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Posted: **May 2, 2008 8:54 am**

Wino you know wrote:Scarlet:
Yes, we DID make our own bed-by not allowing any domestic drilling, new refineries, manufacturing of coal, etc.
The only people that are happy about all this are the environmentalist wackos.

Seems you feel about President Bush the same way I feel about former President Clinton-NOT my favorite president, but would probably be a lot of fun to go to HOOTERS with.
And nice try, sweetie, but on 1/20/09, you KNOW I'll love you even more so than today.

You kill me

Seriously I'd be happy to let this run it's course but as I mentioned in my post earlier, I have an 81 year old mother who won't be able to heat her house this winter - even with my financial help it's hard for her.
And I'm sorry but I'd rather drive a smaller car and keep our wildlands and offshore areas truly wild and untouched. That's something you can't put a price on.

Posted: **May 2, 2008 9:26 am**

Posted: **May 2, 2008 10:10 am**

ScarletB wrote:You kill me
Seriously I'd be happy to let this run it's course but as I mentioned in my post earlier, I have an 81 year old mother who won't be able to heat her house this winter - even with my financial help it's hard for her.
And I'm sorry but I'd rather drive a smaller car and keep our wildlands and offshore areas truly wild and untouched. That's something you can't put a price on.

So would you rather have granmother be warm this winter? Or let the caribou have an area the size of Italy to mate in? Because ANWR is literally the same size as Italy.

Posted: **May 2, 2008 10:14 am**

Skibo wrote:10% profit? As a shareholder I am furious. I expect better next quarter.

Baseball players earn $20 mil a year and they get cheered. I think a CEO's should be paid better than sports stars. The companies they run certainly employ more people.

Right there with you Skibo. Agree completely.

Posted: **May 2, 2008 4:38 pm**

green1 wrote:
ScarletB wrote:You kill me
Seriously I'd be happy to let this run it's course but as I mentioned in my post earlier, I have an 81 year old mother who won't be able to heat her house this winter - even with my financial help it's hard for her.
And I'm sorry but I'd rather drive a smaller car and keep our wildlands and offshore areas truly wild and untouched. That's something you can't put a price on.
So would you rather have granmother be warm this winter? Or let the caribou have an area the size of Italy to mate in? Because ANWR is literally the same size as Italy.

Fine, lets open up the wilderness to every oil company that wants to explore there. Lets put oil rigs up off Key West, should make for nice views at MOTM. After all it's our RIGHT as Americans to consume, consume, consume, bigger cars, bigger houses, more debt whoo hoo, it's a party! Go nuts!

You know, I'm really not an environmental nut job but conversations like this one make me crazy. I won't argue there's plenty of oil but at what price to our world? Geez, can't we even consider REDUCING OUR USAGE for a minute? Or do we just have an insatiable need to consume, consume consume. I don't even have any kids, nieces nephews etc and even I'd like to leave a world where future generations don't just see pictures of what our wild places USED to look like.

I know we will never agree on this, hell one of my best friends is an empty nester who drives a GMC Denali because in her words "The bigger the better" We've agreed to just not discuss it. If she's OK with filling her tank at over $100 a pop then she can knock herself out. So rather than give myself an ulcer getting all in a tilt about this, I'll agree to disagree and I'll drive my small car and try to moderate my consumption and hope for the best.

Posted: **May 2, 2008 4:47 pm**

I'll continue to drive my 9 1/2 year old car that has 37,000 miles on it.

Posted: **May 2, 2008 4:52 pm**

ScarletB wrote:Geez, can't we even consider REDUCING OUR USAGE for a minute? Or do we just have an insatiable need to consume, consume consume.

Reducing usage isn't enough. We have the resources and should be tapping into them. If for no other reason but to keep US capital in the US. Our country has a tremendous trade deficit. We import too much. If nothing else I would prefer that our oil usage be reinvested in the USA instead of the terrorists and socialists that control most of the oil reserves.

Posted: **May 2, 2008 5:00 pm**

Saw this in the paper today, how topical!
Just stirrin' the pot

Posted: **May 2, 2008 5:02 pm**

Wino you know wrote:BULLSH*T!
BULLSH*T!
BULLSH*T!

