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creeky wrote:
Dezdmona wrote:Sports personalities are "supposedly" role models for kids.

Yup...here Jr. it's alright to smoke dope and snort coke as long as your not at work...your favorite sports star does it. :roll:
So are movie stars ........ teachers ..... they dont get tested ..... I am just saying these guys are being treated differently.
I don't like having to explain to my son why ANY public personality is caught in a shameful position.

I can only hope that a Teacher would be more of a role model than a sports personality or a movie star, heaven forbid I have explain why some Teacher or Coach got arrested for some offense or another. :roll:

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PJ wrote:
creeky wrote:
Dezdmona wrote:Sports personalities are "supposedly" role models for kids.

Yup...here Jr. it's alright to smoke dope and snort coke as long as your not at work...your favorite sports star does it. :roll:
So are movie stars ........ teachers ..... they dont get tested ..... I am just saying these guys are being treated differently.
Don't get tested that we know of. Certain actors - Robert Downey, Jr. I'm looking at you here - that have a history of drug and or alcohol problems may be subject to random testing whiel filming movies. A movie can get killed if it is on a tight schedule and one of the principal actors is unable to perform due to drugs and/or alcohol.

Teachers may well get random tests, I don't know for sure, but they may well in some districts.

Sports are also a different animal from acting, so there is more to it than just being a role model. The effects of a drug can carry over, one bad hit of acid, a little stronger weed, whatever. And in sports like American football, hockey, motorsports, where you can seriously injure or kill someone if your concentration or your reflexes are just a little bit off, better to be safe than sorry.
I've never known anyone who took acid to be able to play sports - they'd be laughing too much. :lol: :lol:

I do remember our hs center taking a lude before every game so he wouldn't feel the hurt he puts on the other team
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what you do in your private time that doesn't and if it doesn't affect your job then NOBODY has the right to violate your privacy. If you get caught with the drugs then there is a problem.

Truth being said that alcohol is the worst of the bunch and it's legal. I can not drink all night long and have even a prayers chance at making it to work but if I smoke pot for the same amount of time, no problem.
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Wino you know wrote:
buffettbride wrote:Why are they illegal in the first place?
If it pi$$es off the potheads, I'm all for it in any case.

Look-if it were up to me, EVERYBODY who works with ME gets tested.
They don't like it, look for another job.
Screw 'em in the a$$. :x
Look up why Pot is illegal. It's because the cotton farmers felt threatened. If it was ONLY because it gets you high then why are ALL pot plants illegal and not only the female, the female is the ONLY one with enough THC to get you high.
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ph4ever wrote:
PJ wrote:
creeky wrote:
Dezdmona wrote:Sports personalities are "supposedly" role models for kids.

Yup...here Jr. it's alright to smoke dope and snort coke as long as your not at work...your favorite sports star does it. :roll:
So are movie stars ........ teachers ..... they dont get tested ..... I am just saying these guys are being treated differently.
Don't get tested that we know of. Certain actors - Robert Downey, Jr. I'm looking at you here - that have a history of drug and or alcohol problems may be subject to random testing whiel filming movies. A movie can get killed if it is on a tight schedule and one of the principal actors is unable to perform due to drugs and/or alcohol.

Teachers may well get random tests, I don't know for sure, but they may well in some districts.

Sports are also a different animal from acting, so there is more to it than just being a role model. The effects of a drug can carry over, one bad hit of acid, a little stronger weed, whatever. And in sports like American football, hockey, motorsports, where you can seriously injure or kill someone if your concentration or your reflexes are just a little bit off, better to be safe than sorry.
I've never known anyone who took acid to be able to play sports - they'd be laughing too much. :lol: :lol:

I do remember our hs center taking a lude before every game so he wouldn't feel the hurt he puts on the other team
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12vmanRick wrote:
Wino you know wrote:
buffettbride wrote:Why are they illegal in the first place?
If it pi$$es off the potheads, I'm all for it in any case.

