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Posted: August 28, 2007 10:41 am
by RinglingRingling
Hooray Beer! wrote:
RinglingRingling wrote:
Hooray Beer! wrote:
RinglingRingling wrote:
Hooray Beer! wrote:I think what is that people are threatened by Chesney

How do I mean ? Well being is sort of a cool club. And, let's face it, usually for an older audience.

Chesney is doing pretty much the same act, but attracting a younger fan base

So what was once this semi exclusive cool club has now been copied. And that upsets people that think the beach lifestyle is theirs and no one else's. The bandwagon was jumped on and they dont like it.
show me one time where jumping on the bandwagon was thought of as a cool thing by those already on board?
I mean the beach lifestyle bandwagon my friend

And if that wasn't cool to do, as in try something new and find out you liked it and became a fan, none of us would be here now would we

:D
again... the last ones on the bandwagon will fall off when something new catches their eye, and in the meantime, they make it a lot more crowded and uncomfortable for the early-adopters.
Reminds me of how I was in college. I was a big alternative music fan. I thought everything else was crap. Any band that had a hit was a sell out and anyone that liked them after I did wasnt an early-adopter as you put it and only worthy of my scorn and derision. I was like the guys from High Fidelity in the record store.

What I failed to see at the time was it was making what I liked more popular, and ensuring that there would be more of it for a long time to come
thanks for helping foist that disaster upon us.. :D

Posted: August 28, 2007 10:42 am
by RinglingRingling
tikiwoman wrote:As a long time Bruce fan and later a Bon Jovi fan this situation seems similar. A lot of Bruce fans love to dump on Bon Jovi and hey, I know Jon and Richie don't write like Bruce but they capture the same energy of great Jersey shore rock and roll shows and I love both. Kenny is not Jimmy but his shows are fun and capture the island party spirit. It is all good to me.
Val
but you've already admitted to being from Joisey and a Bon Jovi fan... :D

Posted: August 28, 2007 10:56 am
by LIPH
Bon Jovi is Bruce-light. Very, very, very light.

Posted: August 28, 2007 11:24 am
by tikiwoman
LIPH wrote:Bon Jovi is Bruce-light. Very, very, very light.
Exactly and people think Kenny is Buffett light. BTW, I agree Bon Jovi is Bruce light- but I enjoy both :D I like them both and same with Jimmy and Kenny for what they are.

Val

Posted: August 28, 2007 11:25 am
by tikiwoman
RinglingRingling wrote:
tikiwoman wrote:As a long time Bruce fan and later a Bon Jovi fan this situation seems similar. A lot of Bruce fans love to dump on Bon Jovi and hey, I know Jon and Richie don't write like Bruce but they capture the same energy of great Jersey shore rock and roll shows and I love both. Kenny is not Jimmy but his shows are fun and capture the island party spirit. It is all good to me.
Val
but you've already admitted to being from Joisey and a Bon Jovi fan... :D
Yes guilty as charged :D
Val

Posted: August 28, 2007 11:25 am
by RinglingRingling
tikiwoman wrote:
LIPH wrote:Bon Jovi is Bruce-light. Very, very, very light.
Exactly and people think Kenny is Buffett light. BTW, I agree Bon Jovi is Bruce light- but I enjoy both :D I like them both and same with Jimmy and Kenny for what they are.

Val
Miller Lite beer in Munich.... :D:D:D

Posted: August 28, 2007 2:37 pm
by ConchRepublican
LIPH wrote:Bon Jovi is Bruce-light. Very, very, very light.
The best review I ever read was of Bon Jovi's "Bounce". It read:

"The Rising for Dummies"

I'm a HUGE Bruce fan, but also a fan of 80's metal/hard rock, so I like Bon Jovi as well, as he kinda crossed over that in the beginning. I know he's expanded, grown and been around for a while, but I still cringe when I hear them both mentioned in the same sentence.

This is from someone though, who feels Bruce was "with the Muse" when he wrote and recorded Born to Run and that it is possibly the greatest rock and roll record of all time.

