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drunkpirate66 wrote:

TommyBahama wrote:

drunkpirate66 wrote:

TommyBahama wrote:

drunkpirate66 wrote:So if you are Tom Coughlin what do you do . . .

stack for the run . . . or play the cover 2 against Moss as teams have done all year . . . (and 18 - 0 shows that don't work too well . . .)

what ever he was doing in the 1st meeting...that seemed to work!!!!......i'd keep blitzing Brady and knock him around..hoping the Corners can cover 1 on 1..the front 4 will get pressure especially the ends!!!....Pierce will key on the run!!

Not on defense it didn't . . . . can't let the Pats score in the upper 30's on Super Bowl sunday. The Giants offense worked just fine . . . defense not so much in the first meeting . . . and now the Pats are in a climate controlled arena . . . not out doors in the cold and wind of NY.

Pierce needs a huge game. I agree!

There defense has played very well as of late.....and seems to be a lot different in there approach....shutting down the top 2 offenses in the NFC!!!...Yes they gave up 38 points!!!....but most of those points came late.....so if they could do what they did for the 1st 3 quarters of that game in December....and i'm sure they will come up with some new schemes and looks for Brady...they will be OK!!....i think it will be a lot closer than expected!!!.....Giants can play loose in that game.....they aren't suppose to be there....and the Patriots are heavy favorites....that can be a dangerous combination!!

Oh god yeah! I am not underestimating the Giants at all . . . just like I didn't the Jags or the Bolts . . .

I agree about the Giants' defense for the first 3 quarters against the Pats but, as you know, the game is 60 minutes long and that has been a common saying in Pats' players press conferences . . . got to play 60.

I have to believe that Bellichick's number 1 focus right now is how to get Moss (2 catches in 2 playoff games) involved more in an arena that will allow Brady to air out a few 50 + yard throws . . . open up the field for Welker and Watson in the middle and give Maroney some room to run . . . if I were Coughlin I think I would have to play conservative and guard with the Cover 2 and see if Maroney can keep up these big numbers . . .

That could work only if the front 4 or 3 can get Pressure on Brady.....if they have a game like they did against the Eagles earlier in the year 11 sacks...then it may work!!!....but i hate Zone type defenses.....i like to be aggressive and attack the ball!!.....and i meant they had to play 4 quarters like they did the 1st 3 in that game!!!

what i don't like is the 2 weeks...advantage to the Patriots....Giants usually are terrible after a off week!!!...and you give Belichick 2 weeks to prepare is a dangerous formula!!

TommyBahama wrote:

drunkpirate66 wrote:

TommyBahama wrote:

drunkpirate66 wrote:

TommyBahama wrote:

drunkpirate66 wrote:So if you are Tom Coughlin what do you do . . .

stack for the run . . . or play the cover 2 against Moss as teams have done all year . . . (and 18 - 0 shows that don't work too well . . .)

what ever he was doing in the 1st meeting...that seemed to work!!!!......i'd keep blitzing Brady and knock him around..hoping the Corners can cover 1 on 1..the front 4 will get pressure especially the ends!!!....Pierce will key on the run!!

Not on defense it didn't . . . . can't let the Pats score in the upper 30's on Super Bowl sunday. The Giants offense worked just fine . . . defense not so much in the first meeting . . . and now the Pats are in a climate controlled arena . . . not out doors in the cold and wind of NY.

Pierce needs a huge game. I agree!

There defense has played very well as of late.....and seems to be a lot different in there approach....shutting down the top 2 offenses in the NFC!!!...Yes they gave up 38 points!!!....but most of those points came late.....so if they could do what they did for the 1st 3 quarters of that game in December....and i'm sure they will come up with some new schemes and looks for Brady...they will be OK!!....i think it will be a lot closer than expected!!!.....Giants can play loose in that game.....they aren't suppose to be there....and the Patriots are heavy favorites....that can be a dangerous combination!!

Oh god yeah! I am not underestimating the Giants at all . . . just like I didn't the Jags or the Bolts . . .