Look-if it were up to me, EVERYBODY who works with ME gets tested.
They don't like it, look for another job.
Screw 'em in the a$$. :x
Look up why Pot is illegal. It's because the cotton farmers felt threatened. If it was ONLY because it gets you high then why are ALL pot plants illegal and not only the female, the female is the ONLY one with enough THC to get you high.
I have no idea why pot is illegal-it IS, and I'm in a position of public trust which requires me to enforce ALL laws, whether or not I agree with them.
Public intoxication from alcohol is also illegal, and I KNOW why that is.
I don't need some boob driving on public roads or highways and jepordizing MY life, YOUR life, or anybody else's life, for that matter.
Do I drink? Yes.
Do I drive after "a few"? I have.
Am I a hypocrite? You tell me. If you tell me I am, I'll humbly swallow that pill.
All I know is that I've drivien home after 3-4 beers many times, no blacking out, no loss of memory, and, pretty much in control.
But if I ever had to take a sobriety test, I may have a problem.

As for the ILLEGAL stuff, I don't go out of my way to look for it, but, due to my position, if I DO find it on/with a person, I WILL be doing some paperwork.
Sorry. (Actually, no I'm not). But I think I'd rather get a person high on dope upset with me than the general public who've entrusted me to enforce the laws as written, whether I agree or not.
I work hard and I play hard, and, for a man of 55, I think I do a damn good job of both. I can HONESTLY say, with a straight face, that I've never consumed ANYTHING illegal, and my life has never been anything short of fantastic.
But, at work, when I have the badge on, I also have my game face on, and I take it very seriously.
My employers did not come looking for me to beg me to take the job.
Quite the opposite. For which I'm very greatful, and will do whatever it takes to show it.

I hope you understand MY perspective. Sorry if you don't-but I'm really not so bad.
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Wino you know wrote:
12vmanRick wrote:
Wino you know wrote:
buffettbride wrote:Why are they illegal in the first place?
If it pi$$es off the potheads, I'm all for it in any case.

Look-if it were up to me, EVERYBODY who works with ME gets tested.
They don't like it, look for another job.
Screw 'em in the a$$. :x
Look up why Pot is illegal. It's because the cotton farmers felt threatened. If it was ONLY because it gets you high then why are ALL pot plants illegal and not only the female, the female is the ONLY one with enough THC to get you high.
I have no idea why pot is illegal-it IS, and I'm in a position of public trust which requires me to enforce ALL laws, whether or not I agree with them.
Public intoxication from alcohol is also illegal, and I KNOW why that is.
I don't need some boob driving on public roads or highways and jepordizing MY life, YOUR life, or anybody else's life, for that matter.
Do I drink? Yes.
Do I drive after "a few"? I have.
Am I a hypocrite? You tell me. If you tell me I am, I'll humbly swallow that pill.
All I know is that I've drivien home after 3-4 beers many times, no blacking out, no loss of memory, and, pretty much in control.
But if I ever had to take a sobriety test, I may have a problem.

As for the ILLEGAL stuff, I don't go out of my way to look for it, but, due to my position, if I DO find it on/with a person, I WILL be doing some paperwork.
Sorry. (Actually, no I'm not). But I think I'd rather get a person high on dope upset with me than the general public who've entrusted me to enforce the laws as written, whether I agree or not.
I work hard and I play hard, and, for a man of 55, I think I do a damn good job of both. I can HONESTLY say, with a straight face, that I've never consumed ANYTHING illegal, and my life has never been anything short of fantastic.
But, at work, when I have the badge on, I also have my game face on, and I take it very seriously.
My employers did not come looking for me to beg me to take the job.
Quite the opposite. For which I'm very greatful, and will do whatever it takes to show it.