Yeah, I'm biased. :wink:

Posted: August 28, 2007 2:44 pm
by LIPH
ConchRepublican wrote:
LIPH wrote:Bon Jovi is Bruce-light. Very, very, very light.
The best review I ever read was of Bon Jovi's "Bounce". It read:

"The Rising for Dummies"
100,000,000 people CAN be wrong. :lol:

Posted: August 28, 2007 9:22 pm
by ConchRepublican
LIPH wrote:
ConchRepublican wrote:
LIPH wrote:Bon Jovi is Bruce-light. Very, very, very light.
The best review I ever read was of Bon Jovi's "Bounce". It read:

"The Rising for Dummies"
100,000,000 people CAN be wrong. :lol:

Nicely done

Posted: August 31, 2007 7:45 pm
by tikiwoman
Wow dissing Kenny and Bon Jovi in one thread :D I usually have to post on Greasy Lake, my Bruce board for this abuse :D

I know Bon Jovi aren't Bruce just as Kenny is not Jimmy but fans of the more "credible" act can still enjoy the light version, that was the point I was trying to make.

Val

Posted: August 31, 2007 11:24 pm
by ConchRepublican
No harm meant Val, just joshing. I like BJ . . . um . . . Bon Jovi as well, but as most seem to agree, he's not Bruce.

99 in the Shade is actually on one of my Tiki Bar playlists alongside much (mostly??) Jimmy, the Beach Boys, various country from Blake Shelton, Willie Nelson and Toby Keith to Kenny Chesney, Sammy Hagar, Don Tiki and others with that "feel".

Posted: September 1, 2007 1:17 pm
by tikiwoman
ConchRepublican wrote:No harm meant Val, just joshing. I like BJ . . . um . . . Bon Jovi as well, but as most seem to agree, he's not Bruce.

99 in the Shade is actually on one of my Tiki Bar playlists alongside much (mostly??) Jimmy, the Beach Boys, various country from Blake Shelton, Willie Nelson and Toby Keith to Kenny Chesney, Sammy Hagar, Don Tiki and others with that "feel".
That's ok, I always get abuse about my Bon Jovi obsession, mostly at home from my family :D :D

99 in the Shade is a great tune!

Val

Posted: September 1, 2007 9:56 pm
by RinglingRingling
tikiwoman wrote:Wow dissing Kenny and Bon Jovi in one thread :D I usually have to post on Greasy Lake, my Bruce board for this abuse :D

I know Bon Jovi aren't Bruce just as Kenny is not Jimmy but fans of the more "credible" act can still enjoy the light version, that was the point I was trying to make.

Val
but why? I don't smoke Macanudo cigars when I can enjoy a Gurkha Fuerte X; I don't eat tofu if I can get a steak; and I don't drink Landshark if even Olympia is available... :D

Posted: September 1, 2007 11:33 pm
by tikiwoman
RinglingRingling wrote:
tikiwoman wrote:Wow dissing Kenny and Bon Jovi in one thread :D I usually have to post on Greasy Lake, my Bruce board for this abuse :D

I know Bon Jovi aren't Bruce just as Kenny is not Jimmy but fans of the more "credible" act can still enjoy the light version, that was the point I was trying to make.

Val
but why? I don't smoke Macanudo cigars when I can enjoy a Gurkha Fuerte X; I don't eat tofu if I can get a steak; and I don't drink Landshark if even Olympia is available... :D
Ah, but I love filet mignon but can enjoy a cheeseburger, even if not in paradise. If better is available fine, but other options can be satisfying as well. And sometimes, a cheeseburger is a really good thing :D

Val

Posted: September 1, 2007 11:36 pm
by SMLCHNG
RinglingRingling wrote: but why? I don't smoke Macanudo cigars when I can enjoy a Gurkha Fuerte X; I don't eat tofu if I can get a steak; and I don't drink Landshark if even Olympia is available... :D
Maybe cause Val just enjoys what she enjoys, son. :wink:

Posted: September 2, 2007 1:24 am
by ph4ever
I've always had a blast at the Buffett shows I've been to

I've always had a blast at the Chesney shows I've been to

I tend to have a blast at whatever show I go to because I go to see the performers I like.

