift in pressure, not an earthquake..
Anyway, very sad news....I'm losing hope that those miners are alive now.
saw that too. The news stories talked about the method used at this mine, and why most companies in this country refuse to use that method (it creates situations like this more easily than other methods).
Had not heard anything about the owner tho, tho he has been getting a lot of face-time in front of the cameras.
There has been a lot of controversy over him the last few days.....same kinds of things swirling around in the media. I don't like him....just his demeanor.
MelliJellyBean wrote:So sad to see this news that men that were so brave to go in there to help others have perished themselves. It's always a risky task..that's why it always goes pretty slow, unfortantely.
This hits home because, as I mentioned last year with the WV Sago mine disaster, my father is a coal miner and been so for nearly 30 years now.
With that said, he did tell me something interesting about the owner, Bob Murray. Apparently, he can not be trusted. He used to work in the Pennsylvania area where my dad works...didnt' pay his workers, etc. It looks to be that they were mining the area wrong and it was a shift in pressure, not an earthquake..
Anyway, very sad news....I'm losing hope that those miners are alive now.
saw that too. The news stories talked about the method used at this mine, and why most companies in this country refuse to use that method (it creates situations like this more easily than other methods).
Had not heard anything about the owner tho, tho he has been getting a lot of face-time in front of the cameras.
There has been a lot of controversy over him the last few days.....same kinds of things swirling around in the media. I don't like him....just his demeanor.
He flunked my five minute test too..
It's a rough five minutes.....but I'm usually right....
Paige in Utah
"Don't try to shake it, just nod your head
Breathe in, breathe out, move on"
MelliJellyBean wrote:So sad to see this news that men that were so brave to go in there to help others have perished themselves. It's always a risky task..that's why it always goes pretty slow, unfortantely.
This hits home because, as I mentioned last year with the WV Sago mine disaster, my father is a coal miner and been so for nearly 30 years now.
With that said, he did tell me something interesting about the owner, Bob Murray. Apparently, he can not be trusted. He used to work in the Pennsylvania area where my dad works...didnt' pay his workers, etc. It looks to be that they were mining the area wrong and it was a shift in pressure, not an earthquake..
Anyway, very sad news....I'm losing hope that those miners are alive now.
saw that too. The news stories talked about the method used at this mine, and why most companies in this country refuse to use that method (it creates situations like this more easily than other methods).
Had not heard anything about the owner tho, tho he has been getting a lot of face-time in front of the cameras.
There has been a lot of controversy over him the last few days.....same kinds of things swirling around in the media. I don't like him....just his demeanor.
Early on, my natural inclination was to give him the benefit of a doubt considering the situation, but the more he talks, the worse it gets. I am now thinking there is something he may be hiding. That industry has so much regulation, it is almost impossible for him to get away with anything illegal without accomplices from both the govt regulation and the union. Is this a union mine? Why has the UMW been silent? I have a very bad feeling about this whole situation.
Early on, there were reports that the mine had dozens of safety violations.
And, every geologist I have heard has refuted his claims of seismic activity in the area.
I haven't been following this closely, but I read an article that said the shift or whatever caused the collapse registered something like a 1.6 or 1.8 on the Richter Scale. Obviously, you can't normally feel that, but wouldn't that be considered seismic activity?
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MelliJellyBean wrote:So sad to see this news that men that were so brave to go in there to help others have perished themselves. It's always a risky task..that's why it always goes pretty slow, unfortantely.
This hits home because, as I mentioned last year with the WV Sago mine disaster, my father is a coal miner and been so for nearly 30 years now.
With that said, he did tell me something interesting about the owner, Bob Murray. Apparently, he can not be trusted. He used to work in the Pennsylvania area where my dad works...didnt' pay his workers, etc. It looks to be that they were mining the area wrong and it was a shift in pressure, not an earthquake..
Anyway, very sad news....I'm losing hope that those miners are alive now.
saw that too. The news stories talked about the method used at this mine, and why most companies in this country refuse to use that method (it creates situations like this more easily than other methods).
Had not heard anything about the owner tho, tho he has been getting a lot of face-time in front of the cameras.
There has been a lot of controversy over him the last few days.....same kinds of things swirling around in the media. I don't like him....just his demeanor.
Early on, my natural inclination was to give him the benefit of a doubt considering the situation, but the more he talks, the worse it gets. I am now thinking there is something he may be hiding. That industry has so much regulation, it is almost impossible for him to get away with anything illegal without accomplices from both the govt regulation and the union. Is this a union mine? Why has the UMW been silent? I have a very bad feeling about this whole situation.
Early on, there were reports that the mine had dozens of safety violations.
And, every geologist I have heard has refuted his claims of seismic activity in the area.
I haven't been following this closely, but I read an article that said the shift or whatever caused the collapse registered something like a 1.6 or 1.8 on the Richter Scale. Obviously, you can't normally feel that, but wouldn't that be considered seismic activity?
It registered as seismic activity (which goes to show you the power of the shift/blow out/whatever it is called), but was not CAUSED by seismic activity....the original assertion was that the collapse was caused by an earthquake.....as more and more facts come to light, it appears that was NOT the case.....
