Are these guys real?

[msu#1]

I think they are scam artists. I would never buy this but some dumb person out there might. Look at there so called feedback its all withing the last month.

I think I should report it as fake.

http://cgi.ebay.com/JIMMY-BUFFETT-TICKE ... dZViewItem

[dewyduster]

I think they are scam artists. I would never buy this but some dumb person out there might. Look at there so called feedback its all withing the last month.

I think I should report it as fake.

http://cgi.ebay.com/JIMMY-BUFFETT-TICKE ... dZViewItem

I wouldn't trust either. You can get your own access to presale passwords for half the price here: http://presalepassword.net/

Although no Buffett listings are available yet. But they usually don't post the password until a day or two before the presale date.

[BigR-KyParrothead]

I think they are scam artists. I would never buy this but some dumb person out there might. Look at there so called feedback its all withing the last month.

I think I should report it as fake.

http://cgi.ebay.com/JIMMY-BUFFETT-TICKE ... dZViewItem

I wouldn't trust either. You can get your own access to presale passwords for half the price here: http://presalepassword.net/

Although no Buffett listings are available yet. But they usually don't post the password until a day or two before the presale date.

has anybody ever used this site? 5 bucks for 48 hours sounds pretty good to me, if it is reliable.

[dewyduster]

I think they are scam artists. I would never buy this but some dumb person out there might. Look at there so called feedback its all withing the last month.

I think I should report it as fake.

http://cgi.ebay.com/JIMMY-BUFFETT-TICKE ... dZViewItem

I wouldn't trust either. You can get your own access to presale passwords for half the price here: http://presalepassword.net/

Although no Buffett listings are available yet. But they usually don't post the password until a day or two before the presale date.

has anybody ever used this site? 5 bucks for 48 hours sounds pretty good to me, if it is reliable.

I used it last year for the 9/2 Foxboro show. Worked like a charm on Ticketmaster.

[ScarletB]

I think they are scam artists. I would never buy this but some dumb person out there might. Look at there so called feedback its all withing the last month.

I think I should report it as fake.

http://cgi.ebay.com/JIMMY-BUFFETT-TICKE ... dZViewItem

I wouldn't trust either. You can get your own access to presale passwords for half the price here: http://presalepassword.net/

Although no Buffett listings are available yet. But they usually don't post the password until a day or two before the presale date.

has anybody ever used this site? 5 bucks for 48 hours sounds pretty good to me, if it is reliable.

I used it last year for the 9/2 Foxboro show. Worked like a charm on Ticketmaster.

Thanks KY you asked my question for me - I've made note of this it's worth $5 to give it a shot.

[C-Dawg]

Thanks KY you asked my question for me - I've made note of this it's worth $5 to give it a shot.

Scarlett, you get me the password, and the first round at Breakwater's on me

[ScarletB]

If it works, not to worry, I'll share. Whoever posted "Shark" for Foxboro last year got everyone in my group a decent seat at face. But I SO want to see him back at GW again this year.

[WWJBD?]

Has there ever been a pre-sale for Alpine? I wasn't aware of a pre sale happening for Alpine the last few years. If so...I'd be all over it.

[msu#1]

free passwords usually pop up on fatwallet.com

I posted the ebay because it looks like a scam artist. I love taking those punks down. I can see some dumb newb paying that guy 10 bucks for a password for a presale that doesnt even exist, then the person saying "well they had all positive feedback(it was all created by that seller this month) but it was all positive".

[surfpirate]

Will someone explain to me again why when everybody and his brother (and his 10 co-workers and entire family) are trying to get tickets at the same time online AND through presale (which theoretically are offers only for season ticket holders at venues), that it is somehow TicketMasters' and/or brokers' fault when venues sell out leaving thousand "out in the cold"? We innocent fans are not a part of the vast "sellout conspiracy"?

Not a sermon, just a thought.

[msu#1]

Will someone explain to me again why when everybody and his brother (and his 10 co-workers and entire family) are trying to get tickets at the same time online AND through presale (which theoretically are offers only for season ticket holders at venues), that it is somehow TicketMasters' and/or brokers' fault when venues sell out leaving thousand "out in the cold"? We innocent fans are not a part of the vast "sellout conspiracy"?

Not a sermon, just a thought.

because 90% of shows dont have presales, the only people who get to buy early or extras are season ticket holders and brokers. A large portion of season tickets holders ARE brokers-they get the packages with the intent to sell them.