First of all, there is LOTS of oil in this country and off shore so that we don't need to get raped by the O.P.E.C. a-holes!!!
But thanks to all the enviornmentalist nut jobs ( ), we can't make any more new refineries, nuclear plants, coal producing plants, or drill for oil where there IS oil (Alaska, North Dakota, off shore, among other places).

Here's THE solution-
Offer the A-rabs over there $30.00 per barrel of oil, tell their sorry a$$es to take it or leave it.
If they say no, we drill for oil in THIS country, and if any of those environmentalist KOOKS get in the way, SHOOT THE C.S.ers!
(Which would solve TWO problems:
1) Less of their smelly hippie a$$es going around carrying signs b*tching to high heaven of how we're harming their precious environment for their precious rug rats, as if anyone with a brain gives a damn what they have to say, and
2) More oil for the rest of us, thereby driving down the price)

And WHO IN THE NAME OF GODZILLA'S HALLATOCIOUS gives a damn what they pay for gas in Europe????
They have no idea how the hell to take showers over there, so how can they be expected to drill for and refine oil?
HOWEVER, anyone that feels "guilty" that they pay more than us should be given a free passport and immigration papers (or EMIGRATION papers, I guess) to go live over there and pay THEIR stupid inflated prices, which, once again, would mean more and less costly oil for the rest of us.

You people hate President Bush?
You'd better thank your lucky stars I'M not your president, or you'd be having nightmares every night.

I sincerely love each and everyone here from the bottom of my heart, but I have to say, liberal democrats who complain about the high price of gasoline have definately given me something to smile and laugh about during these past trying few months for me.

Oh this is good, what is this a temper tantrum? or a hissy fit?
Lighten up Francis. Just becuase people disagree with your way of thinking doesn't make you right and everyone else an idiot as you perceive.

The purpose of a discussion board is for people to have ADULT opinions and discussions. If you want to act/respond like a child, go to the playground where you can take your ball and go home if the other kids don't want to play YOUR way. You don't have to denigrate a discussion by name calling everyone & anyone who disagrees with you. Everyone is entitled to an opinion whether you agree with it or not.l

I have never seen anyone respond to your Pr0-Bush/republican point of views with name-calling and belittling the way you respond to anyone who doesn't fall in line behind you.

GROW UP! If you can't hold a civil, mature discussion and respect other's opinions', stay off the board.

I think the moderators would agree.

Posted: **May 2, 2008 5:12 pm**

Right now, too many of this country's foreign policy blunders put us in poor standing
to do anything diplomatically to stem this inflated run-up on crude oil prices
Our weak dollar gives us NO leverage to influence foreign markets.

gee, how does THAT happen?....

why would Wal-Mart have some connection to this??

Domestically, developing and drilling ANWR wouldn't have any impact for at least 10 years to come.
The reserves could only offset our energy needs by a few percentage points.
The long-term benefit is negligible at best, and isn't worth the investment or potential harm.
Hell, if Bush had his way, we would be running cars on COAL.
In all our country's years, have we had to endure such short-sighted, profit-grabbing foolishness, and
trying to somehow relate this crisis with sports athletes is just plain moronic.
Completely different market scenarios there...
Coming in with that rationale... man, ya oughtta just ... (edited rant)
Energy experts agree that the future is bio-fuels,
but the direction towards corn-based ethanol is foolish and expensive at both ends.
The only ones benefitting are farmers, who already are subsidized to NOT grow food crops.
The answer is switchgrass. Grows like a weed, and far cheaper to refine.

But, sensible policies have NEVER been a hallmark of this administration...

Posted: **May 2, 2008 5:50 pm**

LIPH wrote:I'll continue to drive my 9 1/2 year old car that has 37,000 miles on it.

Mines 12 years old and has 52,000 miles on it!

Posted: **May 2, 2008 5:52 pm**

citcat wrote:I hope I can live long enough to see the day when oil is no longer needed to run cars and OPEC goes under. WAY under.

Everyone should watch the movie, "Who killed the electric car".