I hope you understand MY perspective. Sorry if you don't-but I'm really not so bad.
I understand and appreciate your position and your honesty. I have an issue though with some of your fellow officers who when pulled over after have a 12 pack or smoking something other then tobacco flash a badge and are let loose as a "professional courtesy". Actually I get kind of bent whenever I see a police officer break the law and not get cited for it. It sets a bad example and creates the perception of corruption, both of which are very bad things to do since it undermines the belief that the justice is blind and that all are treated the same by the law.

While I think that companies have the legal right to require random drug tests of their employees I don't like it. Much like I don't approve of the insurance company in Wisconsin that has banned its employees from smoking on or off the job. I think that we are starting to slip down a slope that I don't want to go down. When companies start doing genetic testing to see if individuals are predisposed toward expensive illnesses in the name of cutting insurance costs or even in the name of safety, then we will have to take a long hard look at this practice. The argument will be "Oh, he is predisposed to heart attacks or seizures, so don't hire him because he could put people at risk".

I really don't believe that a company should be able to tell you what you can or cannot do on your own time. If they want to dictate to me about my time, then they can pay me for it. Until then anything I do on my time that doesn't directly impact the job shouldn't be their business.
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The Lost Manatee wrote:I understand and appreciate your position and your honesty.
That's all I can ask for.
I have an issue though with some of your fellow officers who when pulled over after have a 12 pack or smoking something other then tobacco flash a badge and are let loose as a "professional courtesy".
You know, I have a HUGE issue with that.
Let's face it, every tree has a bad apple, but I don't need some rogue cop thinking all the job entails is putting on a uniform & bade to walk around and LOOK good. If they screw up, it makes ME look bad, and I don't need that. Yes, I have my own faults, which is WHY I believe what I believe-let me be judged on MY OWN merits, and let me rise or fall as a result of MY OWN laurels.
For the record-yes, I've stopped off duty officers who've been drinking, and, unless they've been involved in something other than having a few too many, I've given them the same choice I give ANYBODY I stop under those circumstances, and that is, first and foremost, if they pass the "STUPID TEST", I give them a choice-park the car and let ME drive you home in MY car, or, I do some paperwork. THEIR CALL. I get paid the same no matter which option they choose.
Actually I get kind of bent whenever I see a police officer break the law and not get cited for it. It sets a bad example and creates the perception of corruption, both of which are very bad things to do since it undermines the belief that the justice is blind and that all are treated the same by the law.
As I said above, I get VERY upset when that happens, and yes, in my eyes, justice is blind. I don't want to elaborate too much, but I've lost some supposed friends because of those beliefs. Which tells me just what kind of friends they are/were to begin with.
While I think that companies have the legal right to require random drug tests of their employees I don't like it.
I can understand that too. But THEIR company, THEIR rules.
I may not like it, you may not like it, but it's the same as if you are a guest in my house-you comply with MY rules, just as I would if I were in your house.
Much like I don't approve of the insurance company in Wisconsin that has banned its employees from smoking on or off the job.
Not allowing an employee to smoke CIGARETTS off the job is pushing the envelope in my opinion too, but, as I said, their company, their rules.

I really don't believe that a company should be able to tell you what you can or cannot do on your own time.
It depends on the job.
In my profession, they can, and they SHOULD.
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LaTda! wrote:
nutmeg wrote:I worked for a large chemical company. (in an office capacity, not with the chemicals)

We could get called by Medical at any time and had to arrive within the hour for a drug test.

We had a person who was scheduled to present at a meeting with 50 people in it. No excuses. She had to report for the test. She was able to get to Medical, do the test, and get back missing only about 15 minutes of the meeting. It was a safety meeting so people understood :lol:

I didn't disagree with the testing. Our business could be a very dangerous one...people high on drugs could make it deadly.
I wasn't aware that they could differentiate whether you took the drugs at work or after you got home from work, hmmmm
Umm...didn't matter...if it was detectable at the time of the test, that was it.
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Dezdmona wrote:
creeky wrote:
Dezdmona wrote:Sports personalities are "supposedly" role models for kids.