Presales that are published are not just for season ticket holders-often they are for people who are fan club members, venue newsletter subscribers, and things along those lines. Oh and guess what, when those presales start most of the good tickets are already gone. Guess who got in before the presale even???

[WWJBD?]

I'm not sure about that, but I suspect there is not going to be a presale for Alpine. Again, I don't think they have had these for Alpine in the past. If someone has heard of or for sure knows of a previous Alpine presale(within the last 5 years) I would be interested to hear that. Otherwise the ebay auction listed to start this thread is probably bogus or they are starting something new this year. I know Gillette had one last year....but not Alpine

[dewyduster]

Will someone explain to me again why when everybody and his brother (and his 10 co-workers and entire family) are trying to get tickets at the same time online AND through presale (which theoretically are offers only for season ticket holders at venues), that it is somehow TicketMasters' and/or brokers' fault when venues sell out leaving thousand "out in the cold"? We innocent fans are not a part of the vast "sellout conspiracy"?

Not a sermon, just a thought.

Surfpirate - the lawgivers in their infinite wisdom have made it easy for brokers and/or scalpers to exist (thrive) in the world. I do not blame the Ticketmasters of the world nor do I blame the scalpers/brokers. They are the benefiters, not the facilitators. The group I blame is our elected officials.

Personally I figure that if I don't jump on a presale then some broker will purchase those tickets and end up selling them to someone for a hefty profit. I wish I didn't have to do this. I wish the playing field was level like the good old days. But unfortunately until they change the laws, people like us who just want to go to a show without mortgaging the farm will have to play by these rules. Or stop going to shows.

[WWJBD?]

Will someone explain to me again why when everybody and his brother (and his 10 co-workers and entire family) are trying to get tickets at the same time online AND through presale (which theoretically are offers only for season ticket holders at venues), that it is somehow TicketMasters' and/or brokers' fault when venues sell out leaving thousand "out in the cold"? We innocent fans are not a part of the vast "sellout conspiracy"?

Not a sermon, just a thought.

Surfpirate - the lawgivers in their infinite wisdom have made it easy for brokers and/or scalpers to exist (thrive) in the world. I do not blame the Ticketmasters of the world nor do I blame the scalpers/brokers. They are the benefiters, not the facilitators. The group I blame is our elected officials.

Personally I figure that if I don't jump on a presale then some broker will purchase those tickets and end up selling them to someone for a hefty profit. I wish I didn't have to do this. I wish the playing field was level like the good old days. But unfortunately until they change the laws, people like us who just want to go to a show without mortgaging the farm will have to play by these rules. Or stop going to shows.

I pretty much agree with this. If someone else trying to make a profit off of these tickets can get them this way...why should we not try to buy our own tickets(and/or tickets for friends) in the same way. To me it just seems that this hurts the scalpers business. The more tickets purchased by people who intend to use them or share them with friends at face value....the less tickets the scalpers can get their hands on.

[surfpirate]

Will someone explain to me again why when everybody and his brother (and his 10 co-workers and entire family) are trying to get tickets at the same time online AND through presale (which theoretically are offers only for season ticket holders at venues), that it is somehow TicketMasters' and/or brokers' fault when venues sell out leaving thousand "out in the cold"? We innocent fans are not a part of the vast "sellout conspiracy"?

Not a sermon, just a thought.

Surfpirate - the lawgivers in their infinite wisdom have made it easy for brokers and/or scalpers to exist (thrive) in the world. I do not blame the Ticketmasters of the world nor do I blame the scalpers/brokers. They are the benefiters, not the facilitators. The group I blame is our elected officials.

Personally I figure that if I don't jump on a presale then some broker will purchase those tickets and end up selling them to someone for a hefty profit. I wish I didn't have to do this. I wish the playing field was level like the good old days. But unfortunately until they change the laws, people like us who just want to go to a show without mortgaging the farm will have to play by these rules. Or stop going to shows.

I pretty much agree with this. If someone else trying to make a profit off of these tickets can get them this way...why should we not try to buy our own tickets(and/or tickets for friends) in the same way. To me it just seems that this hurts the scalpers business. The more tickets purchased by people who intend to use them or share them with friends at face value....the less tickets the scalpers can get their hands on.

