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The Golden Compass

Posted: November 28, 2007 11:11 am
by buffettbride
To see it or not to see it?

I've seen all the emails forwarded from great-grandparents about this movie. A letter came home from my daughter's (Catholic) school telling us what an abomination this movie is.

What do other parents think?

My daughter wants to see it and thinks she can discern between fantasy (the movie) and her faith. I think I'm going to let her--but I voted "unsure."

Posted: November 28, 2007 11:20 am
by OystersandBeer
Can't reply - never heard of it. But aren't all movies fantasy. It's all just pretend anyway.

Posted: November 28, 2007 11:23 am
by buffettbride
OystersandBeer wrote:Can't reply - never heard of it. But aren't all movies fantasy. It's all just pretend anyway.
This particular movie is under a lot of scrutiny because the author of the books on which the movie is based is a professed athiest/agnostic and certain Christian groups are accusing him of persuading children to deny the existence of God, etc.

I guess one of the underlying themes is that the children in the stories are trying to kill God. I'm not much more familiar with it than that.

Other than that, movies = pretend.

Posted: November 28, 2007 11:23 am
by CaptainP
My daughter isn't even 1 year old...so I can't honestly answer beyond the open-ended, "YES, eventually"...

Posted: November 28, 2007 11:27 am
by chippewa
OystersandBeer wrote:Can't reply - never heard of it. But aren't all movies fantasy. It's all just pretend anyway.
Me neither. But I'd be very suspect of any person or group that tells me not to see a movie when they haven't seen it themselves. Personally, that makes me want to run to the theatre.

If you've seen the movie, read the book, etc., I'll listen to your opinion.

Posted: November 28, 2007 11:29 am
by OystersandBeer
buffettbride wrote:
OystersandBeer wrote:Can't reply - never heard of it. But aren't all movies fantasy. It's all just pretend anyway.
This particular movie is under a lot of scrutiny because the author of the books on which the movie is based is a professed athiest/agnostic and certain Christian groups are accusing him of persuading children to deny the existence of God, etc.

I guess one of the underlying themes is that the children in the stories are trying to kill God. I'm not much more familiar with it than that.

Other than that, movies = pretend.

But wasn't Narnia trying to persuade kids there was a God. I didn't hear atheist groups complaining. and how can one kill God? Or the opposite, how can one kill evil? The idea of censorship bugs me. Heck, it may be good. Might open up dialouge between parents and children. But then again, people don't really want that because then it means parenting, and parenting is hard.

I don't mean you in particular. I mean people in general. I hate having to state this, but I've seen how quickly people get upset on this site when things are misread. So I include a disclaimer.

Posted: November 28, 2007 11:34 am
by buffettbride
OystersandBeer wrote:
buffettbride wrote:
OystersandBeer wrote:Can't reply - never heard of it. But aren't all movies fantasy. It's all just pretend anyway.
This particular movie is under a lot of scrutiny because the author of the books on which the movie is based is a professed athiest/agnostic and certain Christian groups are accusing him of persuading children to deny the existence of God, etc.

I guess one of the underlying themes is that the children in the stories are trying to kill God. I'm not much more familiar with it than that.

Other than that, movies = pretend.

But wasn't Narnia trying to persuade kids there was a God. I didn't hear atheist groups complaining. and how can one kill God? Or the opposite, how can one kill evil? The idea of censorship bugs me. Heck, it may be good. Might open up dialouge between parents and children. But then again, people don't really want that because then it means parenting, and parenting is hard.

I don't mean you in particular. I mean people in general. I hate having to state this, but I've seen how quickly people get upset on this site when things are misread. So I include a disclaimer.
Oh I'm right there with ya, I'm just not familiar with the story at all--haven't even heard of the books until I started getting emails from grandparents about this movie.

And you're right--it's not like athiests got all up-in-arms about Narnia. Other than what I'm reading on a bunch of Christian sites, I'm not really seeing anything other than Christian-paranoia to convince me not to let her see it.

Posted: November 28, 2007 11:39 am
by buffettbride
I DO want to hear from the objectors, too. :wink:

Posted: November 28, 2007 11:40 am
by STL PARROTHEAD
I never heard of it either...... I had to go watch the trailer.....

Looks good!!!
I can't speak about the kids seeing it, my keets are big and have a mind of their own, and hopefully the good common sense I've instilled in them.

But just like other movies....... good vs. evil


anyway, it looks pretty good to me..... I like the fantasy movies!

Posted: November 28, 2007 12:14 pm
by johnson2113
http://snopes.com/politics/religion/compass.asp

I read this a while back about it, I have no interest in the movie so it doesn't matter much to me. But if you want some more information about it.

