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mjeischen wrote: Another thought I had was where are the parents. Who is teaching right and wrong here? Could parenting have aided the decision making ability of the teen?

Why would it? Kid would be thinking..."I'm about to F*** a really hot older chick, and if we get caught, she's the only one who gets in any trouble!!! WHOOHOO!!!!"

To me, the 'age' issue is secondary to the 'position of trust' issue.....

pbans wrote:To me, the 'age' issue is secondary to the 'position of trust' issue.....

I had to read that twice, I thought it said "position of thrust"

LIPH wrote:

pbans wrote:To me, the 'age' issue is secondary to the 'position of trust' issue.....

I had to read that twice, I thought it sad "position of thrust"

SPEW!!!

LIPH wrote:

pbans wrote:To me, the 'age' issue is secondary to the 'position of trust' issue.....

I had to read that twice, I thought it sad "position of thrust"

well, I guess that could be an issue, too

CaptainP wrote:

mjeischen wrote: Another thought I had was where are the parents. Who is teaching right and wrong here? Could parenting have aided the decision making ability of the teen?

Why would it? Kid would be thinking..."I'm about to F*** a really hot older chick, and if we get caught, she's the only one who gets in any trouble!!! WHOOHOO!!!!"

Well if the parents are going to get high and mighty about the kid having sex teach hime that sex at his age is bad . . . That's all I am saying.

I would have been thinking "I'm about to F***" and I know it for a fact. Older women are my weakness . . . Betty White in those Pet Meds commercials TO DIE FOR!

Oddly I agree with Paige here. It is a factor of trust/authority - Or simply conflict of interest.

GOOD POINT PAIGE!

I've known some high school girls that had affairs with teachers and I've known some high school boys that had affairs with teachers. As far as I know they were not harmed mentally - hell one married the teacher and became a teacher herself.

That isn't always the case - sometimes the kids (let's face it a high schooler is a kid) are effected mentally for years because of it. I knew a guy that had sex with his aunt and he stated he felt it affected him a couple of times.

The argument that "they got married at young ages years ago and stayed married together for years" really doesn't cut it either. Those were different times, divorce was rare as a divorced person held a certain negative stigma.

From what I've heard it almost seems like a parole requirement that's impossible to enforce considering where she's employed. But if she were not employed she would probably be in violation. Her PO could probably have helped her get a more appropriate job.

So many good points by everyone.

But I STILL have to say that, when I was in Mrs. Burke's Physics class when I was 16 (she was 33), had she made ANY advances toward me, I would've been out of my clothes faster than Larry could say NO to someone offering him a bottle of Landsh*t beer.

But, alas, as much beauty as Mrs. Burke possessed, she possessed even more brains.
Maybe in my next life, Mrs. B?

ph4ever wrote:I've known some high school girls that had affairs with teachers and I've known some high school boys that had affairs with teachers. As far as I know they were not harmed mentally - hell one married the teacher and became a teacher herself.

That isn't always the case - sometimes the kids (let's face it a high schooler is a kid) are effected mentally for years because of it. I knew a guy that had sex with his aunt and he stated he felt it affected him a couple of times.

The argument that "they got married at young ages years ago and stayed married together for years" really doesn't cut it either. Those were different times, divorce was rare as a divorced person held a certain negative stigma.

From what I've heard it almost seems like a parole requirement that's impossible to enforce considering where she's employed. But if she were not employed she would probably be in violation. Her PO could probably have helped her get a more appropriate job.

True. Not all get caught. The point guard on the Girls B-Ball team in my High School was sexing the (Male) Coach. No scandals.

SchoolGirlHeart wrote:that's on Duval Street in KW

Good eye. I guess nobody else was looking at the storefront.

Is she just wearing a grass skirt and body paint?

chippewa wrote:

SchoolGirlHeart wrote:that's on Duval Street in KW

Good eye. I guess nobody else was looking at the storefront.

Is she just wearing a grass skirt and body paint?

bodypaint? I thought it was a bikini.

I have a dear friend who was basically raped by a teacher. NOTHING was ever done to the teacher because in the 70's the he said/she said was almost always won by the teacher. It f-ed up her life for a long, long time. She ended up mixed up in drugs and at odds with her parents because they "didn't protect her." (They tried. No one would do anything to the teacher.) She has permanent trust issues.