I agree about the Giants' defense for the first 3 quarters against the Pats but, as you know, the game is 60 minutes long and that has been a common saying in Pats' players press conferences . . . got to play 60.

I have to believe that Bellichick's number 1 focus right now is how to get Moss (2 catches in 2 playoff games) involved more in an arena that will allow Brady to air out a few 50 + yard throws . . . open up the field for Welker and Watson in the middle and give Maroney some room to run . . . if I were Coughlin I think I would have to play conservative and guard with the Cover 2 and see if Maroney can keep up these big numbers . . .

That could work only if the front 4 or 3 can get Pressure on Brady.....if they have a game like they did against the Eagles earlier in the year 11 sacks...then it may work!!!....but i hate Zone type defenses.....i like to be aggressive and attack the ball!!.....and i meant they had to play 4 quarters like they did the 1st 3 in that game!!!

what i don't like is the 2 weeks...advantage to the Patriots....Giants usually are terrible after a off week!!!...and you give Belichick 2 weeks to prepare is a dangerous formula!!

I know you can't blitz on every play . . . but if I were Coughlin I think I would send a linebacker in almost every time - - - like the Pats showed against the Bolts if you give them the ball they can hold onto it for 9 + minutes . . . and score when they need to. So IF the Pats are going to put the points up make them beat the blitz and the Giants would, at the very worst, get the ball back sooner . . .

i believe that this super bowl is a waste of my time...

and i will watch only for the advertising....

i will not watch a minute of football...

PIA wrote:i believe that this super bowl is a waste of my time...

and i will watch only for the advertising....

i will not watch a minute of football...

If thats the case I wouldn't watch at all.

drunkpirate66 wrote:

PIA wrote:i believe that this super bowl is a waste of my time...

and i will watch only for the advertising....

i will not watch a minute of football...

If thats the case I wouldn't watch at all.

dont get my wrong i love football...cant stand the pats....

PIA wrote:

drunkpirate66 wrote:

PIA wrote:i believe that this super bowl is a waste of my time...

and i will watch only for the advertising....

i will not watch a minute of football...

If thats the case I wouldn't watch at all.

dont get my wrong i love football...cant stand the pats....

Just to give an example . . .

My number one sport to play and to watch has always been baseball. Can't get enough of it . . . even now in New England in the dead of winter I still read about baseball and look at stats, etc.

I am a die hard Red Sox fan. From around 1996 - 2001 I spent many long nights in September and October watching the Yankees win. I hated the Yankees . . . don't know why . . . but I mean I loathed them.

BUT - my love for baseball won out. I watched for the game. If Jeter made an amazing play I tried to forget about the pin stripes . . . know what I mean?

I understand disliking a team. But as a football fan, if I were you, I would still watch.

TommyBahama wrote:

drunkpirate66 wrote:

TommyBahama wrote:

drunkpirate66 wrote:

TommyBahama wrote:

drunkpirate66 wrote:So if you are Tom Coughlin what do you do . . .

stack for the run . . . or play the cover 2 against Moss as teams have done all year . . . (and 18 - 0 shows that don't work too well . . .)

what ever he was doing in the 1st meeting...that seemed to work!!!!......i'd keep blitzing Brady and knock him around..hoping the Corners can cover 1 on 1..the front 4 will get pressure especially the ends!!!....Pierce will key on the run!!

Not on defense it didn't . . . . can't let the Pats score in the upper 30's on Super Bowl sunday. The Giants offense worked just fine . . . defense not so much in the first meeting . . . and now the Pats are in a climate controlled arena . . . not out doors in the cold and wind of NY.

Pierce needs a huge game. I agree!

There defense has played very well as of late.....and seems to be a lot different in there approach....shutting down the top 2 offenses in the NFC!!!...Yes they gave up 38 points!!!....but most of those points came late.....so if they could do what they did for the 1st 3 quarters of that game in December....and i'm sure they will come up with some new schemes and looks for Brady...they will be OK!!....i think it will be a lot closer than expected!!!.....Giants can play loose in that game.....they aren't suppose to be there....and the Patriots are heavy favorites....that can be a dangerous combination!!

