Is Buffett slipping??? (re ticket sales)

ccmatt · Post by **ccmatt** » March 18, 2008 3:18 pm

Not all the musicians in Buffetts band are well off finanicially. I bet over 50% of the regualrs on this board make more.

NY2NC · Post by **NY2NC** » March 18, 2008 3:18 pm

LIPH wrote:The last thing I'll have to say in this thread ...

If you think the tickets are too expensive, stay home. End of story.

Hey...I like your answer!!

ClemsonTigersXoXo · Post by **ClemsonTigersXoXo** » March 18, 2008 3:27 pm

Buffett is a brilliant businessman.
& I will still pay the money to see him play. He won't be around forever. lol.
I agree though...
If people think they are too expensive & don't purchase them, then they will stay home.
The rest of us will be wastin' away again in Margaritaville.

But yea, I do have to agree that yes, crews for most bands don't get paid what they should. I dunno about Buffett's crew, though. But $130 for a ticket is fine with me for his show! lol.

Gypsie Girl · Post by **Gypsie Girl** » March 18, 2008 3:31 pm

ccmatt wrote:Not all the musicians in Buffetts band are well off finanicially. I bet over 50% of the regualrs on this board make more.

Good thing you are not betting! Everyone on stage with JB makes very nice $$$$.

As for who makes more on the BN board............

There is a huge difference with how much money one makes/earns and what they have to do to make/earn their money and how long and stressful one's job is to accomplish making their income.

JB and the guys and reeferettes have very little stress, travel in style and only have to work approx 30 days a year.

And maybe 3-4 hours a day.

Work 3-4 hours a day for one month per year, with very little stress and traveling in style with good food..........

We should all be lucky enough!

lovetoaster · Post by **lovetoaster** » March 18, 2008 3:33 pm

sjlmk wrote:Saturday afternoon there were still a lot of reserved seats left in Charlotte at $130.00 each! Two years ago when he was there the same tickets were $68.50!!! Of course all of the $33 lawn seats were long gone. That should tell you something. Paul McCartney in Atlanta two years ago were only $125.00.

Last night, I was looking back at my pavilion ticket to Bristow from eight years ago and it was $39. I also have one sitting around from four years ago that was $79. I'll still pay whatever though...within reason. As Clemson said above, he ain't going to be around forever, and you can't take the $$$ with you, so we should enjoy these shows while we can.

Skibo · Post by **Skibo** » March 18, 2008 3:34 pm

Gypsie Girl wrote: JB tickets do not have to be so expensive!

Actually they do. The price they are priced right now is very close to the the point where the supply/demand curves meet. Back in the good old days I was able to buy $65 pavilion seats and sell them on ebay for $125-150. Shows sold out quickly and the evil brokers profited on the under pricing of tickets. Now at $130+, tickets are not selling as quickly but still selling out and the "true" fans are able to get tickets without the evil brokers profiting. Touring is expensive and I strongly doubt that after all expenses and salaries are paid that there is much profit in this or any other tour.

lovetoaster · Post by **lovetoaster** » March 18, 2008 3:36 pm

A lot of tickets got kicked back yesterday and today. I got an e-mail today saying that two of mine to Bristow had been kicked back into the system because I screwed something up. Oh well, I still have a few...I was worried whether I could find enough people to fill the tickets we had that weekend anyways.

alphabits · Post by **alphabits** » March 18, 2008 3:43 pm

NFL players only work 16 days a year (19 if they go all the way to the Super Bowl).
And only for 3 or 4 hours. And they travel in style and eat well.
I think they should play for free.

BeeRbeLLY · Post by **BeeRbeLLY** » March 18, 2008 3:43 pm

Any way you look at it....a buck fifty is a lot of coin to drop for one ticket.
I just got pavilion seats for my #1 group, Rush at less than half that. Not to say that I don't love Jimmy to death, but they are a much more talented act musically (IMO anyway).

