Mike Vick Accepts Plea Deal, Will Go To Prison

[chippewa]

I haven't followed the case very closely, I'm really not interested in another spoiled, rich dirtbag with a sense of entitlement, but maybe part of the deal was he'd cop a plea to the federal charges in return for the state charges being dropped. And if he goes to jail, I think (but I'm not 100% sure) there's no parole in the federal prison system so he has to serve the full sentence.

no early release

I've been reading about no parole, but "supervised release". Wouldn't that be a possibility? Although I hope not...

[drunkpirate66]

so perhaps now all the professional athletes caught with illegal drugs like cocaine and marijauna (enough to be tried on intent to sell . . .) and those caught with prostitutes (outside of legal areas) as well as those caught with illegal firearms and are, more than once, around violent crime (Sabastian Telfair) will go to jail or at the very least lose their multi million dollar contracts . . . I put the aforementioned well above dog fighting in terms of disgraceful activity that should not be rewarded.

Sorry prostitution doesn't get put ahead of dogfighting (She's CHOOSING to do that). Neither do some violent crimes. These poor animals had no choice. They didn't ask to born and certainly didn't ask for the horrendous life they led. I'd take a dog over most humans any day of the week, so this is a touchy subject with me.

after numerous years in the United States military I have seen numerous cases of human traffic. I can assure you that a very large percentage of these women (and boys) are not choosing anything. Neither are many of the minors on the streets of Vegas and other areas where prostitution prominent. Putting cruelty to animals ahead forced rape and enslavement for profit is so bizzare I cannot even begin to comprehend it. Perhaps you were uninformed.

umm... I hate to tell you this, but Las Vegas is in Clark County, Nev. and prostitution of any kind is illegal within the county borders. The legalized prostitution you hear about is in brothels over the county line in places like Parump, etc.

thanks for the info but I don't care to know about stuff like that . . . and if I claimed to I apologize . . . If you reread my post I was saying, simply, that sports figures should be held as accountable if not more for acts I find worse then animal abuse like being caught with numerous prostitutes (legal or not -) where some of have been proven minors who have, along with adults (men, women, boys and girls), been forced into the trade for whatever reason . . . the semantics of the legally of prostitution in terms of where and how are subjects of little interest to me.

Drugs and violent crimes (Telfair and Iverson to name two of many) are other acts worse then dog fighting . . . my opinion . . .

I did not say you wanted to, or did. I was correcting your mistake/misconception about Las Vegas.

My mistake and I stand corrected. It does disturb me, however, that no matter where prostitution takes place that people would assume that the girls (and more times than not boys) are making a conscience choice to do that for a profession . . . easily 75% are forced and easily 50% are underage . . . atleast of those arrested and are on record through various law enforcement agencys such as the United States Coast Guard - my employer . . . it bothers me further to think that there are those out there that think dog fighting is worse.

[RinglingRingling]

I haven't followed the case very closely, I'm really not interested in another spoiled, rich dirtbag with a sense of entitlement, but maybe part of the deal was he'd cop a plea to the federal charges in return for the state charges being dropped. And if he goes to jail, I think (but I'm not 100% sure) there's no parole in the federal prison system so he has to serve the full sentence.

no early release

I've been reading about no parole, but "supervised release". Wouldn't that be a possibility? Although I hope not...

only if it is under the care and supervision of members of the ASPCA...