Oh god yeah! I am not underestimating the Giants at all . . . just like I didn't the Jags or the Bolts . . .

I agree about the Giants' defense for the first 3 quarters against the Pats but, as you know, the game is 60 minutes long and that has been a common saying in Pats' players press conferences . . . got to play 60.

I have to believe that Bellichick's number 1 focus right now is how to get Moss (2 catches in 2 playoff games) involved more in an arena that will allow Brady to air out a few 50 + yard throws . . . open up the field for Welker and Watson in the middle and give Maroney some room to run . . . if I were Coughlin I think I would have to play conservative and guard with the Cover 2 and see if Maroney can keep up these big numbers . . .

That could work only if the front 4 or 3 can get Pressure on Brady.....if they have a game like they did against the Eagles earlier in the year 11 sacks...then it may work!!!....but i hate Zone type defenses.....i like to be aggressive and attack the ball!!.....and i meant they had to play 4 quarters like they did the 1st 3 in that game!!!

what i don't like is the 2 weeks...advantage to the Patriots....Giants usually are terrible after a off week!!!...and you give Belichick 2 weeks to prepare is a dangerous formula!!

Now your a Giants fan


Reading the NY papers I love how the are saying that because they "almost beat NE" the first time that they now know what to do and can win this time. Do they just assume that NE is going to have the same game plan and just go out and run the same plays? It is at all possible that NE is thinking the same thing, that they could have lost and need to play better and have a better game-plan? That game the Patriots were missing 2 of their starters on the OL and NY was able to get pressure, for the SB all 5 OL starters will be playing. With 2 weeks to prepare a gameplan for a team they already played who do you have more trust in Belichick or Coughlin?

TommyBahama wrote:

drunkpirate66 wrote:So if you are Tom Coughlin what do you do . . .

stack for the run . . . or play the cover 2 against Moss as teams have done all year . . . (and 18 - 0 shows that don't work too well . . .)

what ever he was doing in the 1st meeting...that seemed to work!!!!......i'd keep blitzing Brady and knock him around..hoping the Corners can cover 1 on 1..the front 4 will get pressure especially the ends!!!....Pierce will key on the run!!

Yeah, great plan! I love it!! Do that and Welker will no doubt be the Super Bowl MVP. When that happens I will win $1000 (25 to 1 odds on Bodog 3 weeks ago...). Great plan!

st.somewhere wrote:

TommyBahama wrote:

drunkpirate66 wrote:So if you are Tom Coughlin what do you do . . .

stack for the run . . . or play the cover 2 against Moss as teams have done all year . . . (and 18 - 0 shows that don't work too well . . .)

what ever he was doing in the 1st meeting...that seemed to work!!!!......i'd keep blitzing Brady and knock him around..hoping the Corners can cover 1 on 1..the front 4 will get pressure especially the ends!!!....Pierce will key on the run!!

Yeah, great plan! I love it!! Do that and Welker will no doubt be the Super Bowl MVP. When that happens I will win $1000 (25 to 1 odds on Bodog 3 weeks ago...). Great plan!

I hope the Giants stick to the week 17 game-paln.... Brady threw for 356yards and had two TDs that game.. and that was without the entire starting right side of the OL playing that game.

Here's an interesting and fun little read that will help get everyone up to date with things...

<table width=400 border=3 cellpadding=4 bgcolor=white><tr><td><center><font size=6><b><i>Super Bowl XLII</i></b></font>

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<font size=3>The conference championship games are over, with the New York Giants and the New England Patriots advancing to Super Bowl XLII. The Giants and Patriots will have to thaw out after defeating the Packers and Chargers respectively, in two of the coldest games in championship history.

Super Bowl XLII - New England Patriots vs. New York Giants. No matter who you ask, they will tell you they knew the Patriots would be going to Arizona soon after they made the trade for Randy Moss. But few people outside of New York would have predicted the Giants would be their Super Bowl opponents.