Yup...here Jr. it's alright to smoke dope and snort coke as long as your not at work...your favorite sports star does it. :roll:
So are movie stars ........ teachers ..... they dont get tested ..... I am just saying these guys are being treated differently.
I don't like having to explain to my son why ANY public personality is caught in a shameful position.

I can only hope that a Teacher would be more of a role model than a sports personality or a movie star, heaven forbid I have explain why some Teacher or Coach got arrested for some offense or another. :roll:

The degree of fame doesn't change the message.
And we have to explain to my 9 year old nephew - why the person that is his most absolute idol is on the news for taking drugs and it was really sad when I talked to him on the phone yesterday how disappointed he is.

Talk about role models however, and I am sure there are more fathers out there doing this in front of their children - than sports stars that get caught - it is just sad .....

There is more to this story on our footballer - he has been fighting depression all his life - and as a male, was too scared to tell people - for fear of being ridiculed etc - so he fell in to drugs to escape the limelight (this guy has been classified as the best rugby league player in the world EVER - so you can imagine the publicity - and it is not limited to Australia - but England ... NEw Zealand etc).

I know it is not an excuse - but having been a sufferer of depression myself and the "stigma" that comes with it - I hope the fact that he has been able to come out in the public now and reveal his battle and his brother (another famous footballer) is also revealing sides of the story - that this might actually HELP the kids who worship him - those that are having issues etc - to go seek help ....

One can only hope .....

But I still stand by my line that these things do not do anythign to enhance their performance - I dont agree with the use of illegal drugs, but I do believe in equality - and we either all get tested or we dont ....
(except for those that have to fly planes ... drive trucks etc!)
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Post by inked-parrotthead »

What sucks is you could burn one Sat.nite at the concert get tested Monday and fail,now you are no way still high from Sat. Or that would be some wicked sh**.I guess what Im trying to say is ,why can a employer tell you what you can do on your free time,Im not saying I want a stoned pilot,or surgeon.
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creeky wrote:
Dezdmona wrote:
creeky wrote:
Dezdmona wrote:Sports personalities are "supposedly" role models for kids.

Yup...here Jr. it's alright to smoke dope and snort coke as long as your not at work...your favorite sports star does it. :roll:
So are movie stars ........ teachers ..... they dont get tested ..... I am just saying these guys are being treated differently.
I don't like having to explain to my son why ANY public personality is caught in a shameful position.

I can only hope that a Teacher would be more of a role model than a sports personality or a movie star, heaven forbid I have explain why some Teacher or Coach got arrested for some offense or another. :roll:

The degree of fame doesn't change the message.
And we have to explain to my 9 year old nephew - why the person that is his most absolute idol is on the news for taking drugs and it was really sad when I talked to him on the phone yesterday how disappointed he is.

Talk about role models however, and I am sure there are more fathers out there doing this in front of their children - than sports stars that get caught - it is just sad .....

There is more to this story on our footballer - he has been fighting depression all his life - and as a male, was too scared to tell people - for fear of being ridiculed etc - so he fell in to drugs to escape the limelight (this guy has been classified as the best rugby league player in the world EVER - so you can imagine the publicity - and it is not limited to Australia - but England ... NEw Zealand etc).

I know it is not an excuse - but having been a sufferer of depression myself and the "stigma" that comes with it - I hope the fact that he has been able to come out in the public now and reveal his battle and his brother (another famous footballer) is also revealing sides of the story - that this might actually HELP the kids who worship him - those that are having issues etc - to go seek help ....

One can only hope .....

But I still stand by my line that these things do not do anythign to enhance their performance - I dont agree with the use of illegal drugs, but I do believe in equality - and we either all get tested or we dont ....
(except for those that have to fly planes ... drive trucks etc!)
Not sound disrespectful but what you're faced with in telling your nephew is nothing new to many parents here in the US. Drug use in professional athletes has been in the public light since the 1970's. This is a prime opportunity to talk to your nephew about the risks of taking drugs and what taking drugs can do to your life.