[carey24]

Sorry prostitution doesn't get put ahead of dogfighting (She's CHOOSING to do that). Neither do some violent crimes. These poor animals had no choice. They didn't ask to born and certainly didn't ask for the horrendous life they led. I'd take a dog over most humans any day of the week, so this is a touchy subject with me.

after numerous years in the United States military I have seen numerous cases of human traffic. I can assure you that a very large percentage of these women (and boys) are not choosing anything. Neither are many of the minors on the streets of Vegas and other areas where prostitution prominent. Putting cruelty to animals ahead forced rape and enslavement for profit is so bizzare I cannot even begin to comprehend it. Perhaps you were uninformed.

umm... I hate to tell you this, but Las Vegas is in Clark County, Nev. and prostitution of any kind is illegal within the county borders. The legalized prostitution you hear about is in brothels over the county line in places like Parump, etc.

thanks for the info but I don't care to know about stuff like that . . . and if I claimed to I apologize . . . If you reread my post I was saying, simply, that sports figures should be held as accountable if not more for acts I find worse then animal abuse like being caught with numerous prostitutes (legal or not -) where some of have been proven minors who have, along with adults (men, women, boys and girls), been forced into the trade for whatever reason . . . the semantics of the legally of prostitution in terms of where and how are subjects of little interest to me.

Drugs and violent crimes (Telfair and Iverson to name two of many) are other acts worse then dog fighting . . . my opinion . . .

I did not say you wanted to, or did. I was correcting your mistake/misconception about Las Vegas.

My mistake and I stand corrected. It does disturb me, however, that no matter where prostitution takes place that people would assume that the girls (and more times than not boys) are making a conscience choice to do that for a profession . . . easily 75% are forced and easily 50% are underage . . . atleast of those arrested and are on record through various law enforcement agencys such as the United States Coast Guard - my employer . . . it bothers me further to think that there are those out there that think dog fighting is worse.

I do not think that dogfighting is worse than forced prostitution. However, on most corners in Baltimore City, there are numerous women WILLINGLY selling themselves on the street. I do not have any sympathy for these people and yes dogfighting is worse than that.

[drunkpirate66]

after numerous years in the United States military I have seen numerous cases of human traffic. I can assure you that a very large percentage of these women (and boys) are not choosing anything. Neither are many of the minors on the streets of Vegas and other areas where prostitution prominent. Putting cruelty to animals ahead forced rape and enslavement for profit is so bizzare I cannot even begin to comprehend it. Perhaps you were uninformed.

umm... I hate to tell you this, but Las Vegas is in Clark County, Nev. and prostitution of any kind is illegal within the county borders. The legalized prostitution you hear about is in brothels over the county line in places like Parump, etc.

thanks for the info but I don't care to know about stuff like that . . . and if I claimed to I apologize . . . If you reread my post I was saying, simply, that sports figures should be held as accountable if not more for acts I find worse then animal abuse like being caught with numerous prostitutes (legal or not -) where some of have been proven minors who have, along with adults (men, women, boys and girls), been forced into the trade for whatever reason . . . the semantics of the legally of prostitution in terms of where and how are subjects of little interest to me.

Drugs and violent crimes (Telfair and Iverson to name two of many) are other acts worse then dog fighting . . . my opinion . . .

I did not say you wanted to, or did. I was correcting your mistake/misconception about Las Vegas.

My mistake and I stand corrected. It does disturb me, however, that no matter where prostitution takes place that people would assume that the girls (and more times than not boys) are making a conscience choice to do that for a profession . . . easily 75% are forced and easily 50% are underage . . . atleast of those arrested and are on record through various law enforcement agencys such as the United States Coast Guard - my employer . . . it bothers me further to think that there are those out there that think dog fighting is worse.

I do not think that dogfighting is worse than forced prostitution. However, on most corners in Baltimore City, there are numerous women WILLINGLY selling themselves on the street. I do not have any sympathy for these people and yes dogfighting is worse than that.

you don't know that. and I know for a fact that unless this is a very unique group that many of them are being forced in some way (financial, black male, debt, or perhaps they were forced to use heroin or other addictive narcotics when they were younger and are now chemically hooked, or perhaps they are mentally deficient and someone is exploiting this).

I would love to see where you get your information. You are very, very wrong.

I am walking away from this . . . seriously, I can't even begin to see where you are coming from. As bad as dog fighting is it is almost laughable to what many are going through that you think is "willingly".