The New England Patriots are in the Super Bowl just like we all predicted. Starting the season as 5/2 favorites to win the Super Bowl, the Patriots crushed some NFL records along the way: most wins in a regular season (16-0), most points by a team (589), most passing touchdowns (Tom Brady with 50) and most receiving touchdowns (Randy Moss with 23). Brady and coach Bill Belichick received the MVP and Coach of the Year awards respectively.

During the first game of the season, New York Jets coach Eric Mangini went to the league office with evidence of the Patriots recording the Jets defensive play-calling, a big no-no. The NFL punished the Patriots with three-quarters of million dollars in fines and stripped them of their first round draft pick. Instead of sticking their tails between their legs, the Patriots responded like a spurned lover and ripped the hearts out of their opponents, running up the score as if to say to the league: “So you think we need to cheat to win? Watch this.” The Patriots became the team you loved to hate. But no matter what other teams threw at them, the New England Patriots won every game they’ve played and are only one win in Super Bowl XLII away from absolute perfection.

The New York Giants came into this season having lost their starting running back to retirement and Tom Coughlin dealing with a fractured locker room, calls for his job and inconsistent quarterback Eli Manning, who had failed to live up to the great expectations placed on him. If you combine those factors with a defense with too many question marks, the Giants reaching the playoffs, let alone the Super Bowl, would have been a huge surprise. Before the first game of the season, Bodog had set the Giants’ odds of winning Super Bowl XLII at 45/1.

After being embarrassed by Dallas in the second game of the season, something happened. Eli Manning became a leader and started to display some of the pedigree that his name would suggest. Tom Coughlin’s team pulled together and showed camaraderie and respect for each other by playing team-first football. And then there was the defense, led by an aging Michael Strahan and youngsters Justin Tuck and Osi Umenyiora, which began terrorizing quarterbacks to lead the league with 53 sacks.

New York finished the season on a 10-4 run, including seven wins on the road. The Giants have been road warriors all season long: After losing their first road game in Dallas, they won 10 straight road contests including three playoff wins versus Tampa, Dallas and Green Bay.

The New England Patriots vs. the New York Giants is going to be David versus Goliath, the 1980 U.S. Olympic hockey team versus the Russians, the Little Engine That Could versus the mountain. Who will win: Mountain or the Little Engine That Could?<br><br></font></td></tr></table>

BottleofRum wrote:

st.somewhere wrote:

TommyBahama wrote:

drunkpirate66 wrote:So if you are Tom Coughlin what do you do . . .

stack for the run . . . or play the cover 2 against Moss as teams have done all year . . . (and 18 - 0 shows that don't work too well . . .)

what ever he was doing in the 1st meeting...that seemed to work!!!!......i'd keep blitzing Brady and knock him around..hoping the Corners can cover 1 on 1..the front 4 will get pressure especially the ends!!!....Pierce will key on the run!!

Yeah, great plan! I love it!! Do that and Welker will no doubt be the Super Bowl MVP. When that happens I will win $1000 (25 to 1 odds on Bodog 3 weeks ago...). Great plan!

I hope the Giants stick to the week 17 game-paln.... Brady threw for 356yards and had two TDs that game.. and that was without the entire starting right side of the OL playing that game.

Well, if there is a weak link in the Pats offense it would be Nick Kazcur. Might have been a good thing he didn't play.

drunkpirate66 wrote:So if you are Tom Coughlin what do you do . . .

stack for the run . . . or play the cover 2 against Moss as teams have done all year . . . (and 18 - 0 shows that don't work too well . . .)

If you stack against the run, then you give Brady that bomb to Moss for quick scores and you'll be down 14 to 0 or 21 - 7 before your offense can get going.

You can't take away Moss only. If you play cover two, then you give Brady the middle to complete passes to Faulk and Welker with runs by Maroney for 6 to 8 yards a pop. I would think you would need to switch between these two types of defenses so that it will throw everyone off.

aeroparrot wrote:

drunkpirate66 wrote:So if you are Tom Coughlin what do you do . . .

stack for the run . . . or play the cover 2 against Moss as teams have done all year . . . (and 18 - 0 shows that don't work too well . . .)