Posted: November 28, 2007 12:16 pm
by Conolulu
When my daughter was 10 yrs old...she went to the people across the street's house....They were a young couple with 3 little girls....
They also "play" practiced Wicca....(they just did whatver the in thing at the time was....not serious about it...but pretended to )

Laura came home and asked me why Ella didn't have a Christmas Tree..and I told her they were Wiccan and that Ella was a witch...(explanation was much longer than what I'm typing..)

Laura looked at me and said...

"Mom? Ella THINKS she's a Witch. Thinking....... Being....2 Different things. One's fantasy, and the other reality."

I learned a lot from that kid...

Posted: November 28, 2007 12:17 pm
by citcat
From what I've heard, I don't think my son will see it.
Of course, he's 27 years old and real religious. 8) :lol:
I can't imagine calling a movie an abomination, seems like overkill wordage to me. Did the Catholic church call that 'disrespectful Jesus movie' (I forgot the title) an abomination? :o
Now, OJ....HE'S an abomination. :evil: [smilie=puking.gif]

Posted: November 28, 2007 12:18 pm
by buffettbride
johnson2113 wrote:http://snopes.com/politics/religion/compass.asp

I read this a while back about it, I have no interest in the movie so it doesn't matter much to me. But if you want some more information about it.
Yeah, I've read the Snopes bit as well.

I guess overall I don't have a problem with an athiest producing movies that my children will see. It's PG-13 so it's not like I'll be taking my 3 year old. My daughter is 10 and is more philosophically adept than most grown-ups.

Seems like folks have their panties in a megabunch over this one--but I really am waiting for a good argument on why this movie shouldn't be seen.

Posted: November 28, 2007 12:18 pm
by Skibo
If you tell the kids they can't see it, they will find a way. With so many great christian demonitions available, i just don't understand the attraction of so many to the Catholic church.

Posted: November 28, 2007 12:20 pm
by buffettbride
citcat wrote:From what I've heard, I don't think my son will see it.
Of course, he's 27 years old and real religious. 8) :lol:
I can't imagine calling a movie an abomination, seems like overkill wordage to me. Did the Catholic church call that 'disrespectful Jesus movie' (I forgot the title) an abomination? :o
Now, OJ....HE'S an abomination. :evil: [smilie=puking.gif]
Last Temptation of Christ?

Posted: November 28, 2007 12:22 pm
by citcat
buffettbride wrote:
citcat wrote:From what I've heard, I don't think my son will see it.
Of course, he's 27 years old and real religious. 8) :lol:
I can't imagine calling a movie an abomination, seems like overkill wordage to me. Did the Catholic church call that 'disrespectful Jesus movie' (I forgot the title) an abomination? :o
Now, OJ....HE'S an abomination. :evil: [smilie=puking.gif]
Last Temptation of Christ?
*ding ding ding* !!!! :lol:

Posted: November 28, 2007 12:23 pm
by SuperTrooper
It's very simple...

You and Matt go see it first and make your decision based on YOUR perception of what the movie is about.

Posted: November 28, 2007 12:23 pm
by buffettbride
Skibo wrote:If you tell the kids they can't see it, they will find a way. With so many great christian demonitions available, i just don't understand the attraction of so many to the Catholic church.
It's quite funny because she probably wouldn't have even realized such a movie existed. Doesn't watch a lot of TV--we don't have cable and I've barely seen it advertised on network stations. I don't think she even heard about it until the letter came home from school asking parents NOT to let their children see it.

It's not even a matter of forbidding her to see it at this point. I just want a real reason other than the Catholic Church saying so to tell me why we shouldn't see it.

Posted: November 28, 2007 12:25 pm
by buffettbride
SuperTrooper wrote:It's very simple...

You and Matt go see it first and make your decision based on YOUR perception of what the movie is about.
Nahhh. Too expensive and time consuming. The last time I was in a movie theater was for the Coastal Confessions thing with Jimmy. A trip to the movie theater is a big deal for us. We're either in or we're out.


From what I've researched so far, the real heavy-duty themes don't come along until the later books in the series, and aren't really addressed in THIS movie.

Posted: November 28, 2007 12:32 pm
by gassman
buffettbride wrote:
OystersandBeer wrote:Can't reply - never heard of it. But aren't all movies fantasy. It's all just pretend anyway.
This particular movie is under a lot of scrutiny because the author of the books on which the movie is based is a professed athiest/agnostic and certain Christian groups are accusing him of persuading children to deny the existence of God, etc.

I guess one of the underlying themes is that the children in the stories are trying to kill God. I'm not much more familiar with it than that.

Other than that, movies = pretend.
Agnosticism and Atheism is not the same thing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism