The Golden Compass

Carolinadreamin' · Post by **Carolinadreamin'** » November 28, 2007 1:49 pm

buffettbride wrote:
UAHparrothead wrote:If a work of fiction and a moive threatens your faith then your faith must not be that strong to begin with. (I mean that as a general statement not directed to anyone specifically on this thread just to be clear.) The thing is if you tell someone not to do something what is the first thing they are going to do. My strategy would be to encourage people to see it and then have a church forum to discuss the meanings and implications of the movie. I think many church leaders underestimate the intelligence of their people.
Ok. If preacher Brad says people should be able to make up their own minds (and my daughter is deeply rooted in her faith--how that happened is beyond me considering her parents), then that pretty much seals the deal for me. Thanks Brad.

I'm not sure how that happened with my kid either...maybe it's the Catholic school she's in right now.

ph4ever · Post by **ph4ever** » November 28, 2007 1:51 pm

You know if you join in with those that are making a big deal of it Victoria will more than likely want to go more. She's a very smart educated girl with a good head on her shoulders. She's an old soul. As long as you make sure to explain what all the fuss is about she'll be just fine!!

buffettbride · Post by **buffettbride** » November 28, 2007 1:52 pm

Carolinadreamin' wrote:
buffettbride wrote:
UAHparrothead wrote:If a work of fiction and a moive threatens your faith then your faith must not be that strong to begin with. (I mean that as a general statement not directed to anyone specifically on this thread just to be clear.) The thing is if you tell someone not to do something what is the first thing they are going to do. My strategy would be to encourage people to see it and then have a church forum to discuss the meanings and implications of the movie. I think many church leaders underestimate the intelligence of their people.
Ok. If preacher Brad says people should be able to make up their own minds (and my daughter is deeply rooted in her faith--how that happened is beyond me considering her parents), then that pretty much seals the deal for me. Thanks Brad.
I'm not sure how that happened with my kid either...maybe it's the Catholic school she's in right now.

I'm sure it has everything to do with her school and probably my parents a little too. It's not just the Catholic-isms that she's into. She has just gobs of faith oozing out of her, although being diagnosed with Celiac Disease has really been an emotional test for her.

UAHparrothead · Post by **UAHparrothead** » November 28, 2007 1:53 pm

buffettbride wrote:
UAHparrothead wrote:If a work of fiction and a moive threatens your faith then your faith must not be that strong to begin with. (I mean that as a general statement not directed to anyone specifically on this thread just to be clear.) The thing is if you tell someone not to do something what is the first thing they are going to do. My strategy would be to encourage people to see it and then have a church forum to discuss the meanings and implications of the movie. I think many church leaders underestimate the intelligence of their people.
Ok. If preacher Brad says people should be able to make up their own minds (and my daughter is deeply rooted in her faith--how that happened is beyond me considering her parents), then that pretty much seals the deal for me. Thanks Brad.

Now if she starts listening to Marylin Manson and dressing in all black because she watches it don't blame me

buffettbride · Post by **buffettbride** » November 28, 2007 1:55 pm

UAHparrothead wrote:
buffettbride wrote:
UAHparrothead wrote:If a work of fiction and a moive threatens your faith then your faith must not be that strong to begin with. (I mean that as a general statement not directed to anyone specifically on this thread just to be clear.) The thing is if you tell someone not to do something what is the first thing they are going to do. My strategy would be to encourage people to see it and then have a church forum to discuss the meanings and implications of the movie. I think many church leaders underestimate the intelligence of their people.
Ok. If preacher Brad says people should be able to make up their own minds (and my daughter is deeply rooted in her faith--how that happened is beyond me considering her parents), then that pretty much seals the deal for me. Thanks Brad.
Now if she starts listening to Marylin Manson and dressing in all black because she watches it don't blame me

Oh heck, I'm puttin' you on speed dial.

Hubby and I often wonder what her rebellious "thing" will be a la music. I mean, she can't like Avril Lavigne and The Jonas Brothers forever.

gassman · Post by **gassman** » November 28, 2007 2:08 pm

don't forget there is also a video game for this movie coming out. if the movie is that bad then the video game must be terrible.

nutmeg · Post by **nutmeg** » November 28, 2007 2:52 pm

UAHparrothead wrote:If a work of fiction and a moive threatens your faith then your faith must not be that strong to begin with. (I mean that as a general statement not directed to anyone specifically on this thread just to be clear.) The thing is if you tell someone not to do something what is the first thing they are going to do. My strategy would be to encourage people to see it and then have a church forum to discuss the meanings and implications of the movie. I think many church leaders underestimate the intelligence of their people.

