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RinglingRingling wrote:

Cheerwine Charly wrote:

RinglingRingling wrote:

HsvParrothead wrote:And being where I'm from.. yeah, never really considered Virginia in "The South".

Despite who was on who's side during the Civil War.. in reality, these days it's just too close to D.C. to count

Just remember, Maryland is really the northern-most Southern state...

If you don't have Carolina Kool-Aid (i.e. sweet tea) then you're not in the South. Maryland does not have Carolina Kool-Aid.

no, but runaway slaves were fair game in Maryland, and locals were perfectly-happy to hunt down escapees for the bounties when they returned the captured.

don't forget every state north of the Mason-Dixon line too thanks to the Dred-Scott case. Wasn't until the run-away slaves reached Canada were they really safe.

carolinagirl wrote:

Conolulu wrote:

longlinergirl wrote:

carolinagirl wrote:

green1 wrote:All of you BN'rs from the deep south. Do you consider Newport News VA to be the deep south? Lived in Savannah for 4 years. That, to me is the deep south, Charleston, New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Lake Charles, Jackson, Talladega, Macon, Augusta, Columbia, Myrtle Beach, Pensacola, Mobile . . . all to me are the deep south. Newport News, not so much.

People in Georgia don't consider Virginia to be even the plain old South. My husband is from Va., and he's always being told he's from "Up North." He has to tell people Richmond was the capital of the Confederacy.

Charleston doesn't consider itself to be the DEEP South, I don't think. I grew up there, and people referred to the deep South as Georgia, Alabama and Mississippi.

Not Pensacola or any part of Florida, I don't think.

As the 3rd state to secede from the Union before Georgia and Alabama and right afyer Mississippi...I think some Floridians might disagree with you...

Yep...I lived in the tip top NE corner of Florida 20 yrs....some folks called it South Georgia...

and now in the NW tip....It's totally The South.....

And I have a lifelong love affair with The South ...

Sorry, Connie, they don't serve sweet tea in Florida, so I almost don't consider it the South! But really I was saying the DEEP South... Does Florida consider itself part of the Deep South?

Parts of Florida , yes....When I lived in Fernandina...Certainly!

" Known as the "Isle of 8 Flags", it had the following flags flown over it since 1562: France, Spain, Great Britain, Spain (again), the Patriots of Amelia Island, the Green Cross of Florida, Mexico, the Confederate States of America, and the United States. It is the only municipality in the United States that has flown eight different national flags."


And here it is Sweet Tea too.....everywhere...But remember , this is right where FL, GA, and Alabama meet ...just about 50 miles up the road...

But I don't consider myself a Floridian ....I lived in SC way longer...

But yes...parts of Florida are really really Southern.....

Is Connecticut considered the deep south? Cause we have dog fighting here. And no, I don't do it. I have a friend whose dog was rescued from a group that raised dogs to fight. My friend's dog wasn't one of the fighters--it was one of the dogs they put between the fighters to teach 'em to fight.

green1 wrote:

RinglingRingling wrote:

Cheerwine Charly wrote:

RinglingRingling wrote:

HsvParrothead wrote:And being where I'm from.. yeah, never really considered Virginia in "The South".

Despite who was on who's side during the Civil War.. in reality, these days it's just too close to D.C. to count

Just remember, Maryland is really the northern-most Southern state...

If you don't have Carolina Kool-Aid (i.e. sweet tea) then you're not in the South. Maryland does not have Carolina Kool-Aid.

no, but runaway slaves were fair game in Maryland, and locals were perfectly-happy to hunt down escapees for the bounties when they returned the captured.

don't forget every state north of the Mason-Dixon line too thanks to the Dred-Scott case. Wasn't until the run-away slaves reached Canada were they really safe.

true, but Maryland really turned it into an paying proposition

Conolulu wrote:

carolinagirl wrote:

Conolulu wrote:

longlinergirl wrote:

carolinagirl wrote:

green1 wrote:All of you BN'rs from the deep south. Do you consider Newport News VA to be the deep south? Lived in Savannah for 4 years. That, to me is the deep south, Charleston, New Orleans, Baton Rouge, Lake Charles, Jackson, Talladega, Macon, Augusta, Columbia, Myrtle Beach, Pensacola, Mobile . . . all to me are the deep south. Newport News, not so much.