Teachers are in a position of trust. A sexual relationship with a student is a betrayal of that trust. If caught, they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

CaptainP wrote:

mjeischen wrote: Another thought I had was where are the parents. Who is teaching right and wrong here? Could parenting have aided the decision making ability of the teen?

Why would it? Kid would be thinking..."I'm about to F*** a really hot older chick, and if we get caught, she's the only one who gets in any trouble!!! WHOOHOO!!!!"

it's not like a child or kid doesn't know what they are doing. These children or kids as you call them KNOW what they are doing, know about sex, etc.
Where is the fairness in the law when an underage person pursues the older person? don't give me this bullsheet about it's the adults responsibility to say NO. Have you opened your eyes and seen the development of the boys and girls in this society AND how provocative they both dress.

SchoolGirlHeart wrote:I have a dear friend who was basically raped by a teacher. NOTHING was ever done to the teacher because in the 70's the he said/she said was almost always won by the teacher. It f-ed up her life for a long, long time. She ended up mixed up in drugs and at odds with her parents because they "didn't protect her." (They tried. No one would do anything to the teacher.) She has permanent trust issues.

Teachers are in a position of trust. A sexual relationship with a student is a betrayal of that trust. If caught, they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

teachers in Georgia fall under a different law because they are considered a guardian or something of the child and that's how they get in trouble.

SchoolGirlHeart wrote:Teachers are in a position of trust. A sexual relationship with a student is a betrayal of that trust. If caught, they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

I think that's the offense, even more so than the age issue. Teachers, clergy, counselors, doctors, etc. They all need to realize the position of influence that they hold.

12vmanRick wrote:it's not like a child or kid doesn't know what they are doing. These children or kids as you call them KNOW what they are doing, know about sex, etc.
Where is the fairness in the law when an underage person pursues the older person? don't give me this bullsheet about it's the adults responsibility to say NO. Have you opened your eyes and seen the development of the boys and girls in this society AND how provocative they both dress.

It most certainly is the adult's repsonsibility to act like an adult in a position of authority, say no, and walk away. If they can't say no and walk away they shouldn't be teachers.

chippewa wrote:

SchoolGirlHeart wrote:Teachers are in a position of trust. A sexual relationship with a student is a betrayal of that trust. If caught, they should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

I think that's the offense, even more so than the age issue. Teachers, clergy, counselors, doctors, etc. They all need to realize the position of influence that they hold.

Exactly.

How would people feel if a doctor had a sexual relationship with a minor? The same as if a teacher does? Maybe not? Both are positions of trust.

ph4ever wrote:I've known some high school girls that had affairs with teachers and I've known some high school boys that had affairs with teachers. As far as I know they were not harmed mentally - hell one married the teacher and became a teacher herself.

It does happen all the time and no one says a thing after the fact regardless of who it is. What made this case different? A friend told a parent who took acception. Odds are this guy with LaFavre would have kept on railing her until a friend ratted him out . . . that jealous jerk.

ph4ever wrote:That isn't always the case - sometimes the kids (let's face it a high schooler is a kid) are effected mentally for years because of it. I knew a guy that had sex with his aunt and he stated he felt it affected him a couple of times.

This is f'd up in a few different ways so narrowing it down to teen having sex with an adult is just the tip of the iceberg.

ph4ever wrote:The argument that "they got married at young ages years ago and stayed married together for years" really doesn't cut it either. Those were different times, divorce was rare as a divorced person held a certain negative stigma.

What made those times any different other than what society has found morally and ethically acceptable? That being said divorce is more acceptable but sex in any instance/regard/form is less acceptable.

It's an interesting debate no question and I wish I didn't have to work so I can stay in this thread and discuss it more.

As a nation of laws, we have the obligation to obey the laws. Even if they are stupid. There are means to get rid of stupid laws and those methods should be used. For those of you that think it is ok for teachers to be having sex with their students, have you petitioned your state representatives to get rid of the age of consent laws? Yeah, didn't think so.

pbans wrote:To me, the 'age' issue is secondary to the 'position of trust' issue.....

I'm with you Paige, it's a matter of trust and she is the one who is supposed to know better here... that is why I just , some people are too stupid to learn a lesson. I wonder how she ever made it through college.... imho