Thank you for the voice of reason

I agree that watching a move is unlikely to change deep beliefs you hold. Just be sure you (or someone) are ready to discuss the movie with her and answer any questions she might have. I haven't heard of the movie before...and somehow I really doubt that the movie has a theme of killing God. It would be pretty hard for the studio to make money on it....

blackjack · Post by **blackjack** » November 28, 2007 3:33 pm

I believe in God but I am not what I would call religious.

I still will not take my kids to see the movie. I'm not saying you shouldn't, but I will not support something that goes against my basic beliefs.

And, it's not that MY faith will waver, but when you are taking 7 & 8-year olds who may not have a full grasp on that yet, they may be influenced in a way I object to. Just like marketing Joe Camel to get kids to smoke.

ALL THAT being said, the movie itself is said to be harmless, it's the books where the themes are more clearly shown. But, as I said, I'm not going to add one cent to this guy's pocket.

buffettbride · Post by **buffettbride** » November 28, 2007 3:42 pm

blackjack wrote: I'm not saying you shouldn't, but I will not support something that goes against my basic beliefs.

If atheists expected that kind of quality from media productions, they wouldn't be able to watch, read, or listen to anything.

What is so silly is that schools and such are fighting to keep words like "Christmas Vacation" and celebrations and stuff out of school, yet when a movie comes out that is decidedly non-Christian, we're all going to hell.

pbans · Post by **pbans** » November 28, 2007 3:53 pm

UAHparrothead wrote:
buffettbride wrote:
UAHparrothead wrote:If a work of fiction and a moive threatens your faith then your faith must not be that strong to begin with. (I mean that as a general statement not directed to anyone specifically on this thread just to be clear.) The thing is if you tell someone not to do something what is the first thing they are going to do. My strategy would be to encourage people to see it and then have a church forum to discuss the meanings and implications of the movie. I think many church leaders underestimate the intelligence of their people.
Ok. If preacher Brad says people should be able to make up their own minds (and my daughter is deeply rooted in her faith--how that happened is beyond me considering her parents), then that pretty much seals the deal for me. Thanks Brad.
Now if she starts listening to Marylin Manson and dressing in all black because she watches it don't blame me

Then she would be MY daughter.....and I would be able to tell you it's just a phase.....

I couldn't agree more with Brad about the movie.........

SharkOnLand · Post by **SharkOnLand** » November 28, 2007 4:00 pm

Take her twice.

The school should NOT be trying to "parent" your children. That's your job.

Plus, everything Brad said

buffettbride · Post by **buffettbride** » November 28, 2007 4:04 pm

SharkOnLand wrote:Take her twice. The school should NOT be trying to "parent" your children. That's your job.

Plus, everything Brad said

Because it's a Catholic school, there's always the expectation that the Archdiocese will make a strong recommendation about things, especially when the Catholic church takes a position on something.

I don't mind that they do that and don't really see it as them parenting my child. I just don't necessarily agree with what they choose to disagree with.

SharkOnLand · Post by **SharkOnLand** » November 28, 2007 4:15 pm

The highly "religious" can be the most closed-minded. Obviously there are exceptions (Brad, for one), but it seems the people that preach compassion for others are also the ones who are the most afraid of outside influences. How dare someone think for themselves?

(Yeah, as you can probably tell, I'm not religious. My son does go to a Lutheran School though. His school is very compassionate for other religions/beliefs.)

ConchRepublican · Post by **ConchRepublican** » November 28, 2007 4:30 pm

blackjack wrote:I believe in God but I am not what I would call religious.

I still will not take my kids to see the movie. I'm not saying you shouldn't, but I will not support something that goes against my basic beliefs.

And, it's not that MY faith will waver, but when you are taking 7 & 8-year olds who may not have a full grasp on that yet, they may be influenced in a way I object to. Just like marketing Joe Camel to get kids to smoke.

Bingo. And that's the rub. Thanks for posting that response, I was trying to think of how to word the same thing.

I find that many (not all, but many) attempts to attack/deride religion/Christianity are because of the rules and morals factor. Basically, "if it feels good, do it, it is good" and those who try to say we should aim higher are holding people back from worldly pleasure.

I don't like people making specifically non-religious, anti-God, movies aimed at children because they are undermining a foundation and structure of character the parent is trying to mold.

One can have these discussions and tackle these topics, hopefully, and openmindedly, when they are older and have experienced more of the world. Children and young adults are still trying to find their way and their internal compass. Peer pressure, and "non-parent" authority figures, whether we like to say it out loud or not, do have an effect. How many times have even we, when children, been effected by what a teacher or friend said and took that position as truth over what our parents taught us? Many, I'd say.

Catch&Release · Post by **Catch&Release** » November 28, 2007 6:26 pm

I think sci fi or fantasy movies are silly and boring.