Posted: **May 2, 2008 6:33 pm**

Ukulady wrote:
LIPH wrote:I'll continue to drive my 9 1/2 year old car that has 37,000 miles on it.
Mines 12 years old and has 52,000 miles on it!

My truck is 7 1/2 years old and has 128,000 on it so far...

I love to drive thoughout the West,
and I'm not happy at all about gas prices TRIPLEing while an "oilman" is in office

Posted: **May 2, 2008 8:54 pm**

Ukulady wrote:
citcat wrote:I hope I can live long enough to see the day when oil is no longer needed to run cars and OPEC goes under. WAY under.
Everyone should watch the movie, "Who killed the electric car".

Saw it. Just goes to show how BIG business wants to keep everything at status quo. The one good thing about the high price of gas is it will not only stimulate creative minds to find alternatives to oil it will also make affordable to find alternatives.

Posted: **May 2, 2008 9:38 pm**

Amazing how the Oil Companies are the villan. No was concerned about them in 1989 when we were getting $8.00 a barrel.

Posted: **May 3, 2008 1:52 am**

nauiphinz wrote:Amazing how the Oil Companies are the villan. No was concerned about them in 1989 when we were getting $8.00 a barrel.

But we were not happy in 1979 either,.....remember the lines at the gas station then? I know some of you are old enuf to remember. It will only affect us when we can't get it.....I'm telling everyone watch "Who killed the electric car". The technology is already here, the Gov. and the oil biz has us snowed.

Posted: **May 3, 2008 2:38 am**

nauiphinz wrote:Amazing how the Oil Companies are the villan. No was concerned about them in 1989 when we were getting $8.00 a barrel.

What is really interesting is that in the last 8years(while "W" has been in office) a barrel of oil has gone from $20.00 a barrel, to almost $120.00.

Oh BTW, Texas has a lot of Oil business, doesn't it? And "W" is from........oh let me think! AHHHHH TEXAS!

Remarkable, coincidence, isn't it?

Posted: **May 3, 2008 10:11 am**

U.S. domestic oil production peaked in the 1970s. This was accurately predicted by geologist M. King Hubbert back in the 1950s. On the downside of the production peak, the remaining oil is harder to produce and therefore more expensive. In any case, it is physically impossible to pump 100% of the oil out of any oil field. After the U.S. production peak, cheaper imported oil replaced more and more of the remaining expensive domestic oil.

Using Hubbert's methodology, petroleum geologists some years ago predicted global oil production would peak in the early years of this century. The available evidence indicates that they were correct - global production has peaked. I say the 'available evidence', because the figures on oil reserves still in the ground are kept confidential by oil companies and governments of oil producing nations.

For example, OPEC production quotas (the amount each member can pump out of the ground and sell) are based on the size of their stated reserves - those with larger reserves get to sell more oil. Because of this, OPEC nations derive an economic benefit from overstating their reserves. This creates problems for determining how much oil is left. It also distorts economic signals that would help the so-called 'free market' lead us to alternatives.

But the signs of being past the global oil production peak are there, if you believe the analysis of some very smart people.

Finally, on the downside of the global production peak, oil prices will rise relentlessly, the global marketplace will become more volatile, shortages will exacerbate conflicts in producing areas and food production will falter as the petroleum feedstocks for the pesticides and herbicides that drive our type of industrial agriculture become rare and expensive.

In fact, petroleum products are such a huge part of global food production, that as oil becomes harder and harder to obtain (not only because of decreasing production but also because of increased competition from developing economies like India and China for what is left) we will have effectively exceeded the carrying capacity of our planet, in terms of population. 50 years from now the planet will be supporting far less than its current population and we in this country won't be immune from the 'die off'.

The Arctic National Wildlife Reserve contains a relatively small amount of oil - about enough to impact by a few percent our current domestic consumption.

Is there anybody around who STILL thinks invading Iraq was about 9/11 or WMDs? The U.S. led embargo kept Iraq from pumping hardly any oil for much of the last 16 years. The invasion of Iraq was driven the desire to establish a 'forward presence' in the Gulf area and control those large reserves. This was all public knowledge as early as 1998 for those who cared to pay attention.

Folks really should have been paying more attention to what has been going on in the world around them all these years.