If you stack against the run, then you give Brady that bomb to Moss for quick scores and you'll be down 14 to 0 or 21 - 7 before your offense can get going.

You can't take away Moss only. If you play cover two, then you give Brady the middle to complete passes to Faulk and Welker with runs by Maroney for 6 to 8 yards a pop. I would think you would need to switch between these two types of defenses so that it will throw everyone off.

I'VE MISSED YOU ADMIRAL OBVIOUS!


Defenses have played Cover 2 against the Pats all year . . . time for a change I would think after an 18 - 0 start. Perhaps a 4 - 3 Nickel with a constant blitz?

Let Maroney burn you . . . not Brady.

Not a fan of either team, but I'm rooting for the Patriots just because I'm sick of hearing about the '72 Dolphins every year.

For your Super Bowl party...hadn't seen these before.

Looking back on week 17, the Pats offensive game plan was out of whack since the entire focus of that game was to throw 2 TDs to Randy Moss - which they DID! Now Belichick/McDaniel can spend 2 weeks weeks working out how to properly shred the NY defense. I think NE was surprised in week 17 by the Giants' intensity and Coughlin's decision to play the starters the whole game. No surprises this time.

Too many factors in NE's favor:
2 week layoff
Guaranteed good weather
SB experience

Lets not forget the play of the Pats D in the red zone. Teams can move the ball on them, but as the field shortens their schemes become more difficult to solve. NE hasn't given up a TD in the last 6 quarters.

Patriots 35
Giants 20

st.somewhere wrote:The New England Patriots vs. the New York Giants is going to be David versus Goliath, the 1980 U.S. Olympic hockey team versus the Russians, the Little Engine That Could versus the mountain. Who will win: Mountain or the Little Engine That Could?

Um ... with your avatar I am surprised you would post that.
You know who won in each of those scenarios, right.

drunkpirate66 wrote:

aeroparrot wrote:

drunkpirate66 wrote:So if you are Tom Coughlin what do you do . . .

stack for the run . . . or play the cover 2 against Moss as teams have done all year . . . (and 18 - 0 shows that don't work too well . . .)

If you stack against the run, then you give Brady that bomb to Moss for quick scores and you'll be down 14 to 0 or 21 - 7 before your offense can get going.

You can't take away Moss only. If you play cover two, then you give Brady the middle to complete passes to Faulk and Welker with runs by Maroney for 6 to 8 yards a pop. I would think you would need to switch between these two types of defenses so that it will throw everyone off.

I'VE MISSED YOU ADMIRAL OBVIOUS!


Defenses have played Cover 2 against the Pats all year . . . time for a change I would think after an 18 - 0 start. Perhaps a 4 - 3 Nickel with a constant blitz?

Let Maroney burn you . . . not Brady.

4-3 Nickle?? Isn't that contradicting? Nickle has 5 DB's and 4-3 has 4 DB's!

a 4-3 Nickel would require 12 players on the field.

BottleofRum wrote:

drunkpirate66 wrote:

aeroparrot wrote:

drunkpirate66 wrote:So if you are Tom Coughlin what do you do . . .

stack for the run . . . or play the cover 2 against Moss as teams have done all year . . . (and 18 - 0 shows that don't work too well . . .)

If you stack against the run, then you give Brady that bomb to Moss for quick scores and you'll be down 14 to 0 or 21 - 7 before your offense can get going.

You can't take away Moss only. If you play cover two, then you give Brady the middle to complete passes to Faulk and Welker with runs by Maroney for 6 to 8 yards a pop. I would think you would need to switch between these two types of defenses so that it will throw everyone off.

I'VE MISSED YOU ADMIRAL OBVIOUS!


Defenses have played Cover 2 against the Pats all year . . . time for a change I would think after an 18 - 0 start. Perhaps a 4 - 3 Nickel with a constant blitz?

Let Maroney burn you . . . not Brady.

4-3 Nickle?? Isn't that contradicting? Nickle has 5 DB's and 4-3 has 4 DB's!

a 4-3 Nickel would require 12 players on the field.

um . . . my bad . . . I might have misplaced a number or two there.