Trust me. I also will grab any and all advantages I can ....... presales ..... brokers ....... extortion ..... whatever. And so will you and the guy next to you and thousands of others. I'm just amused year-in-year-out by the many people who selectively blame brokers and TicketMaster for their failure to get tickets, while barely acknowledging that they themselves (and thousands of other individual "real fans") are their own biggest competitors for a limited ticket supply. Bottom line .... tens of thousands of people all trying to get the maximum number of tickets they are allowed for a limited seat venue will ..... surprise ..... cause that venue to sell out (and fast) and many people will be without tickets.
Can it be done differently? better? Certainly. But it isn't .... yet .... and you make a very good point - brokers are benefactors of the way it is done now.

~~~~ surfpirate

[WWJBD?]

Will someone explain to me again why when everybody and his brother (and his 10 co-workers and entire family) are trying to get tickets at the same time online AND through presale (which theoretically are offers only for season ticket holders at venues), that it is somehow TicketMasters' and/or brokers' fault when venues sell out leaving thousand "out in the cold"? We innocent fans are not a part of the vast "sellout conspiracy"?

Not a sermon, just a thought.

Surfpirate - the lawgivers in their infinite wisdom have made it easy for brokers and/or scalpers to exist (thrive) in the world. I do not blame the Ticketmasters of the world nor do I blame the scalpers/brokers. They are the benefiters, not the facilitators. The group I blame is our elected officials.

Personally I figure that if I don't jump on a presale then some broker will purchase those tickets and end up selling them to someone for a hefty profit. I wish I didn't have to do this. I wish the playing field was level like the good old days. But unfortunately until they change the laws, people like us who just want to go to a show without mortgaging the farm will have to play by these rules. Or stop going to shows.

I pretty much agree with this. If someone else trying to make a profit off of these tickets can get them this way...why should we not try to buy our own tickets(and/or tickets for friends) in the same way. To me it just seems that this hurts the scalpers business. The more tickets purchased by people who intend to use them or share them with friends at face value....the less tickets the scalpers can get their hands on.

Trust me. I also will grab any and all advantages I can ....... presales ..... brokers ....... extortion ..... whatever. And so will you and the guy next to you and thousands of others. I'm just amused year-in-year-out by the many people who selectively blame brokers and TicketMaster for their failure to get tickets, while barely acknowledging that they themselves (and thousands of other individual "real fans") are their own biggest competitors for a limited ticket supply. Bottom line .... tens of thousands of people all trying to get the maximum number of tickets they are allowed for a limited seat venue will ..... surprise ..... cause that venue to sell out (and fast) and many people will be without tickets.
Can it be done differently? better? Certainly. But it isn't .... yet .... and you make a very good point - brokers are benefactors of the way it is done now.

~~~~ surfpirate

I really don't think it is that hard to get tickets on ticket day with a strategy. I have never had to use a broker or a scalper when I bought tickets right when they went on sale. I guess I am fairly internet savy and made a solid strategy to get tickets....but I have always gotten tickets for Alpine or whatever other venue I was trying to get. I'm probably somewhere around 10 for 10 on buying tickets on ticket day. I showed a few other people how I get tickets and they have had similar success(Really it is not that difficult). When I get tickets, if I have extras, I always give them to friends/family/fellow Parrothead Club members for whatever I paid for them. While I guess I am part of the reason that these tickets sell out in a few minutes....I guess I am part of the solution in that none of these tickets go at a markup and go straight to the people actually going to the show. My guess is that the scalpers probably have connections as well as an army of people that help them to purchase these tickets in the same manner. Honestly it's all based on the economics of supply and demand. Scalpers only get what people are willing to pay for the tickets. They are exactly the same as the people buying Nintendo Wii's at Christmas time and selling them on ebay for double to parents trying to fulfill a Christmas request that could not luck upon their own. I guess this whole thing is somewhat conflicting....on one hand they are benefitting from others poor Ticketmaster or planning luck - which seems wrong. On the other hand, if those people are willing to pay that much...well...I guess this is America. Bottom line is that the only way to stop this is to find a better way to get tickets or stop paying the extra "finders fee" charge. Eventually scalpers would have to lower their prices. I don't ever see that happening though, so the whole discussion is pretty much pointless(other then to vent frustration).

[surfpirate]

.........o the whole discussion is pretty much pointless(other then to vent frustration).

This is my favorite time of year. The real sign that winter is ending and spring/summer are around the corner is not some dang gopher popping his head out of a hole and seeing his shadow, but the flurry of February/March ticket buying stories and venting.

And for the record, I've never been shut out for any Jimmy Buffett concert I've wanted to see in the past 25 years. Now I've upgraded via broker tickets 2 or 3 times, but I've also sat front row, 2nd row, 3rd row orchestra with tickets I bought at the initial point of sale from TicketMaster for face value. Haven't missed seeing a concert in any year for the past 25 years.