But that's my decision. People should be able to decide whatever the hell they want to do as long as it doesn't hurt someone else.

We have goofballs out here who don't let their kids trick or treat because it promotes anti Christian rituals. That should be considered child abuse.

In my opinion, religion does much more harm than good. I do laugh at Christian fundamentalists who scoff at other religions like Buddhism, Hinduism and Islam. Who knows who has it right. To a large part, it shouldn't matter if we treat each other decently. It does seem like the leaders of mega churches are more concerned about lining their pockets...

Who said "Television preachers with bad hair and dimples. The God's honest truth is it's not that simple..."

karat · Post by **karat** » November 28, 2007 6:27 pm

What is worse...Golden Compass another fantasy movie or that pop princess/diva Brittney? Hearing from the new rumors is pregnant with her producer's child...is she even divorced?

moog · Post by **moog** » November 28, 2007 6:51 pm

All I know is I was lied to that there was a fat man in a red suit. Why should I believe the adults on anything else. No Santa, but there is a place of fire and brim if you are naughty. Yea, blow more smoke up my butt father Flanagan and sister Mary.
From the revelation book of moog.

In the trailers, The Golden Compass looks like Narnia and all the other movies since Lord Of the Rings in that genre.

Dutch Harbor PH · Post by **Dutch Harbor PH** » November 28, 2007 7:14 pm

buffettbride wrote:
johnson2113 wrote:http://snopes.com/politics/religion/compass.asp

I read this a while back about it, I have no interest in the movie so it doesn't matter much to me. But if you want some more information about it.
Yeah, I've read the Snopes bit as well.

I guess overall I don't have a problem with an athiest producing movies that my children will see. It's PG-13 so it's not like I'll be taking my 3 year old. My daughter is 10 and is more philosophically adept than most grown-ups.

Seems like folks have their panties in a megabunch over this one--but I really am waiting for a good argument on why this movie shouldn't be seen.

Wow....
We are just about 1/2 way through thte book now...... my "keets love it and I have to admit that it is very engaging. It (so far) has some dark and gruesome moments (physically) as well as a point of terrible betrayal/recognition. As to my kids seeing it...absolutly. They each have a very clear understanding of fantasy and reality as well as entertainment and reality.
I find it interesting the reactions of "faithful" parents (and am perplexed by the reaction) that they forbid their kids to see movies such as this genre (Harry Potter, Narnia, etc). I have always felt that it is a reaction of fear that if a movie (or a story or a book or a piece of music or whatever) could cause you to question your faith then perhaps you need to re-assess your faith.... What is too fear but a different look at things?

blackjacks wife · Post by **blackjacks wife** » November 28, 2007 9:11 pm

Dutch Harbor PH wrote:
buffettbride wrote:
johnson2113 wrote:http://snopes.com/politics/religion/compass.asp

I read this a while back about it, I have no interest in the movie so it doesn't matter much to me. But if you want some more information about it.
Yeah, I've read the Snopes bit as well.

I guess overall I don't have a problem with an athiest producing movies that my children will see. It's PG-13 so it's not like I'll be taking my 3 year old. My daughter is 10 and is more philosophically adept than most grown-ups.

Seems like folks have their panties in a megabunch over this one--but I really am waiting for a good argument on why this movie shouldn't be seen.
Wow....
We are just about 1/2 way through thte book now...... my "keets love it and I have to admit that it is very engaging. It (so far) has some dark and gruesome moments (physically) as well as a point of terrible betrayal/recognition. As to my kids seeing it...absolutly. They each have a very clear understanding of fantasy and reality as well as entertainment and reality.
I find it interesting the reactions of "faithful" parents (and am perplexed by the reaction) that they forbid their kids to see movies such as this genre (Harry Potter, Narnia, etc). I have always felt that it is a reaction of fear that if a movie (or a story or a book or a piece of music or whatever) could cause you to question your faith then perhaps you need to re-assess your faith.... What is too fear but a different look at things?

Dutch,

As I said earlier, It's not my faith I'm worried about. A 7-year old may see things differently. Is Joe Camel real or fantasy? But there are scientific studies showing he influenced children's perceptions.

blackjacks wife · Post by **blackjacks wife** » November 28, 2007 9:13 pm

ConchRepublican wrote:
blackjack wrote:I believe in God but I am not what I would call religious.

I still will not take my kids to see the movie. I'm not saying you shouldn't, but I will not support something that goes against my basic beliefs.

And, it's not that MY faith will waver, but when you are taking 7 & 8-year olds who may not have a full grasp on that yet, they may be influenced in a way I object to. Just like marketing Joe Camel to get kids to smoke.
Bingo. And that's the rub. Thanks for posting that response, I was trying to think of how to word the same thing.

No worries. Happy to help.

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