Never seen Bruce - I'd like to

Never seen Bon Jovi - I'd like to


feel free to bash me now

Posted: September 2, 2007 11:10 pm
by fruityparrothead
12vmanRick wrote:you might think it cheesy but it's Chesney. Nicole and I had a great time at Kenny's concert. Nothing like Buffett to us, nothing to compare. Totally different styles that view the island life/style a different way.
I agree....it's a different take on the island vibe, so the speak. I like Kenny...but for different reasons than I like Jimmy. And you are correct...there is no need to compare JB and KC.

Posted: September 3, 2007 2:12 am
by HsvParrothead
12vmanRick wrote:you might think it cheesy but it's Chesney. Nicole and I had a great time at Kenny's concert. Nothing like Buffett to us, nothing to compare. Totally different styles that view the island life/style a different way.
Yup! Totally agree with my brutha from anotha mutha here!

And whether the majority of folks on this site agree with it or not.. he IS the top grossing country act on tour AGAIN this year.. and no, it's not because of his ticket prices (The top avg. price this year goes to Tim & Faith with a face value in the low $90's.. where as KC's avg. is in the mid $60's.. yet, he leads the Summer numbers by a spread of $10.1 million above Tim & Faith in 2nd place.. granted he started in mid-April and Soul2Soul began in early June) so... point being, he's doin' something right!!! He's a younger performer with a younger fan base.. and knows how to target and perform to that demographic.. which is all those screaming women mentioned. You might not realize it, but the target demographic for country radio is females age 25-40. As for the volume, bigger arenas = bigger sound! It's impossible to balance the sound level for all in attendance when your playing the biggest stadiums/arenas in the country!

Guitar skills? I was skeptical of what level of acoustic player he was as well.. because in an acoustic set you really strip away all the glitz, production effects/enhancements and glamor to see the artist in a more natural & truest form. When you set up on a lone stool with just you and an acoustic guitar you can really separate the artist from the wanna be's. When Chesney played down here on the island at Hogs Breath.. I took the time to catch a portion of an all acoustic show and man, he's legit! My co-writer and I were especially critical in our critique when he played our bar the next night with his full band. While his band took a break he did another acoustic set, with us standing 6ft away, where he played a good 8-10 songs (a much longer acoustic set than you get on his regular tour) with just him and his Takamine and neither one of us found anything to truly speak negatively on.. there was no doubt remaining, he's the real deal.

As for the t-shirt cannons... Buffett doesn't own that gimmick.. in fact, a lot of acts do it and have been doing it for years. Just thinking in terms of other country artist, right off the top of my head.. Gretchen Wilson, Dierks Bentley, Big & Rich, Rodney Atkins.. hell, I think Garth even use to do it before he retired from the stage back in 2000.

Side Note: Also, someone mentioned something along the lines of KC having a sub-par voice and not quite measuring up to JB in vocals... son, you need your ears checked! Bubba's NEVER had a "great" voice! He's a Great songwriter, but an average vocalist! I mean, he's not tone deaf but he's definately not one to be considered for his polished vocals. Even when I was the most die hard PH, I never considered him to have great vocal ability. Sorry, but it's just my true opinion. Just my .02

Then again... pay no mind to me.. I'm a lil bias after working at Buffett Ground Zero for waaaaaaaay too long!! :lol: No, Seriously! :o

SIDE NOTE: As for the pirate? That pirate was Shawn Silva.. one of the biggest music video directors out there today. They filmed it while they were down here in The Keys for Kenny's "Keg In The Closet Tour". Cruzan Rum made a good choice when they chose to sponsor the man.. hell of a partnership. Did you ever notice that the original lyrics for "Old Blue Chair" he sings 'Malibu and diet' ... that was before the Cruzan sponsorship and the "Be As You Are" album version!


