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For a 3 year stretch, Hawkins was one of the best relievers in baseball. he just never got comfortable as a closer, and never got his form back after the Cubs tried to make him into one.

From 2002-2004, with Twins and Cubs:

239 2/3 innings
20-7 record
27 saves (25 with Cubs in 2004, before he imploded)
207 Strikeouts to 44 Walks
1.02 WHIP
2.21 ERA

CaptainP wrote:

Wino you know wrote:He's a man of rare talents. Among them, giiving up a six run lead with TWO OUTS left to go. Not once, not twice, not thrice, but FOUR TIMES!

His excuse?
"I'm just not the closer type."

But, by all accounts, a really nice guy. Overcame the hard streets of Gary, Indiana to make it to where he is...


...but he still sucks.

I'M a really nice guy. I overcame the streets of Cedar Rapids to make it where I'M at.
Does that qualify me to be a relief pitcher for the Brewers?

notice I left out that LAST sentence of yours

Wino you know wrote:

CaptainP wrote:

Wino you know wrote:He's a man of rare talents. Among them, giiving up a six run lead with TWO OUTS left to go. Not once, not twice, not thrice, but FOUR TIMES!

His excuse?
"I'm just not the closer type."

But, by all accounts, a really nice guy. Overcame the hard streets of Gary, Indiana to make it to where he is...


...but he still sucks.

I'M a really nice guy. I overcame the streets of Cedar Rapids to make it where I'M at.
Does that qualify me to be a relief pitcher for the Brewers?

notice I left out that LAST sentence of yours

they can't all be Mota's or Gagne's . . .

Most pointless trade ever . . .

Glaus for Rolen.

Do they play a combined 150 games next year?

I doubt it.

drunkpirate66 wrote:Most pointless trade ever . . .

Glaus for Rolen.

Do they play a combined 150 games next year?

I doubt it.

Glaus played in 115 games and Rolen in 112 this past season.

Both players needed a change of scenery, especially Rolen.

SuperTrooper wrote:

drunkpirate66 wrote:Most pointless trade ever . . .

Glaus for Rolen.

Do they play a combined 150 games next year?

I doubt it.

Glaus played in 115 games and Rolen in 112.

Both players needed a change of scenery, especially Rolen.

yes . . . NEXT year . . . or this coming season . . .

both will get hurt . . . it just seems to happen alot to these guys.

SuperTrooper wrote:

drunkpirate66 wrote:Most pointless trade ever . . .

Glaus for Rolen.

Do they play a combined 150 games next year?

I doubt it.

Glaus played in 115 games and Rolen in 112.

Both players needed a change of scenery, especially Rolen.

You've heard of trades that "Help Both Teams"?

This is a trade that helps both players, but doesn't help either team...

CaptainP wrote:

SuperTrooper wrote:

drunkpirate66 wrote:Most pointless trade ever . . .

Glaus for Rolen.

Do they play a combined 150 games next year?

I doubt it.

Glaus played in 115 games and Rolen in 112.

Both players needed a change of scenery, especially Rolen.

You've heard of trades that "Help Both Teams"?

This is a trade that helps both players, but doesn't help either team...

they can wave to each other as they pass by on gurneys in the ER

drunkpirate66 wrote:

SuperTrooper wrote:

drunkpirate66 wrote:Most pointless trade ever . . .

Glaus for Rolen.

Do they play a combined 150 games next year?

I doubt it.

Glaus played in 115 games and Rolen in 112.

Both players needed a change of scenery, especially Rolen.

yes . . . NEXT year . . . or this coming season . . .

both will get hurt . . . it just seems to happen alot to these guys.

It's an impression rather than reality. Yes, both are coming off surgery (Rolen:shoulder, Glaus:heel) but their career stats say otherwise:

Rolen: except for 2005 when he only played 56 games with a shoulder problem he has averaged 142 games/yr since becoming a regular in 1997.

Glaus: battled a shoulder injury from late 2003 (91 games) into 2004 (58 ). Otherwise he averages 149 games/yr since 1999.

CaptainP wrote:

SuperTrooper wrote:

drunkpirate66 wrote:Most pointless trade ever . . .

Glaus for Rolen.

Do they play a combined 150 games next year?

I doubt it.

Glaus played in 115 games and Rolen in 112.

Both players needed a change of scenery, especially Rolen.

You've heard of trades that "Help Both Teams"?

This is a trade that helps both players, but doesn't help either team...

I think it helps the Cards more. Rolen's feud with Larussa had to had some affect on the clubhouse.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,322415,00.html

A longtime baseball fan is suing the New York Yankees over some players' reported use of performance-enhancing drugs, saying he wants repayment for $221 in tickets and a public response from his once-beloved team.

Today's Fradger (O.J.O Clemens update-

Report: Mitchell tried to contact Clemens twice before report

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ESPN.com news services

Former U.S. Sen. George Mitchell twice tried to talk to Roger Clemens about his alleged steroid use included in his report before its release, USA Today reported Monday.

Mitchell twice sent letters to the Major League Baseball Players' Association requesting to speak to players who would be mentioned in his report into illegal use of steroids and other performance-enhancing drugs in Major League Baseball. The letters included the dates of their alleged steroid use and the teams they played for when they allegedly used performance enhancers.

In an e-mail sent to USA Today, Mitchell said he sent letters to the players' union in the summer and in October, requesting to talk to players named in the report.

In the October letter, Mitchell wrote: "During the course of any such interview, I will inform the player of the evidence of their use, including permitting him to examine and answer questions about copies of relevant checks, mailing receipts, or other documents, and give him an opportunity to respond."

In the first letter sent to the union, Mitchell told the newspaper that he provided detailed information regarding players who would be named in the report.

