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I have a question ... I do not know what happens with your professional sportsmen/women - but here, they get drug tested not only for performance enhancing drugs - but also "recreational" (but illegal) drugs - eg marijuana, speed etc.

Now - while I do not agree with recreational drugs on any level (never touched them) ..... we have had an issue here that raises the question ...

The "hero" of our town in football - just recently retired, got arrested in London for having an ecstacy tablet in his pocket.

Since he got home - all hell has broken loose - and he has now revealed he took drugs during his whole career and the media is in a frenzy as to how he could "cheat" the drug tests (he took them mainly during the off season - that is reason he was not caught).

I DONT GET TESTED for recreational drugs to do my job - why should they? I agree on performance enhancing - but I dont believe this role model excuse ....... there are bigger role models on drugs ..... do they drug test doctors? nurses? people with other peoples lives in their hands ....

Seems the world falls apart that a footballer takes illegal drugs - that you cannot imagine would "enahnce" his performance...

I think it is unfair .....

discuss

Jenny-
You know I love you, but we totally disagree on this issue.
Drugs are against the law, period.
I.M.O., every athlete, govenment employee, and ANYONE in a position of public trust should get tested.
I don't care about living in "modern times," "getting with it," or the "everybody does it" crap.
They're wrong, they're illegal, and if I find them on MY beat, somebody is going down BIG TIME.

Wino you know wrote:Jenny-
You know I love you, but we totally disagree on this issue.
Drugs are against the law, period.
I.M.O., every athlete, govenment employee, and ANYONE in a position of public trust should get tested.
I don't care about living in "modern times," "getting with it," or the "everybody does it" crap.
They're wrong, they're illegal, and if I find them on MY beat, somebody is going down BIG TIME.

I dont disagree with you - what I disagree with is that they HAVE To get tested for work - when I dont - it is an unfair system - either we all get tested - or none need to unless they have to operate machinery - or guns

i failed a drug test in high school...i sat in a nurses office for 2 hours trying to pee in that stupid little cup...couldnt do it...call it stage fright...and do u think that my parents believed that....


but in the case of ur football player...laws are laws...drugs are illegal so if u get caught u get caught...if they keep letting people get away with it then everyone else will think its ok....

plus performance enhancers or recreational drugs...all hurt your body in some way...

Illegal drugs are illegal even if you call them recreational. Testing is required for many jobs. I don't have a problem with employers testing for safety (liability) reasons. I would have a problem with employers narcing out offenders and reporting them to the police.

It's a corporate decision here whether or not to test for drugs.

Most companies, including sports teams these days (i.e., your footballer) have moral behavior expectations of their employees and engaging in illegal drugs violates that expectation.

Also, if someone is engaging in illegal, albeit recreational, drug use away from work, how does an employer know that that employee is able to refrain from using on the job?

Many industries in the states test for drugs of all kinds. Several athletes from major sports in the US have tested positive for recreational drugs and been suspended.

As stated above, it depends on the corporate policy, but I can assure you that in America there have been cases where people at all levels of jobs - from CEOs down to waiters/waitresses at food service places - have lost their job for testing positive for recreational drugs, be it a hard drug like cocaine or something as "incidental" as marijuana.

The US has made a big deal about the "war on drugs" for well over 20 years now. Because of that there may be a greater emphasis and attitude towards it here than in other countries. However, if the same incident were to occur in the US, it certainly wouldn't be looked on as unfair I don't believe.

I am against random drug testing.

What I choose do on my own time is my own business and I don't need Big Brother sticking his nose into my private affairs.

I know from personal experience and wide acquaintance that, except for the rare exception, airline pilots are the most trustworthy, dependable and dedicated professionals in the world, far ahead of doctors, lawyers, police officers, teachers, etc.

When was the last time you picked up a paper and read about an airline pilot molesting someone's kid, risking other people's lives on the job because of a crack cocaine or pain killer addiction, bilking the company's shareholders of millions, etc?

I would have no hesitation in recommending airline pilots as ideal husbands for your daughters (or sons) or wives for your sons (or daughters).

Aside from huge egos, the tendency to blather on in an expert way about things they know nothing about, and occasionally falling down from too much rum (off the job) they make great companions.

I got a new job as a widget tester consultant. (I know, there aren't very many of us.)

The job is somewhat physically and mentally demanding, and numerous cases have shown that there is a correllation between job performance and illegal parking practices. Sometimes illegal parking contributes to poor job performace, sometimes it actually improves job performance, but there is a link in the mind of most people.

