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I don't know, they were down there to assist, and on their off time they tried to relieve the stress a bit. The kkk napkins were out of line but other than that, I don't see a problem, provided the guns were unloaded

thebeachbumm33 wrote:I don't know, they were down there to assist, and on their off time they tried to relieve the stress a bit. The kkk napkins were out of line but other than that, I don't see a problem, provided the guns were unloaded

i just don't think they should have been in their uniforms! if they wanted to do that stuff off duty in plain clothes that's fine.

flipflopgirl wrote:

thebeachbumm33 wrote:I don't know, they were down there to assist, and on their off time they tried to relieve the stress a bit. The kkk napkins were out of line but other than that, I don't see a problem, provided the guns were unloaded

i just don't think they should have been in their uniforms! if they wanted to do that stuff off duty in plain clothes that's fine.

How many extra clothes do you honestly think they took to help with the Katrina cleanup?

They probably had little time to pack, and not much room to carry a whole heck of a lot of extra clothes.

And everybody needs down time.

SharkOnLand wrote:

flipflopgirl wrote:

thebeachbumm33 wrote:I don't know, they were down there to assist, and on their off time they tried to relieve the stress a bit. The kkk napkins were out of line but other than that, I don't see a problem, provided the guns were unloaded

i just don't think they should have been in their uniforms! if they wanted to do that stuff off duty in plain clothes that's fine.

How many extra clothes do you honestly think they took to help with the Katrina cleanup?

They probably had little time to pack, and not much room to carry a whole heck of a lot of extra clothes.

And everybody needs down time.

i'm not saying that they didn't deserve downtime, but come on.

flipflopgirl wrote:

SharkOnLand wrote:

flipflopgirl wrote:

thebeachbumm33 wrote:I don't know, they were down there to assist, and on their off time they tried to relieve the stress a bit. The kkk napkins were out of line but other than that, I don't see a problem, provided the guns were unloaded

i just don't think they should have been in their uniforms! if they wanted to do that stuff off duty in plain clothes that's fine.

How many extra clothes do you honestly think they took to help with the Katrina cleanup?

They probably had little time to pack, and not much room to carry a whole heck of a lot of extra clothes.

And everybody needs down time.

i'm not saying that they didn't deserve downtime, but come on.

So they should be fired for having "downtime" in a police uniform? If you stop for drinks after work, do you change clothes?

SharkOnLand wrote:

flipflopgirl wrote:

SharkOnLand wrote:

flipflopgirl wrote:

thebeachbumm33 wrote:I don't know, they were down there to assist, and on their off time they tried to relieve the stress a bit. The kkk napkins were out of line but other than that, I don't see a problem, provided the guns were unloaded

i just don't think they should have been in their uniforms! if they wanted to do that stuff off duty in plain clothes that's fine.

How many extra clothes do you honestly think they took to help with the Katrina cleanup?

They probably had little time to pack, and not much room to carry a whole heck of a lot of extra clothes.

And everybody needs down time.

i'm not saying that they didn't deserve downtime, but come on.

So they should be fired for having "downtime" in a police uniform? If you stop for drinks after work, do you change clothes?

a lot of the cops i know are not allowed to go out drinking in their uniforms and they just don't do it.

and yes i do because i work in a hospital and don't want to walk around in clothes with all those germs on them

flipflopgirl wrote:

SharkOnLand wrote:

flipflopgirl wrote:

SharkOnLand wrote:

flipflopgirl wrote:

thebeachbumm33 wrote:I don't know, they were down there to assist, and on their off time they tried to relieve the stress a bit. The kkk napkins were out of line but other than that, I don't see a problem, provided the guns were unloaded

i just don't think they should have been in their uniforms! if they wanted to do that stuff off duty in plain clothes that's fine.

How many extra clothes do you honestly think they took to help with the Katrina cleanup?

They probably had little time to pack, and not much room to carry a whole heck of a lot of extra clothes.

And everybody needs down time.

i'm not saying that they didn't deserve downtime, but come on.

So they should be fired for having "downtime" in a police uniform? If you stop for drinks after work, do you change clothes?

a lot of the cops i know are not allowed to go out drinking in their uniforms and they just don't do it.

and yes i do because i work in a hospital and don't want to walk around in clothes with all those germs on them

The cops in AC where their uniforms after work, I've seen them drinking at the Irish Pub and I feel better about going there after hours because they do.

thebeachbumm33 wrote:

flipflopgirl wrote:

SharkOnLand wrote:

flipflopgirl wrote:

SharkOnLand wrote:

flipflopgirl wrote: i just don't think they should have been in their uniforms! if they wanted to do that stuff off duty in plain clothes that's fine.