People in Georgia don't consider Virginia to be even the plain old South. My husband is from Va., and he's always being told he's from "Up North." He has to tell people Richmond was the capital of the Confederacy.

Charleston doesn't consider itself to be the DEEP South, I don't think. I grew up there, and people referred to the deep South as Georgia, Alabama and Mississippi.

Not Pensacola or any part of Florida, I don't think.

As the 3rd state to secede from the Union before Georgia and Alabama and right afyer Mississippi...I think some Floridians might disagree with you...

Yep...I lived in the tip top NE corner of Florida 20 yrs....some folks called it South Georgia...

and now in the NW tip....It's totally The South.....

And I have a lifelong love affair with The South ...

Sorry, Connie, they don't serve sweet tea in Florida, so I almost don't consider it the South! But really I was saying the DEEP South... Does Florida consider itself part of the Deep South?

Parts of Florida , yes....When I lived in Fernandina...Certainly!

" Known as the "Isle of 8 Flags", it had the following flags flown over it since 1562: France, Spain, Great Britain, Spain (again), the Patriots of Amelia Island, the Green Cross of Florida, Mexico, the Confederate States of America, and the United States. It is the only municipality in the United States that has flown eight different national flags."


And here it is Sweet Tea too.....everywhere...But remember , this is right where FL, GA, and Alabama meet ...just about 50 miles up the road...

But I don't consider myself a Floridian ....I lived in SC way longer...

But yes...parts of Florida are really really Southern.....

so, are you saying they don't call certain areas the Redneck Riviera for nothing?

Trust me...It IS the Redneck Riviera.....





(and I'll call you when the phone starts working again.. )

Conolulu wrote:Trust me...It IS the Redneck Riviera.....





(and I'll call you when the phone starts working again.. )

Bailey's napping - resting up for that call

Remember these 2 facts....

1) the first shots were in Charleston, SC
2) the North held a fort in KEY WEST!!

Conolulu wrote:

Doesn't count.. Boss Hogg and Andy Taylor never went there

God I miss you, Kevin..

I might be around a lil bit more.. now that I'm off that island and far, far away from Margaritahell.. nonetheless, have missed you too!

popcornjack wrote:Is Connecticut considered the deep south? Cause we have dog fighting here. And no, I don't do it. I have a friend whose dog was rescued from a group that raised dogs to fight. My friend's dog wasn't one of the fighters--it was one of the dogs they put between the fighters to teach 'em to fight.

Funny you should mention that.. cause while I was upstairs cleaning up.. it occurred to me.. I've typically always considered dog fighting to be more rooted in the Northeastern urban areas.. maybe even in England? I'm talkin' back in the 1800's through the turn of the century. Didn't they even portray it in Gangs of New York? Whereas.. cock fights have always been more of the rural Southern sport..
Even college mascots: University of South Carolina "Gamecocks" and Jacksonville State University "Gamecocks" here in Bama..

am I wrong here?

ph4ever wrote:I'm from Texas - we sometimes don't consider ourselves to be a part of the south but in the same sense anything north of the Red River is a yankee too.

Texas may consider anyone North of the Red River a Yankee, but that doesn't make it so.....

Kansas, Missouri, and Arkansas were all sympathetic to the Southern Effort in the Civil War. Even the small town where I lived, after moving from close to Tulsa, has history of a skirmish w/Union Soldiers as witness and recorded from Blue Mountain, near Wagoner, OK..

I have also heard people from parts of Florida say they do not consider all of Florida....Southern...


dog fighting was big money in Oklahoma, and I knew people that were involved in it...

didn't say they were friends, by any means, a lot of them got out of it when it became a federal offense.... some didn't

there were dog fighting rings in Texas, Kansas, and New Mexico as well as Louisiana....

HsvParrothead wrote:

popcornjack wrote:Is Connecticut considered the deep south? Cause we have dog fighting here. And no, I don't do it. I have a friend whose dog was rescued from a group that raised dogs to fight. My friend's dog wasn't one of the fighters--it was one of the dogs they put between the fighters to teach 'em to fight.