ClemsonTigersXoXo · Post by **ClemsonTigersXoXo** » March 18, 2008 3:52 pm

alphabits wrote:NFL players only work 16 days a year (19 if they go all the way to the Super Bowl).
And only for 3 or 4 hours. And they travel in style and eat well.
I think they should play for free.

You're leaving out the practicing they do year-long & the many hours they spend every day practicing. Pro players do work hard. Now, I dunno if they should be getting paid the type of money they are though.
That money should be going to teachers' salaries, cops' salaries, firefighters' salaries, nurses' salaries, doctors' salaries (wait, they do get paid pretty good already haha), etc. But hell, do I love me some sports!

alphabits · Post by **alphabits** » March 18, 2008 4:01 pm

ClemsonTigersXoXo wrote:
alphabits wrote:NFL players only work 16 days a year (19 if they go all the way to the Super Bowl).
And only for 3 or 4 hours. And they travel in style and eat well.
I think they should play for free.
You're leaving out the practicing they do year-long & the many hours they spend every day practicing. Pro players do work hard. Now, I dunno if they should be getting paid the type of money they are though.

Exactly my point. And you can apply that same response to this statement:

JB and the guys and reeferettes have very little stress, travel in style and only have to work approx 30 days a year.

And maybe 3-4 hours a day.

Gypsie Girl · Post by **Gypsie Girl** » March 18, 2008 4:13 pm

alphabits wrote:
ClemsonTigersXoXo wrote:
alphabits wrote:NFL players only work 16 days a year (19 if they go all the way to the Super Bowl).
And only for 3 or 4 hours. And they travel in style and eat well.
I think they should play for free.
You're leaving out the practicing they do year-long & the many hours they spend every day practicing. Pro players do work hard. Now, I dunno if they should be getting paid the type of money they are though.
Exactly my point. And you can apply that same response to this statement:

JB and the guys and reeferettes have very little stress, travel in style and only have to work approx 30 days a year.

And maybe 3-4 hours a day.

Professional athletes also have to contend with the possibility of having career or life ending injuries.

Musicians do not!

Gypsie Girl · Post by **Gypsie Girl** » March 18, 2008 4:21 pm

Skibo wrote:
Gypsie Girl wrote: JB tickets do not have to be so expensive!
Actually they do. The price they are priced right now is very close to the the point where the supply/demand curves meet. Back in the good old days I was able to buy $65 pavilion seats and sell them on ebay for $125-150. Shows sold out quickly and the evil brokers profited on the under pricing of tickets. Now at $130+, tickets are not selling as quickly but still selling out and the "true" fans are able to get tickets without the evil brokers profiting. Touring is expensive and I strongly doubt that after all expenses and salaries are paid that there is much profit in this or any other tour.

Actually they do not!

& there are many tours and/or musicians that do not have JB ticket prices.

Jack Johnson has much cheaper tickets.

Now I know Jack Johnson is no JB, it is like apples and oranges......

But I work in the music industry and you are quite simply incorrect about how the finances work.

& the dynamics of how the supply/demand curve actually works.

JB tickets are over priced and as long as people pay for them, they will most probably remain that way.

Unless JB makes a monumental move to lower ticket prices.

Sporting events are equally overpriced as i posted previously.

And as a last note, JB again is not the only individual conducting business this way.

Just look at how some bands are now incorporating VIP packages into their ticket sales.

Ozzy Osbourne, Sammy Hagar, The Eagles, just to name a few.

For a mere $250 - $1000 you can reserve a seat in the first 15 rows of concerts.

Greedy, greedy, greedy.

& if people did not want to buy these packages they wouldn't exist.

But people do buy these expensive tickets and VIP packages and thus, the cycle goes round and round with no end in sight.

It comes down to choice.

If you think tickets are overpriced, then don't buy them.

That's all there is to it!

Then maybe ticket prices would come down.