How many extra clothes do you honestly think they took to help with the Katrina cleanup?

They probably had little time to pack, and not much room to carry a whole heck of a lot of extra clothes.

And everybody needs down time.

i'm not saying that they didn't deserve downtime, but come on.

So they should be fired for having "downtime" in a police uniform? If you stop for drinks after work, do you change clothes?

a lot of the cops i know are not allowed to go out drinking in their uniforms and they just don't do it.

and yes i do because i work in a hospital and don't want to walk around in clothes with all those germs on them

The cops in AC where their uniforms after work, I've seen them drinking at the Irish Pub and I feel better about going there after hours because they do.

maybe their dept allows it and if it does then it's no problem for them!

Anyone that goes to Hooters should be fired for bad taste. The Tilted Kilt is much better.

Interesting picture of the civilian wielding the cop's firearm.

Loaded or not, that should be a deal breaker right there.

The whole episode indicates poor judgment and lack of discipline - just what you want in a SWAT team leader.

flyboy55 wrote:Interesting picture of the civilian wielding the cop's firearm.

Loaded or not, that should be a deal breaker right there.

The whole episode indicates poor judgment and lack of discipline - just what you want in a SWAT team leader.

I'm with you and Christine, inappropriate behavior, if you ask my opinion

I guess the way I see it:

Was anybody harmed?
Were anybody's rights violated?
Were any laws actually broken?

If the answer to those questions is no, then I don't see an issue.

If the KKK stuff is true, I take issue to that.

Would not have played well in my Dept either....particularly the issue with the weapon......

Hooters has tshirts.....buy one, put it on....tear it up......not in uniform.

pbans wrote:Would not have played well in my Dept either....particularly the issue with the weapon......

Hooters has tshirts.....buy one, put it on....tear it up......not in uniform.

yeah the weapon thing was not smart either! and believe me i am not saying they did not deserve down time! i admire them for volunteering to go down there considering what was going on. they just weren't thinking!

flyboy55 wrote:Interesting picture of the civilian wielding the cop's firearm.

Loaded or not, that should be a deal breaker right there.

BINGO!!!

flyboy55 wrote:Interesting picture of the civilian wielding the cop's firearm.

Loaded or not, that should be a deal breaker right there.

The whole episode indicates poor judgment and lack of discipline - just what you want in a SWAT team leader.

Agreed. 100%

SharkOnLand wrote:I guess the way I see it:

Was anybody harmed?
Were anybody's rights violated?
Were any laws actually broken?

If the answer to those questions is no, then I don't see an issue.

If the KKK stuff is true, I take issue to that.

I've got to think the Hooters waitress holding the swat team's weapons is at a minium a departmental policy violation.

People in public service are not allowed to have fun. This is widely known by people in public service. If those same officers were wearing Buffett shirts, standing in front of their personal car, and posing with girls holding squirt guns, they would still be in trouble.

V-town Fin Truck wrote:People in public service are not allowed to have fun. This is widely known by people in public service. If those same officers were wearing Buffett shirts, standing in front of their personal car, and posing with girls holding squirt guns, they would still be in trouble.

Hanging out at a tailgate in civilian clothes posing with people holding squirt guns is the equivalent of being in a department issued uniform while allowing a scantily clad waitress to use your department issued tactical automatic weapon as a toy or prop? And then having the poor judgment to take photos of the incident? You're right, they're exactly the same thing.

Everyone who has ever taken any firearm training knows that the first rule of firearm safety is to treat every firearm as though it is loaded. Be it a .22 rifle or be it a military style automatic weapon. You NEVER point a loaded or unloaded weapon as a joke. Also, guns and alcohol NEVER, EVER, EVER belong together. The officers allowing their guns to be treated like toys at a Hooters bar is astoundingly bad judgment.

A SWAT officer needs ability to make split second decisions about whether to shoot or not shoot. They need to have supreme powers of being able to use good judgment. A poor decision and when they barge into a house as their job requires is the difference between shooting someone who is armed or not armed.

I guess I am shocked that people wouldn't understand this.

If any of those officers ever was sued for excessive force, Exhibit 1 at the trial would be the photo of the girl being allowed to use the team's firearm as a toy. "Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you see how this SWAT team is really just a drunken fraternity..." would be the implication. It is an implication created by the acts of those officers.