Funny you should mention that.. cause while I was upstairs cleaning up.. it occurred to me.. I've typically always considered dog fighting to be more rooted in the Northeastern urban areas.. maybe even in England? I'm talkin' back in the 1800's through the turn of the century. Didn't they even portray it in Gangs of New York? Whereas.. cock fights have always been more of the rural Southern sport..
Even college mascots: University of South Carolina "Gamecocks" and Jacksonville State University "Gamecocks" here in Bama..

am I wrong here?

England had a lot of really "fun" animal sports including ratting (terriers and rats in an arena), bear-baiting (pack of dogs, one bear), etc.

Sidew13 wrote:Remember these 2 facts....

1) the first shots were in Charleston, SC
2) the North held a fort in KEY WEST!!

Ft. Clinch, Amelia Island, was a Union Fort, take over briefly by the Confederates, and the first Fort to be reclaimed by the Union...

not that it has anything to do with dog fighting.

there are a tremendous amount of American Terrier Pit Bulls in and around coastal s/e Georgia, but all I've seen appear to be pets, not been in fights or used in training...all held by very strong leashes or chains...

I lived in the town and work at the University that he helped make famous with his excellent ball playing. I ate hot dogs and cheered for him a mile aaway from my house in Lane Stadium. Then his bro came along, Marcus. I'm not sure if you all are aware of this, but he got cought with drugs and with underage girls several times, and was eventually kicked off the team. After that, this Vick news isnt really a surpise to me. Their was and is something wrong with the Vick household and the values that they raised their children on. BTW Vick is from Newport News, which is by no means a redneck, southern, or poor area. He was raised in a city, not the backwoods, where he might have learned that such things are acceptable.

Triathlete-Parakeet2 wrote:I lived in the town and work at the University that he helped make famous with his excellent ball playing. I ate hot dogs and cheered for him a mile aaway from my house in Lane Stadium. Then his bro came along, Marcus. I'm not sure if you all are aware of this, but he got cought with drugs and with underage girls several times, and was eventually kicked off the team. After that, this Vick news isnt really a surpise to me. Their was and is something wrong with the Vick household and the values that they raised their children on. BTW Vick is from Newport News, which is by no means a redneck, southern, or poor area. He was raised in a city, not the backwoods, where he might have learned that such things are acceptable.

So there, Whoopi!

I figure the whole thing was dreamed up to create controversy and boost ratings anyway...

I say it tongue-in-cheek all the time, but where I grew up, New York City was the South and Philadelphia was the Deep South..... Florida? Isn't that in South America?

But until I was 17, I'd never been south of Philly, and only outside New England maybe twice....

carolinagirl wrote:

LIPH wrote:Just a thought, but maybe by saying it's a "southern" thing or a "cultural" thing she's trying to avoid playing the race card. And I agree with just about everyone else, she is an idiot.

Good point, Larry...


Here's the whole clip from the View: http://abc.go.com/daytime/theview/index

Elisabeth says, she has a hard time thinking that Michael Vick didn't have this brought to his attention at some time that this was wrong. Whoopi says, "no I don't think he did, because he was brought up in this culture."

execpt didn't Mikes Dad tell him to drop the stuff??

Moonie wrote:

ph4ever wrote:I'm from Texas - we sometimes don't consider ourselves to be a part of the south but in the same sense anything north of the Red River is a yankee too.

Texas may consider anyone North of the Red River a Yankee, but that doesn't make it so.....

Kansas, Missouri, and Arkansas were all sympathetic to the Southern Effort in the Civil War. Even the small town where I lived, after moving from close to Tulsa, has history of a skirmish w/Union Soldiers as witness and recorded from Blue Mountain, near Wagoner, OK..

I have also heard people from parts of Florida say they do not consider all of Florida....Southern...


dog fighting was big money in Oklahoma, and I knew people that were involved in it...

didn't say they were friends, by any means, a lot of them got out of it when it became a federal offense.... some didn't

there were dog fighting rings in Texas, Kansas, and New Mexico as well as Louisiana....

and clear to California..

The further north you go in Florida the further south you are.
Smack dab in Skynyrd country.

btw
When are they gonna bring Steve Spurrier up on cruelty charges?
He's been violently abusing bulldogs for over 15 years

sonofabeach wrote:
btw
When are they gonna bring Steve Spurrier up on cruelty charges?
He's been violently abusing bulldogs for over 15 years

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