I just hate seeing these type of threads on here.. it's part of the reason I stopped coming around this site! I never gave Chesney a chance initially because of all the "wannabe" name calling threads I had always seen on here when I first started posting over three years ago. Then in 2005 my buddy Jamie (fellow BNer) starting pushing his music onto me.. and I gave it a chance.. and guess what.. all the parrothead naysayers were dead wrong! He's a hell of an artist! Hell, his music is actually the reason I got back into country music after several years of stepping away from it. When I first started songwriting during the divorce, the stuff I wrote was crap.. the motivation and message were true but the way I was trying to say it wasn't. Because I was trying to be another Buffett. Finally, I had to get true to myself and my roots.. next thing I knew my writing really matured and I found the style to be country.. it's just what naturally flowed when I stopped trying to be somebody I wasn't. Sadly, it took moving to an island to discover I'm a southern hillbilly! :lol: But thank God I did.. because now I'm off that island, on a layover back home for now and moving to Nashville in November!

My point is... if it wasn't sincere and true then KC wouldn't be able to perform and present it to the level that he does each and every night! And if it didn't feel real, then those audiences would NOT buy into it.

Second point is.. THERE IS A WHOLE WORLD OF MUSIC OUT THERE OUTSIDE OF JIMMY.. open your ears and give it a chance for Gods sake! It blows my mind how some people on here will worship singers like Sunny Jim, Jim Morris and the likes.. yet, will label certain others as "wanna be's"... I also dare say that the discrimination factor is often influenced mainly in part by the "wanna be's" level of success (which implies jealousy on certain fans part)!! Just a thought..
Kinda hypocritical dontchathink? :roll:

Bottom line is this.. Music is about expression and connecting with others. It may not always suit your taste and you may not always "agree" per se with the execution.. but the motivation behind it is always the same. To connect with an audience and touch other people lives. So it's best to at least try to respect all forms, styles, genres or artist for the simple fact that they are out there doing that. Granted, all of them may not necessarily connect with each and every one of us.. but there is always someone listening to a lyric and saying, "I feel the same way!" Or maybe they're simply being moved to the beat of the instrumental.. either way, they're connecting.. and that's what it's all about!

Posted: September 3, 2007 10:23 am
by Crazy Navy Flyer
HsvParrothead wrote:
12vmanRick wrote:you might think it cheesy but it's Chesney. Nicole and I had a great time at Kenny's concert. Nothing like Buffett to us, nothing to compare. Totally different styles that view the island life/style a different way.
Yup! Totally agree with my brutha from anotha mutha here!

And whether the majority of folks on this site agree with it or not.. he IS the top grossing country act on tour AGAIN this year.. and no, it's not because of his ticket prices (The top avg. price this year goes to Tim & Faith with a face value in the low $90's.. where as KC's avg. is in the mid $60's.. yet, he leads the Summer numbers by a spread of $10.1 million above Tim & Faith in 2nd place.. granted he started in mid-April and Soul2Soul began in early June) so... point being, he's doin' something right!!! He's a younger performer with a younger fan base.. and knows how to target and perform to that demographic.. which is all those screaming women mentioned. You might not realize it, but the target demographic for country radio is females age 25-40. As for the volume, bigger arenas = bigger sound! It's impossible to balance the sound level for all in attendance when your playing the biggest stadiums/arenas in the country!

Guitar skills? I was skeptical of what level of acoustic player he was as well.. because in an acoustic set you really strip away all the glitz, production effects/enhancements and glamor to see the artist in a more natural & truest form. When you set up on a lone stool with just you and an acoustic guitar you can really separate the artist from the wanna be's. When Chesney played down here on the island at Hogs Breath.. I took the time to catch a portion of an all acoustic show and man, he's legit! My co-writer and I were especially critical in our critique when he played our bar the next night with his full band. While his band took a break he did another acoustic set, with us standing 6ft away, where he played a good 8-10 songs (a much longer acoustic set than you get on his regular tour) with just him and his Takamine and neither one of us found anything to truly speak negatively on.. there was no doubt remaining, he's the real deal.