Tarheel Tail-Gator · Post by **Tarheel Tail-Gator** » March 18, 2008 4:27 pm

Gypsie Girl wrote:
alphabits wrote:
ClemsonTigersXoXo wrote:
alphabits wrote:NFL players only work 16 days a year (19 if they go all the way to the Super Bowl).
And only for 3 or 4 hours. And they travel in style and eat well.
I think they should play for free.
You're leaving out the practicing they do year-long & the many hours they spend every day practicing. Pro players do work hard. Now, I dunno if they should be getting paid the type of money they are though.
Exactly my point. And you can apply that same response to this statement:

JB and the guys and reeferettes have very little stress, travel in style and only have to work approx 30 days a year.

And maybe 3-4 hours a day.

Professional athletes also have to contend with the possibility of having career or life ending injuries.

Musicians do not!

No, musicians do not have to contend with life ending injuries, but if you think about JB's career, how many years did he play 100+ shows a year to make it to where he is now in his career. What about the failures, the years of just getting by, etc.

How many concerts (or sporting events) are actually filling their venues for the most part every night?

No one has to pay $150 to see a JB show. For the most part, you can get a lawn ticket with fees for $50. Is $50 too much? When dinner, drinks, and a movie will run you $50 or more, I don't think that that's outrageous.

We don't all drive the most expensive cars, live in the most expensive trips, or take the most expensive vacations, but it doesn't mean that those cars, trips, and vacations are overpriced. This year, I will probably be up close for one show and on the lawn for another. I'll have a great time at both shows.

I don't care how much his musicians make! If they are earning big bucks, good for them! By the way, you can still see Jake Shimabukuro for $12, the day after the Charlotte Concert at the Neighborhood Theater. Smaller Show, much smaller crowd, smaller crew, no back up band. That's a great price for a great experience, but Jake will be charging $30 or $40 for that same show in a few years as he becomes more popular and the demand to see him increases

It is all about supply and demand in an ever more expensive economy.

alphabits · Post by **alphabits** » March 18, 2008 4:28 pm

Gypsie Girl wrote:
alphabits wrote:
ClemsonTigersXoXo wrote:
alphabits wrote:NFL players only work 16 days a year (19 if they go all the way to the Super Bowl).
And only for 3 or 4 hours. And they travel in style and eat well.
I think they should play for free.
You're leaving out the practicing they do year-long & the many hours they spend every day practicing. Pro players do work hard. Now, I dunno if they should be getting paid the type of money they are though.
Exactly my point. And you can apply that same response to this statement:

JB and the guys and reeferettes have very little stress, travel in style and only have to work approx 30 days a year.

And maybe 3-4 hours a day.

Professional athletes also have to contend with the possibility of having career or life ending injuries.

Musicians do not!

Now look at them yo-yo's that's the way you do it
You play the guitar on the MTV
That ain't workin' that's the way you do it
Money for nothin' and your chicks for free
Now that ain't workin' that's the way you do it
Lemme tell ya them guys ain't dumb
Maybe get a blister on your little finger
Maybe get a blister on your thumb

Perhaps you should become a musician and work 3-4 hours a day for 30 days a year.

BeeRbeLLY · Post by **BeeRbeLLY** » March 18, 2008 4:36 pm

A musicians fingers could be horribly disfigured in a freak meat grinder incident....

Gypsie Girl · Post by **Gypsie Girl** » March 18, 2008 4:39 pm

alphabits wrote:
Gypsie Girl wrote:
alphabits wrote:
ClemsonTigersXoXo wrote:
alphabits wrote:NFL players only work 16 days a year (19 if they go all the way to the Super Bowl).
And only for 3 or 4 hours. And they travel in style and eat well.
I think they should play for free.
You're leaving out the practicing they do year-long & the many hours they spend every day practicing. Pro players do work hard. Now, I dunno if they should be getting paid the type of money they are though.
Exactly my point. And you can apply that same response to this statement:

JB and the guys and reeferettes have very little stress, travel in style and only have to work approx 30 days a year.

And maybe 3-4 hours a day.

Professional athletes also have to contend with the possibility of having career or life ending injuries.

Musicians do not!

