Posted: December 13, 2007 2:17 pm
Drugs are bad.
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Posted: December 13, 2007 2:20 pm
Posted: December 13, 2007 2:28 pm
Going back and looking at some of the names on the list again, I don't think I've been this surprised since Rosie O'Donnell came out of the closet.
Posted: December 13, 2007 2:35 pm
Posted: December 13, 2007 2:37 pm
I just read though the report...some of the names that stick out, Eric Gagne, Fernando Vina (sticks out because he now works for ESPN) so it will be interesting to see what he has to say, Mo Vaughn, Paul LoDuca, Andy Pettit, Roger Clemens, Chuck Knobloch 
, Bond, Giambi, Shefield, Brian Roberts, Jack Cust, Todd Hundely, David Justice, Denny Neagle, Ron Villone, Brenden Donnelly..
One name I didn't see was Sammy Sosa.
, Bond, Giambi, Shefield, Brian Roberts, Jack Cust, Todd Hundely, David Justice, Denny Neagle, Ron Villone, Brenden Donnelly..One name I didn't see was Sammy Sosa.
Posted: December 13, 2007 2:37 pm
Check out the D appendix with the copied checks and hand written notes. I see why LoDuca is no longer with the Mets . . .
Posted: December 13, 2007 2:49 pm
I was talking about players who would be consider for the HOF.TommyBahama wrote:No i don't think there will be any punishment...just the character of some of these guys who said all along they didn't do it will be damaged...some we had a idea!.......steroids or HGH didn't help some of the careers of named people!!...Paxton Crawford to name 1!!!drunkpirate66 wrote:Do all 80 or so players on this report (if found accurate) get fines? Suspensions? Lose endorsements?LIPH wrote:I think they were both Hall of Fame players before the drug controversy so I'd still vote for them. I think McGwire was a one dimensional player and in my opinion the HRs aren't enough reason to vote for him. If he ever gets in then the Veteran's Committee has to put Roger Maris in. Rafael Palmeiro was a numbers compiler, never led the league in any major offensive category, never won the MVP and only made the All-Star team 4 times in 22 years. I think he's out. I think Bagwell was borderline, this will probably move him to the no side of the fence. Sosa? Good chance I'd pass on him too. Ivan Rodriguez was so head and shoulders above the rest of the catchers I might vote for him anyway. I thought Pujols would be a lock for the Hall but if he was juiced for the last few years maybe let's wait and see what he can do when he's clean. Varitek just lost my vote.drunkpirate66 wrote:If people want Bonds out will people keep Clemens out . . . (top 5 bat all time . . . top 5 pitcher all time . . .)
Curious . . . what do you all think?
You pretty much know how I feel . . .
Do you think people out who were planning on NOT voting for Bonds in the HOF will NOT vote in Clemens based soley on illegal steroid use?
Posted: December 13, 2007 2:50 pm
wow. thanks.ConchRepublican wrote:Check out the D appendix with the copied checks and hand written notes. I see why LoDuca is no longer with the Mets . . .
Posted: December 13, 2007 2:52 pm
The writers will determine that i guess.....i was looking at some of the names...where doing it really didn't help there career!drunkpirate66 wrote:I was talking about players who would be consider for the HOF.TommyBahama wrote:No i don't think there will be any punishment...just the character of some of these guys who said all along they didn't do it will be damaged...some we had a idea!.......steroids or HGH didn't help some of the careers of named people!!...Paxton Crawford to name 1!!!drunkpirate66 wrote:Do all 80 or so players on this report (if found accurate) get fines? Suspensions? Lose endorsements?LIPH wrote:I think they were both Hall of Fame players before the drug controversy so I'd still vote for them. I think McGwire was a one dimensional player and in my opinion the HRs aren't enough reason to vote for him. If he ever gets in then the Veteran's Committee has to put Roger Maris in. Rafael Palmeiro was a numbers compiler, never led the league in any major offensive category, never won the MVP and only made the All-Star team 4 times in 22 years. I think he's out. I think Bagwell was borderline, this will probably move him to the no side of the fence. Sosa? Good chance I'd pass on him too. Ivan Rodriguez was so head and shoulders above the rest of the catchers I might vote for him anyway. I thought Pujols would be a lock for the Hall but if he was juiced for the last few years maybe let's wait and see what he can do when he's clean. Varitek just lost my vote.drunkpirate66 wrote:If people want Bonds out will people keep Clemens out . . . (top 5 bat all time . . . top 5 pitcher all time . . .)
Curious . . . what do you all think?
You pretty much know how I feel . . .
Do you think people out who were planning on NOT voting for Bonds in the HOF will NOT vote in Clemens based soley on illegal steroid use?
Posted: December 13, 2007 2:54 pm
Roughly looking, at least 1/3 of the players from the Yankees late 90's championship team are on the list. 
Posted: December 13, 2007 2:55 pm
You know..if these guys came clean and admiited it ...i don't think it would be as big a story as it is now....MLB back a few years ago didn't have a drug testing policy....Andro and HGH you could buy at GNC!!!