"We identified the year(s) during which the alleged use had occurred and the club(s) with which the players were then affiliated," Mitchell wrote to USA Today. "Roger Clemens was one of the players listed in those letters."

Last Monday, Clemens claimed he did not know that he was going to be named in the Mitchell report and that Mitchell wouldn't disclose the nature of the allegations to his agents.

"They wouldn't respond to what it was about," Clemens said. "Obviously if I had known what Brian McNamee was saying about me I would have been there."

Mitchell, baseball commissioner Bud Selig and union boss Donald Fehr will testify before Congress on Tuesday, Jan. 15.



January 14, 2008
Clemens’s Lawyers Negotiating Deposition
By MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT and DUFF WILSON

When Mark McGwire and four other baseball players testified in front of Congress three years ago, they did so under oath but were not forced to give depositions in advance of their testimony.

Even without giving a deposition, McGwire was easily painted into a corner at the hearing. He infamously answered, “I’m not here to discuss the past,” when asked whether he had used steroids. The hearings hurt McGwire’s image and severely hampered his chances of being elected to the Hall of Fame.

The situations will be much different for Roger Clemens and Brian McNamee, his former personal trainer, who are scheduled to testify Feb. 13 in front of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.

Clemens and McNamee will probably be deposed in the coming weeks by lawyers for the committee, a sign of how serious it appears to be taking their conflicting stories.

Preparations for those depositions are already under way. Clemens’s lawyers are planning to go to Washington on Monday to meet with officials from the committee to address the circumstances surrounding his deposition. They want Clemens to be questioned publicly, and are concerned about how private testimony could be used against him.

“The implication that Roger is having second thoughts about testifying in front of Congress in public are completely false,” his lawyer, Rusty Hardin, said Sunday in a telephone interview. “We are concerned about the procedures and other things Congress wants leading up to that testimony, and we will address those matters when we go to Congress tomorrow.”

Clemens has said McNamee injected him with the painkiller lidocaine and vitamin B12 on several occasions. Earl Ward, McNamee’s lawyer, has also said that McNamee was prepared to testify about an abscess Clemens developed in the area where he said Clemens was injected.

The committee chairman, Henry A. Waxman, Democrat of California, had said that he expected Clemens and McNamee to answer the invitations voluntarily.

But Philip M. Schiliro, the chief of staff for Waxman and the committee, said of Clemens on Sunday, “He can refuse to come in voluntarily, but if the committee feels strongly, it can subpoena him for a deposition.”

The committee procedure provides for confidentiality of the transcripts. The transcript can be released by vote of the committee or by agreement of the chairman and ranking minority member.

If somebody under subpoena refuses to answer a question, that person can be held in contempt of Congress, said J. Keith Ausbrook, Republican general counsel to the committee.

Depositions, according to Daniel C. Richman, a law professor at Columbia University, will allow the committee to pin down McNamee and Clemens on specifics surrounding their comments.

Hardin said another issue he planned to address with Congress was its request for a tape of an interview his investigators did with McNamee last month, the day before the release of the Mitchell report.

Hardin had said he did not want to provide the tape if the committee was going to provide it to McNamee before he testified. The committee can subpoena the tape if it is not provided voluntarily.

Ward said that investigators for Hardin asked McNamee in that meeting to change his story about Clemens’s use of performance-enhancing drugs.

The committee staff said it wanted to review the tape to assess the credibility of both sides’ assertions and to better prepare to question McNamee and Clemens.

Ward, meanwhile, said he would speak with committee staff members on Monday about securing immunity for McNamee. McNamee entered into a proffer agreement with federal prosecutors to avoid being charged with steroid distribution. As part of the agreement to tell the truth, he told investigators working for Mitchell that Clemens used steroids.

When speaking of the proffer agreement, Ward said, “It is important to understand it does not protect him from lying; we are just trying to protect him for being prosecuted for steroid distribution.”

SMLCHNG wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,322415,00.html

A longtime baseball fan is suing the New York Yankees over some players' reported use of performance-enhancing drugs, saying he wants repayment for $221 in tickets and a public response from his once-beloved team.

Attention-starved freak

And the dismantling of the Oakland Athletics continues...

Bobby Kielty traded to Atlanta

CaptainP wrote:And the dismantling of the Oakland Athletics continues...

Bobby Kielty traded to Atlanta

???? he doesn't play for Oakland, he played for Boston by the end of last season and was a free agent?

Are there two Bobby Kielty's??

I I just looked it up, I think you meant Mark Kotsay..

CaptainP wrote:

SMLCHNG wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,322415,00.html

A longtime baseball fan is suing the New York Yankees over some players' reported use of performance-enhancing drugs, saying he wants repayment for $221 in tickets and a public response from his once-beloved team.

Attention-starved freak

He's a paralegal, maybe he wants to go to law school and is trying to get the firm he works for to pick up the tab for tuition.

The NL West is going to be a Beast again. The top 3 records in the NL in 07 all reside in the West. Padres, D-Backs add pitching, Rockies adds experience and LA adds depth. Gonna be a long tight race

CaptainP wrote:

SuperTrooper wrote:

drunkpirate66 wrote:Most pointless trade ever . . .

Glaus for Rolen.

Do they play a combined 150 games next year?

I doubt it.

Glaus played in 115 games and Rolen in 112.

Both players needed a change of scenery, especially Rolen.

You've heard of trades that "Help Both Teams"?

This is a trade that helps both players, but doesn't help either team...

I disagree I think it helps the Jays and hurts the Cards.
Rolen's defense is far superior then Glaus.

The Red Sox have not added one new player to their roster since the season ended.
Although losing Gagne is addition by subtraction.


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