And not to be disrespectful but it also sounds as if you are coming up with every reason you can to excuse his behavior because you are a fan. Yes I'm sure that there are fathers out there that do drugs in front of their children.

And Yes it's a known fact that those suffering from depression tend to self medicate be it with drugs or alcohol.

The simple fact is Andrew Johns was BUSTSED - did a dope fiend move by saying "someone put it in my pocket" (kinda like Lindsey Lohan there)

I just check out the ASDA's website - there's quite a bit of deterrance resources there that has been available to all Australian athletes. From the looks of the website - all Australian athletes are subject to the anti doping rules for their respective sport and are all well aware of the consequences and requirements placed upon them. Johns is not the first rugby player to be suspended for drug use and I'm sure he won't be the last either.
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inked-parrotthead wrote:What sucks is you could burn one Sat.nite at the concert get tested Monday and fail,now you are no way still high from Sat. Or that would be some wicked sh**.I guess what Im trying to say is ,why can a employer tell you what you can do on your free time,Im not saying I want a stoned pilot,or surgeon.
personally I think the fact that marijuana stays in your system much longer than other drugs is one of the reason for the rise in other drugs such as cocaine, heroin and meth. If I'm not mistaken those get out of your system in as little as 72 hours.
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Only thing I know is Hair tests are the WORST.

I have only had 2 of them in my lifetime, and have had 50% success on them. They can go back as far as 9 years as I was told to see what you have done. The one I failed was back in the mid 90s, and was about 2/3 weeks after a Tom Petty show where everything was done that night.


The Wizz Quiz is very easy to pass for most drugs. Marijuana can sometimes stay in your stream for over a week.... But.... If you go to the better drugs(I hate using that word better for this).... But... You can have Cocaine( any form be it powder or crack, snorting or freebasing) can be out of your system in about 3 days.

Wizz quiz is very easy to pass as long as it is not random. Just make sure you are clean for a couple days, and you should have no problem at all.


THIS IS NOT ENDORSING DRUGS, AND I AM NOT TELLING HOW TO DO THEM... JUST A LITTLE ADVICE IF YOU EVER DO DABBLE AND NEED TO PASS A TEST
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ph4ever wrote:
creeky wrote:
Dezdmona wrote:
creeky wrote:
Dezdmona wrote:Sports personalities are "supposedly" role models for kids.

Yup...here Jr. it's alright to smoke dope and snort coke as long as your not at work...your favorite sports star does it. :roll:
So are movie stars ........ teachers ..... they dont get tested ..... I am just saying these guys are being treated differently.
I don't like having to explain to my son why ANY public personality is caught in a shameful position.

I can only hope that a Teacher would be more of a role model than a sports personality or a movie star, heaven forbid I have explain why some Teacher or Coach got arrested for some offense or another. :roll:

The degree of fame doesn't change the message.
And we have to explain to my 9 year old nephew - why the person that is his most absolute idol is on the news for taking drugs and it was really sad when I talked to him on the phone yesterday how disappointed he is.

Talk about role models however, and I am sure there are more fathers out there doing this in front of their children - than sports stars that get caught - it is just sad .....

There is more to this story on our footballer - he has been fighting depression all his life - and as a male, was too scared to tell people - for fear of being ridiculed etc - so he fell in to drugs to escape the limelight (this guy has been classified as the best rugby league player in the world EVER - so you can imagine the publicity - and it is not limited to Australia - but England ... NEw Zealand etc).

I know it is not an excuse - but having been a sufferer of depression myself and the "stigma" that comes with it - I hope the fact that he has been able to come out in the public now and reveal his battle and his brother (another famous footballer) is also revealing sides of the story - that this might actually HELP the kids who worship him - those that are having issues etc - to go seek help ....

One can only hope .....