As for the t-shirt cannons... Buffett doesn't own that gimmick.. in fact, a lot of acts do it and have been doing it for years. Just thinking in terms of other country artist, right off the top of my head.. Gretchen Wilson, Dierks Bentley, Big & Rich, Rodney Atkins.. hell, I think Garth even use to do it before he retired from the stage back in 2000.

Side Note: Also, someone mentioned something along the lines of KC having a sub-par voice and not quite measuring up to JB in vocals... son, you need your ears checked! Bubba's NEVER had a "great" voice! He's a Great songwriter, but an average vocalist! I mean, he's not tone deaf but he's definately not one to be considered for his polished vocals. Even when I was the most die hard PH, I never considered him to have great vocal ability. Sorry, but it's just my true opinion. Just my .02

Then again... pay no mind to me.. I'm a lil bias after working at Buffett Ground Zero for waaaaaaaay too long!! :lol: No, Seriously! :o

SIDE NOTE: As for the pirate? That pirate was Shawn Silva.. one of the biggest music video directors out there today. They filmed it while they were down here in The Keys for Kenny's "Keg In The Closet Tour". Cruzan Rum made a good choice when they chose to sponsor the man.. hell of a partnership. Did you ever notice that the original lyrics for "Old Blue Chair" he sings 'Malibu and diet' ... that was before the Cruzan sponsorship and the "Be As You Are" album version!


I just hate seeing these type of threads on here.. it's part of the reason I stopped coming around this site! I never gave Chesney a chance initially because of all the "wannabe" name calling threads I had always seen on here when I first started posting over three years ago. Then in 2005 my buddy Jamie (fellow BNer) starting pushing his music onto me.. and I gave it a chance.. and guess what.. all the parrothead naysayers were dead wrong! He's a hell of an artist! Hell, his music is actually the reason I got back into country music after several years of stepping away from it. When I first started songwriting during the divorce, the stuff I wrote was crap.. the motivation and message were true but the way I was trying to say it wasn't. Because I was trying to be another Buffett. Finally, I had to get true to myself and my roots.. next thing I knew my writing really matured and I found the style to be country.. it's just what naturally flowed when I stopped trying to be somebody I wasn't. Sadly, it took moving to an island to discover I'm a southern hillbilly! :lol: But thank God I did.. because now I'm off that island, on a layover back home for now and moving to Nashville in November!

My point is... if it wasn't sincere and true then KC wouldn't be able to perform and present it to the level that he does each and every night! And if it didn't feel real, then those audiences would NOT buy into it.

Second point is.. THERE IS A WHOLE WORLD OF MUSIC OUT THERE OUTSIDE OF JIMMY.. open your ears and give it a chance for Gods sake! It blows my mind how some people on here will worship singers like Sunny Jim, Jim Morris and the likes.. yet, will label certain others as "wanna be's"... I also dare say that the discrimination factor is often influenced mainly in part by the "wanna be's" level of success (which implies jealousy on certain fans part)!! Just a thought..
Kinda hypocritical dontchathink? :roll:

Bottom line is this.. Music is about expression and connecting with others. It may not always suit your taste and you may not always "agree" per se with the execution.. but the motivation behind it is always the same. To connect with an audience and touch other people lives. So it's best to at least try to respect all forms, styles, genres or artist for the simple fact that they are out there doing that. Granted, all of them may not necessarily connect with each and every one of us.. but there is always someone listening to a lyric and saying, "I feel the same way!" Or maybe they're simply being moved to the beat of the instrumental.. either way, they're connecting.. and that's what it's all about!
Well said, it's nice to see some common sense on the subject. I've been a PH since the early 70's in KW, followed JB all along, never been a huge country fan but I gotta say my favorite all time album is "Be as You Are".

Posted: September 3, 2007 5:16 pm
by RinglingRingling
SMLCHNG wrote:
RinglingRingling wrote: but why? I don't smoke Macanudo cigars when I can enjoy a Gurkha Fuerte X; I don't eat tofu if I can get a steak; and I don't drink Landshark if even Olympia is available... :D
Maybe cause Val just enjoys what she enjoys, son. :wink:
well, she is from Joisey.. so what can I say? :D