Now look at them yo-yo's that's the way you do it
You play the guitar on the MTV
That ain't workin' that's the way you do it
Money for nothin' and your chicks for free
Now that ain't workin' that's the way you do it
Lemme tell ya them guys ain't dumb
Maybe get a blister on your little finger
Maybe get a blister on your thumb

Perhaps you should become a musician and work 3-4 hours a day for 30 days a year.

I'd love to dignify your opinion, but won't stoop to your level.

But maybe you should..........

Nope, I'm just not mean enough to reply to that.

z-man · Post by **z-man** » March 18, 2008 4:43 pm

Gypsie Girl wrote:
Skibo wrote:
Gypsie Girl wrote: JB tickets do not have to be so expensive!
Actually they do. The price they are priced right now is very close to the the point where the supply/demand curves meet. Back in the good old days I was able to buy $65 pavilion seats and sell them on ebay for $125-150. Shows sold out quickly and the evil brokers profited on the under pricing of tickets. Now at $130+, tickets are not selling as quickly but still selling out and the "true" fans are able to get tickets without the evil brokers profiting. Touring is expensive and I strongly doubt that after all expenses and salaries are paid that there is much profit in this or any other tour.
Actually they do not!

& there are many tours and/or musicians that do not have JB ticket prices.

Jack Johnson has much cheaper tickets.

Now I know Jack Johnson is no JB, it is like apples and oranges......

But I work in the music industry and you are quite simply incorrect about how the finances work.

& the dynamics of how the supply/demand curve actually works.

JB tickets are over priced and as long as people pay for them, they will most probably remain that way.

Unless JB makes a monumental move to lower ticket prices.

Sporting events are equally overpriced as i posted previously.

And as a last note, JB again is not the only individual conducting business this way.

Just look at how some bands are now incorporating VIP packages into their ticket sales.

Ozzy Osbourne, Sammy Hagar, The Eagles, just to name a few.

For a mere $250 - $1000 you can reserve a seat in the first 15 rows of concerts.

Greedy, greedy, greedy.

& if people did not want to buy these packages they wouldn't exist.

But people do buy these expensive tickets and VIP packages and thus, the cycle goes round and round with no end in sight.

It comes down to choice.

If you think tickets are overpriced, then don't buy them.

That's all there is to it!

Then maybe ticket prices would come down.

Gypsie Girl,

I for one am glad you and Mick have been around here lately;
Welcome to BN

what I don't understand is the anger/defensiveness in many of your posts

sure there are some (over)opinionated pholks around here, but we all care about Buffett's music and look forward to the next chance to hear it

I will defer to your knowledge of the music industry, but respectfully disagree with your interpretation of supply and demand.
If the demand supports $150 tickets and $1000 VIP packages, that is what they will sell for.
I would rather the entertainer see the benefit rather than scalpers make the extra money.

Post by **SMLCHNG** » March 18, 2008 4:48 pm

Gypsie Girl wrote:he really doesn't need the money.
Of course we all deserve to get paid for our work.
All I was saying is that JB could easily afford to lower the ticket prices or even throw us a free tour and still have millions left over.

Exactly how do you know what Jimmy needs financially? Why is it so wrong to make money? He does a fair amount of spending it, as well.
Personally I don't think any of us has a clue as to his finances, and I'd never presume to think he doesn't need money.

alphabits · Post by **alphabits** » March 18, 2008 4:54 pm

Gypsie Girl wrote:
I'd love to dignify your opinion, but won't stoop to your level.

But maybe you should..........

Nope, I'm just not mean enough to reply to that.

I'm not sure what you mean by stooping to MY level.
I posted lyrics to a Dire Straits song that pokes fun at the "rigors" of being a musician.
And you earlier stated, "We should all be lucky enough!' regarding JB's work schedule. Wouldn't becoming a musician make you lucky enough?

I don't get your snippy little comments. Maybe I should .....????
Maybe I should what? Apparently you intended to say something mean.
I wasn't mean and I certainly didn't stoop to any "level".
We can disagree on the subject but I don't think the "attitude" is necessary.