Paige in Utah
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Breathe in, breathe out, move on"
MelliJellyBean wrote:So sad to see this news that men that were so brave to go in there to help others have perished themselves. It's always a risky task..that's why it always goes pretty slow, unfortantely.
This hits home because, as I mentioned last year with the WV Sago mine disaster, my father is a coal miner and been so for nearly 30 years now.
With that said, he did tell me something interesting about the owner, Bob Murray. Apparently, he can not be trusted. He used to work in the Pennsylvania area where my dad works...didnt' pay his workers, etc. It looks to be that they were mining the area wrong and it was a shift in pressure, not an earthquake..
Anyway, very sad news....I'm losing hope that those miners are alive now.
saw that too. The news stories talked about the method used at this mine, and why most companies in this country refuse to use that method (it creates situations like this more easily than other methods).
Had not heard anything about the owner tho, tho he has been getting a lot of face-time in front of the cameras.
There has been a lot of controversy over him the last few days.....same kinds of things swirling around in the media. I don't like him....just his demeanor.
Early on, my natural inclination was to give him the benefit of a doubt considering the situation, but the more he talks, the worse it gets. I am now thinking there is something he may be hiding. That industry has so much regulation, it is almost impossible for him to get away with anything illegal without accomplices from both the govt regulation and the union. Is this a union mine? Why has the UMW been silent? I have a very bad feeling about this whole situation.
Early on, there were reports that the mine had dozens of safety violations.
And, every geologist I have heard has refuted his claims of seismic activity in the area.
I haven't been following this closely, but I read an article that said the shift or whatever caused the collapse registered something like a 1.6 or 1.8 on the Richter Scale. Obviously, you can't normally feel that, but wouldn't that be considered seismic activity?
The Richter Scale is a logarithmic scale. Typically you don't feel anything until 3, so a 1.8 is more than 10 times less than what you would feel. Its likely that the collapse caused the 1.8 reading, not the other way around. Sad all the way around.
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MelliJellyBean wrote:So sad to see this news that men that were so brave to go in there to help others have perished themselves. It's always a risky task..that's why it always goes pretty slow, unfortantely.
This hits home because, as I mentioned last year with the WV Sago mine disaster, my father is a coal miner and been so for nearly 30 years now.
With that said, he did tell me something interesting about the owner, Bob Murray. Apparently, he can not be trusted. He used to work in the Pennsylvania area where my dad works...didnt' pay his workers, etc. It looks to be that they were mining the area wrong and it was a shift in pressure, not an earthquake..
Anyway, very sad news....I'm losing hope that those miners are alive now.
saw that too. The news stories talked about the method used at this mine, and why most companies in this country refuse to use that method (it creates situations like this more easily than other methods).
Had not heard anything about the owner tho, tho he has been getting a lot of face-time in front of the cameras.
There has been a lot of controversy over him the last few days.....same kinds of things swirling around in the media. I don't like him....just his demeanor.
Early on, my natural inclination was to give him the benefit of a doubt considering the situation, but the more he talks, the worse it gets. I am now thinking there is something he may be hiding. That industry has so much regulation, it is almost impossible for him to get away with anything illegal without accomplices from both the govt regulation and the union. Is this a union mine? Why has the UMW been silent? I have a very bad feeling about this whole situation.
Early on, there were reports that the mine had dozens of safety violations.
And, every geologist I have heard has refuted his claims of seismic activity in the area.
I haven't been following this closely, but I read an article that said the shift or whatever caused the collapse registered something like a 1.6 or 1.8 on the Richter Scale. Obviously, you can't normally feel that, but wouldn't that be considered seismic activity?
no. not if it came from inside the mine perimeter.. and they had similar activity at the same time as the cave-in yesterday. It's the mountain shifting it's weight to find equilibrium with the removal of support due to the mining technique.
MelliJellyBean wrote:So sad to see this news that men that were so brave to go in there to help others have perished themselves. It's always a risky task..that's why it always goes pretty slow, unfortantely.
This hits home because, as I mentioned last year with the WV Sago mine disaster, my father is a coal miner and been so for nearly 30 years now.
With that said, he did tell me something interesting about the owner, Bob Murray. Apparently, he can not be trusted. He used to work in the Pennsylvania area where my dad works...didnt' pay his workers, etc. It looks to be that they were mining the area wrong and it was a shift in pressure, not an earthquake..
Anyway, very sad news....I'm losing hope that those miners are alive now.
saw that too. The news stories talked about the method used at this mine, and why most companies in this country refuse to use that method (it creates situations like this more easily than other methods).
Had not heard anything about the owner tho, tho he has been getting a lot of face-time in front of the cameras.
There has been a lot of controversy over him the last few days.....same kinds of things swirling around in the media. I don't like him....just his demeanor.
He flunked my five minute test too..
It's a rough five minutes.....but I'm usually right....
yeah he gave me a sick feeling in my stomach from the first time i heard him talk! sounded like he didn't give two sh*ts about the men just about making himself look good!
many prayers and thoughts for all involved! so terrible!
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