Posted: December 13, 2007 2:57 pm
well that settles it . . . their rings should be removed!BottleofRum wrote:Roughly looking, at least 1/3 of the players from the Yankees late 90's championship team are on the list.
Posted: December 13, 2007 2:59 pm
i wanted to see A-Rods name on there!!drunkpirate66 wrote:well that settles it . . . their rings should be removed!BottleofRum wrote:Roughly looking, at least 1/3 of the players from the Yankees late 90's championship team are on the list.
Posted: December 13, 2007 3:03 pm
TommyBahama wrote:i wanted to see A-Rods name on there!!drunkpirate66 wrote:well that settles it . . . their rings should be removed!BottleofRum wrote:Roughly looking, at least 1/3 of the players from the Yankees late 90's championship team are on the list.
I was shocked that Sosa and Frank Thomas wasn't on the list...and pleasantly shocked Nomar wasn't on it.
Read some of this things in the report about Gagne, last November when teh Red Sox were thinking about signing Gagne they had suspicions about Gagne and steroid use and were told that Gagne was not they type of person who took care of himself and was a likely steroid user....
Posted: December 13, 2007 3:04 pm
No hablo english?BottleofRum wrote:I just read though the report...some of the names that stick out, Eric Gagne, Fernando Vina (sticks out because he now works for ESPN) so it will be interesting to see what he has to say, Mo Vaughn, Paul LoDuca, Andy Pettit, Roger Clemens, Chuck Knobloch
One name I didn't see was Sammy Sosa.
Posted: December 13, 2007 3:05 pm
Not going to lie . . . I was expecting Manny or Papi . . .BottleofRum wrote:TommyBahama wrote:i wanted to see A-Rods name on there!!drunkpirate66 wrote:well that settles it . . . their rings should be removed!BottleofRum wrote:Roughly looking, at least 1/3 of the players from the Yankees late 90's championship team are on the list.
I was shocked that Sosa and Frank Thomas wasn't on the list...and pleasantly shocked Nomar wasn't on it.
Read some of this things in the report about Gagne, last November when teh Red Sox were thinking about signing Gagne they had suspicions about Gagne and steroid use and were told that Gagne was not they type of person who took care of himself and was a likely steroid user....
Posted: December 13, 2007 3:08 pm
Manny and Ortiz didn't seem like or body wise looked like users...there body hasn't changes..just 2 big dudes....plus i don't think Manny would know how to take them!!!drunkpirate66 wrote:Not going to lie . . . I was expecting Manny or Papi . . .BottleofRum wrote:TommyBahama wrote:i wanted to see A-Rods name on there!!drunkpirate66 wrote:well that settles it . . . their rings should be removed!BottleofRum wrote:Roughly looking, at least 1/3 of the players from the Yankees late 90's championship team are on the list.
I was shocked that Sosa and Frank Thomas wasn't on the list...and pleasantly shocked Nomar wasn't on it.
Read some of this things in the report about Gagne, last November when teh Red Sox were thinking about signing Gagne they had suspicions about Gagne and steroid use and were told that Gagne was not they type of person who took care of himself and was a likely steroid user....
Posted: December 13, 2007 3:10 pm
Looked briefly through the report, but is there a section that lists names?drunkpirate66 wrote:Not going to lie . . . I was expecting Manny or Papi . . .BottleofRum wrote:TommyBahama wrote:i wanted to see A-Rods name on there!!drunkpirate66 wrote:well that settles it . . . their rings should be removed!BottleofRum wrote:Roughly looking, at least 1/3 of the players from the Yankees late 90's championship team are on the list.
I was shocked that Sosa and Frank Thomas wasn't on the list...and pleasantly shocked Nomar wasn't on it.
Read some of this things in the report about Gagne, last November when teh Red Sox were thinking about signing Gagne they had suspicions about Gagne and steroid use and were told that Gagne was not they type of person who took care of himself and was a likely steroid user....
Posted: December 13, 2007 3:10 pm
Manny might be taking drugs, but at least it's not steroids.
Posted: December 13, 2007 3:13 pm
No Manny . . . you don't snort HGH!TommyBahama wrote:Manny and Ortiz didn't seem like or body wise looked like users...there body hasn't changes..just 2 big dudes....plus i don't think Manny would know how to take them!!!drunkpirate66 wrote:Not going to lie . . . I was expecting Manny or Papi . . .BottleofRum wrote:TommyBahama wrote:i wanted to see A-Rods name on there!!drunkpirate66 wrote:well that settles it . . . their rings should be removed!BottleofRum wrote:Roughly looking, at least 1/3 of the players from the Yankees late 90's championship team are on the list.
I was shocked that Sosa and Frank Thomas wasn't on the list...and pleasantly shocked Nomar wasn't on it.
Read some of this things in the report about Gagne, last November when teh Red Sox were thinking about signing Gagne they had suspicions about Gagne and steroid use and were told that Gagne was not they type of person who took care of himself and was a likely steroid user....