[12vmanRick]

I haven't followed the case very closely, I'm really not interested in another spoiled, rich dirtbag with a sense of entitlement, but maybe part of the deal was he'd cop a plea to the federal charges in return for the state charges being dropped. And if he goes to jail, I think (but I'm not 100% sure) there's no parole in the federal prison system so he has to serve the full sentence.

no early release

I've been reading about no parole, but "supervised release". Wouldn't that be a possibility? Although I hope not...

not in a Federal conviction. He just better be glad they offered him a deal. They were going for rackateering and that was a heafty sentence. I don't know why they chose to allow the plea.

[popcornjack]

On ESPNEWS this morning, during their coverage, they had the Sunday Countdown crew on (Berman, e. Smith, Jackson, Keyshawn and Parcells) and all of them basically said that in three years he'd be playing again, albeit at a different position. Only parcells alluded to the "circus" that would come with him, and it was up to Berman to mention the whole personality issue. The rest of them just glossed over why he wouldn't be able to play for some time. I mean, i know it's a sports show and they're going to focus on the sport aspect of it, but they all saw the elephant in the corner of the room and nobody wanted to talk about it.

[popcornjack]

I haven't followed the case very closely, I'm really not interested in another spoiled, rich dirtbag with a sense of entitlement, but maybe part of the deal was he'd cop a plea to the federal charges in return for the state charges being dropped. And if he goes to jail, I think (but I'm not 100% sure) there's no parole in the federal prison system so he has to serve the full sentence.

no early release

I've been reading about no parole, but "supervised release". Wouldn't that be a possibility? Although I hope not...

not in a Federal conviction. He just better be glad they offered him a deal. They were going for rackateering and that was a heafty sentence. I don't know why they chose to allow the plea.

I'm kind of surprised too that went for the plea. All I can figure is that if it turned into a long drawn out process, with possibilities of appeals, people would start looking at it as a vendetta and it might even generate sympathy for him. Not for what he did, but what he was going through.

[12vmanRick]

Think about this.

Why is dogfighting so bad? We domesticated the animal and now it's a "pet". Yet even still does the Federal Government have a right to say you can't have dog fights? I am not arguing the cruelty of it but wild animals fight and we don't ban them from it or arrest people where it happens in their yard. The Federal Govt regulates gambling, do they have a right to do that? They put a law against prositution, you mean your body isn't yours and you can't do with it as you please? Sell your organs? It's not hurting anyone else. So it's all laws passed on morality issues which the government should stay out of. It's like your TV if you don't like what's being shown, turn it off, maybe I do like it.

Your morals shouldn't be my laws.

[12vmanRick]

I haven't followed the case very closely, I'm really not interested in another spoiled, rich dirtbag with a sense of entitlement, but maybe part of the deal was he'd cop a plea to the federal charges in return for the state charges being dropped. And if he goes to jail, I think (but I'm not 100% sure) there's no parole in the federal prison system so he has to serve the full sentence.

no early release

I've been reading about no parole, but "supervised release". Wouldn't that be a possibility? Although I hope not...

not in a Federal conviction. He just better be glad they offered him a deal. They were going for rackateering and that was a heafty sentence. I don't know why they chose to allow the plea.

I'm kind of surprised too that went for the plea. All I can figure is that if it turned into a long drawn out process, with possibilities of appeals, people would start looking at it as a vendetta and it might even generate sympathy for him. Not for what he did, but what he was going through.

hey seriously.. Fck him.. they wouldn't give you so much leniency

[Skibo]

Your morals shouldn't be my laws.

Aren't all laws based on some moral value? I guess you might argue that speeding and some public safety laws are not necessarily moral, but murder and theft are most certainly rooted in moral values...or are you proposing dropping the murder and theft laws? Not to hijack this thread but it is moving on a couple of tangents anyway.