But I still stand by my line that these things do not do anythign to enhance their performance - I dont agree with the use of illegal drugs, but I do believe in equality - and we either all get tested or we dont ....
(except for those that have to fly planes ... drive trucks etc!)
Not sound disrespectful but what you're faced with in telling your nephew is nothing new to many parents here in the US. Drug use in professional athletes has been in the public light since the 1970's. This is a prime opportunity to talk to your nephew about the risks of taking drugs and what taking drugs can do to your life.

And not to be disrespectful but it also sounds as if you are coming up with every reason you can to excuse his behavior because you are a fan. Yes I'm sure that there are fathers out there that do drugs in front of their children.

And Yes it's a known fact that those suffering from depression tend to self medicate be it with drugs or alcohol.

The simple fact is Andrew Johns was BUSTSED - did a dope fiend move by saying "someone put it in my pocket" (kinda like Lindsey Lohan there)

I just check out the ASDA's website - there's quite a bit of deterrance resources there that has been available to all Australian athletes. From the looks of the website - all Australian athletes are subject to the anti doping rules for their respective sport and are all well aware of the consequences and requirements placed upon them. Johns is not the first rugby player to be suspended for drug use and I'm sure he won't be the last either.
No disrespect found :D - I realised there would be two sides to this when I posted it ......

Also - it is NO surprise to us from Newcastle about this bust - cause it has been a "known secret" for years that he hit the "stuff" in the off season - stories of him being found in bars in a drugged state were everywhere.

What is sad is that it seems that those officially in the "know" did nothing to help him - also know he has to help himself.

And no - not really making excuses - I have had this view on recreational drug testing for sports people long before this - I dont get tested to do my work - why should he if he is not working in the off season - its just a question of equality - not a question of whether he should have taken them or not - I dont think he should. He had to retire prematurely - I am sure the drugs had some contribution to this.

Now this guy is plastered all over the newspapers - 5 pages in the Sydney paper today - isnt there bigger news? I can understand it in Newcastle paper but in Sydney? There are thousands of people out of jobs for months because our racehourses have been hit by equine flu - that is bigger news that one individual .....

So - now his family fear he will take his life -because of all the publicity now - just let him go get his treatment - get well - then give it the publicity. It is not worth having someone take their life.
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And I really love a good spirited debate -and this thread has remained this way so far - so a BIG thanks to everyone for their views - in a good spirit!
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Let's have a big hand for the master debaters...
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(sorry - four years on the rhetoric squad and all I remember is the bad jokes)
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Post by Gulfbreeze »

creeky wrote:And I really love a good spirited debate -and this thread has remained this way so far - so a BIG thanks to everyone for their views - in a good spirit!
I can stir something up...if you want... :lol: :lol: :wink:
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Post by Brown Eyed Girl »

Don't the contracts of pro athletes have various clauses dictating what is acceptable or unacceptable, what they can or can't do be it in off season or not? If it is spelled out in the contract and the athlete agrees to it by signing said contract, what is there to discuss?

And Jenny, you consider recreational drugs NOT to be performance enhancing. How bout the flip side? Over time, use of recreational drugs (off season or on) *could* diminish/decrease an athlete's abilities. If I was the one forking over the beaucoup bucks for their salary I'd sure as hell want to know what they were doing.
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Post by Lightning Bolt »

this is a great discussion, and I find it HIGHLY amusing...

amusing that it's being tabled in a forum that is located on BUFFETTnews,
a great site formed in celebration of our musical "hero" Jimmy Buffett,
who, throughout the course of his entire career, and many a song
... has hailed the pleasures of the life and times of the consumption of RECREATIONAL DRUGS!!!
..and we're talkin' ALL of 'em, here!! :lol:

Does this make him some kind of law-breaking a$$?? I don't believe so.
Funny how with certain advocations in life, we can "look the other way"
He's an artist. :roll: 8)

Legal... schmeegal

If you choose a job where they say "Don't do it!"... then you best not do it!
If you want to partake, go ahead... just learn the risks.

now.... I want to continue with my PWI :P :lol:
$#@&...only Vegas again?? Padres ...gotta start believin'!Bring on '14 Spring Training!
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