So in a new effort to monitor and control my on-the-job performance, I have had a "black box" installed in my personal automobile (which I never use for work). The suits will review the measurements contained in the black box monthly. If they find that I have parked illegally, they can fire me and turn me over to the civil authorities for citations and fines (as well as points on my d.l.)

Illegal parking is, and always has been, against the law, and my parking habits affect my employer, in numerous and complicated ways. Should I agree to this invasion of my private life outside of work?

(FWIW - I thought the title of this thread was about quality control)

bravedave wrote:I got a new job as a widget tester consultant. (I know, there aren't very many of us.)

The job is somewhat physically and mentally demanding, and numerous cases have shown that there is a correllation between job performance and illegal parking practices. Sometimes illegal parking contributes to poor job performace, sometimes it actually improves job performance, but there is a link in the mind of most people.

So in a new effort to monitor and control my on-the-job performance, I have had a "black box" installed in my personal automobile (which I never use for work). The suits will review the measurements contained in the black box monthly. If they find that I have parked illegally, they can fire me and turn me over to the civil authorities for citations and fines (as well as points on my d.l.)

Illegal parking is, and always has been, against the law, and my parking habits affect my employer, in numerous and complicated ways. Should I agree to this invasion of my private life outside of work?

Congratulations on your new job, Dave!

I worked for a large chemical company. (in an office capacity, not with the chemicals)

We could get called by Medical at any time and had to arrive within the hour for a drug test.

We had a person who was scheduled to present at a meeting with 50 people in it. No excuses. She had to report for the test. She was able to get to Medical, do the test, and get back missing only about 15 minutes of the meeting. It was a safety meeting so people understood

I didn't disagree with the testing. Our business could be a very dangerous one...people high on drugs could make it deadly.

Wino you know wrote:Jenny-
You know I love you, but we totally disagree on this issue.
Drugs are against the law, period.
I.M.O., every athlete, govenment employee, and ANYONE in a position of public trust should get tested.
I don't care about living in "modern times," "getting with it," or the "everybody does it" crap.
They're wrong, they're illegal, and if I find them on MY beat, somebody is going down BIG TIME.

so is tax evasion, but you seemed ok with that one.

I worked for a cable company years ago. We were always hiring installers. Typically we would interview candidates, tell them of the drug testing policy, any that stated they could pass a drug test and had a pulse were considered for employment. Out of groups of 20 less than half would actually pass the urine test. Based on the support for the druggie lifestyle here, we should have just hired the stoners and risked the liability of having high employee cause damage to either property or life. I'm sure the recreational drug supporters wouldn't mind a stoned cable installer coming into their house.

I am not a believer in random testing. Either everyone gets tested, or you test in the aftermath of an incident where performance had to be impaired to create the situation.

I don't use recreational pharmaceuticals, the extent of my activities include alcohol in moderation and tobacco. A coworker also pointed out that drug testing could reveal other medical information, such as pregnancy or another condition, and who is to say what they do with that information in connection with insurance premiums, etc.

I am innocent until proven guilty, and the standards of legal searches should be applied in this situation as well.

bravedave wrote:I got a new job as a widget tester consultant. (I know, there aren't very many of us.)

The job is somewhat physically and mentally demanding, and numerous cases have shown that there is a correllation between job performance and illegal parking practices. Sometimes illegal parking contributes to poor job performace, sometimes it actually improves job performance, but there is a link in the mind of most people.

So in a new effort to monitor and control my on-the-job performance, I have had a "black box" installed in my personal automobile (which I never use for work). The suits will review the measurements contained in the black box monthly. If they find that I have parked illegally, they can fire me and turn me over to the civil authorities for citations and fines (as well as points on my d.l.)

Illegal parking is, and always has been, against the law, and my parking habits affect my employer, in numerous and complicated ways. Should I agree to this invasion of my private life outside of work?

Only if you will also agree to having an RFID chip installed in your A$$ so the suits can keep track of your whereabouts 24/7 365 days of the year. It's for your own safety and security you understand.

Why are they illegal in the first place?

buffettbride wrote:Why are they illegal in the first place?

Haven't you ever seen this movie?

Skibo wrote:

buffettbride wrote:Why are they illegal in the first place?

Haven't you ever seen this movie?

never looked for it, but I am sure you can find it south of I-10

Skibo wrote:

buffettbride wrote:Why are they illegal in the first place?

Haven't you ever seen this movie?

I don't know which is scarier...your sig line or that poster.