[popcornjack]

hey seriously.. Fck him.. they wouldn't give you so much leniency

Yeah.....cause I'm not a famous, well-known entity. Trust me. I want to die at the ripe old age of 100 and still see him behind bars. Or even better. Have him stuck in general population and let him meet a 300lb lifer named "Dawg" and let him show Vick what dogfighting is all about.

[12vmanRick]

Your morals shouldn't be my laws.

Aren't all laws based on some moral value? I guess you might argue that speeding and some public safety laws are not necessarily moral, but murder and theft are most certainly rooted in moral values...or are you proposing dropping the murder and theft laws? Not to hijack this thread but it is moving on a couple of tangents anyway.

No they actually are unfortunately but should they be? Or at least to what extent?

I don't think that theft and murder fall anything close to a personal moral conviction but that's just my opinion. When you pass laws telling me what to do with my property or body, then that's just wrong. Only laws banning actions that truly have an adverse affect on society should be laws. The government should be here to protect my basic freedoms and insure that others can't take those away, not tell me what my morals should be.

[Skibo]

No they actually are unfortunately but should they be? Or at least to what extent?

I don't think that theft and murder fall anything close to a personal moral conviction but that's just my opinion. When you pass laws telling me what to do with my property or body, then that's just wrong. Only laws banning actions that truly have an adverse affect on society should be laws. The government should be here to protect my basic freedoms and insure that others can't take those away, not tell me what my morals should be.

I think we agree in general here. There are too many laws, so many that consistant enforcement of the "good" ones is almost impossible. I get annoyed at the new and improved laws myself. People that see something that they don't agree with and then say "there ought to be a law" are the problem. You know maybe we need a law banning the statement "there ought to be a law"

[dawgfan]

hey seriously.. Fck him.. they wouldn't give you so much leniency

Yeah.....cause I'm not a famous, well-known entity. Trust me. I want to die at the ripe old age of 100 and still see him behind bars. Or even better. Have him stuck in general population and let him meet a 300lb lifer named "Dawg" and let him show Vick what dogfighting is all about.

[green1]

Only laws banning actions that truly have an adverse affect on society should be laws.

And yet killing a pedophile is still illegal.

Jumping on the hijacking bandwagon here.

[12vmanRick]

No they actually are unfortunately but should they be? Or at least to what extent?

I don't think that theft and murder fall anything close to a personal moral conviction but that's just my opinion. When you pass laws telling me what to do with my property or body, then that's just wrong. Only laws banning actions that truly have an adverse affect on society should be laws. The government should be here to protect my basic freedoms and insure that others can't take those away, not tell me what my morals should be.

I think we agree in general here. There are too many laws, so many that consistant enforcement of the "good" ones is almost impossible. I get annoyed at the new and improved laws myself. People that see something that they don't agree with and then say "there ought to be a law" are the problem. You know maybe we need a law banning the statement "there ought to be a law"

That's it. We are a land of laws, mostly unused. Too big of a government that has basically taken state rights away (the exact opposite of the Constitution) ... oh I better stop now

[12vmanRick]

Only laws banning actions that truly have an adverse affect on society should be laws.

And yet killing a pedophile is still illegal.

Jumping on the hijacking bandwagon here.

we could go on for days on these things, ya know?

[Desdamona]

Suspended indefinitely frm the NFL... about d@mn time!

[aeroparrot]

Suspended indefinitely frm the NFL... about d@mn time!

Good.

I was reading some of the comments on how the NAACP was defending Michael Vick and how the NFL shouldn't suspend him and that he should be able to get his job back with the Falcons because people love seeing him play.

Not one of the comments I saw supported the NAACP. The comments were stating the NAACP was out of touch with reality because if anyone else did something like that, that person would be fired from their job no questions asked.

Also, there were reporters who called the bluff on the NAACP by asking them why they wanted the guys from the Duke Lacrosse team to be dismissed from college and the team without the benefit of a trial and why they are not calling for the same for Vick. The NAACP had no answer. They couldn't justify the double standard.