By the way, I just got back from Paris, where they're paying about 1.60 euros for a liter of premium, which translates to roughly $2.72 U.S. for a liter, which translates to roughly just over $10.00 per U.S. gallon for gasoline.

Some people think that the 'free market' and our technological prowess will solve the problem of declining oil reserves. But there is no 'free market' in the oil business and I think it is questionable as to whether our technological prowess will solve the problems we face in the time frame available to us. The infrastructure needed to use other sources of fuel to maintain our current standard of living just isn't there and will take decades to put in place. But we don't have the luxury of decades.

We should have been aggressively pursuing conservation, energy efficiency and alternative fuels for years, but our political leaders have promoted other agendas more friendly to the large oil companies.

I hate to say it, but I think those of us who have lived through it will all look back on these last few decades as some kind of 'Golden Age'.

Future generations will just look back on it and think we were incredibly stupid.

Posted: **May 3, 2008 12:47 pm**

rumdrinks wrote:
Wino you know wrote:BULLSH*T!
BULLSH*T!
BULLSH*T!

First of all, there is LOTS of oil in this country and off shore so that we don't need to get raped by the O.P.E.C. a-holes!!!
But thanks to all the enviornmentalist nut jobs ( ), we can't make any more new refineries, nuclear plants, coal producing plants, or drill for oil where there IS oil (Alaska, North Dakota, off shore, among other places).

Here's THE solution-
Offer the A-rabs over there $30.00 per barrel of oil, tell their sorry a$$es to take it or leave it.
If they say no, we drill for oil in THIS country, and if any of those environmentalist KOOKS get in the way, SHOOT THE C.S.ers!
(Which would solve TWO problems:
1) Less of their smelly hippie a$$es going around carrying signs b*tching to high heaven of how we're harming their precious environment for their precious rug rats, as if anyone with a brain gives a damn what they have to say, and
2) More oil for the rest of us, thereby driving down the price)

And WHO IN THE NAME OF GODZILLA'S HALLATOCIOUS gives a damn what they pay for gas in Europe????
They have no idea how the hell to take showers over there, so how can they be expected to drill for and refine oil?
HOWEVER, anyone that feels "guilty" that they pay more than us should be given a free passport and immigration papers (or EMIGRATION papers, I guess) to go live over there and pay THEIR stupid inflated prices, which, once again, would mean more and less costly oil for the rest of us.

You people hate President Bush?
You'd better thank your lucky stars I'M not your president, or you'd be having nightmares every night.

I sincerely love each and everyone here from the bottom of my heart, but I have to say, liberal democrats who complain about the high price of gasoline have definately given me something to smile and laugh about during these past trying few months for me.

Oh this is good, what is this a temper tantrum? or a hissy fit?
Lighten up Francis. Just becuase people disagree with your way of thinking doesn't make you right and everyone else an idiot as you perceive.

The purpose of a discussion board is for people to have ADULT opinions and discussions. If you want to act/respond like a child, go to the playground where you can take your ball and go home if the other kids don't want to play YOUR way. You don't have to denigrate a discussion by name calling everyone & anyone who disagrees with you. Everyone is entitled to an opinion whether you agree with it or not.l

I have never seen anyone respond to your Pr0-Bush/republican point of views with name-calling and belittling the way you respond to anyone who doesn't fall in line behind you.

GROW UP! If you can't hold a civil, mature discussion and respect other's opinions', stay off the board.

I think the moderators would agree.

AH,
BULLSH*T!

Pure, real, unadulterated, 100% honest-to God BULLSH*T

Go have a six pack of beer and get yourself a piece of a$$ and send me the bill, Gomer.
I already sent President Bush a thank you card in advance and signed your name to it for your tax rebate check.

SEE-
We're really just a couple of nice good ol' honest-to-goodness REAL Americans who hope you never have to wake up some morning and say

SALAAM-A-F--KING-LIKUM, Y'ALL!!!

And don't hate me because I refuse to drive a lawn mower with doors on the damn thing-
Hate me because I'm beautiful.

P.S.
I'm 56 years old, am a combat veteran, and have p*ssed in all seven seas.
I've EARNED the right to have temper tantrums and hissy fits.

Posted: **May 3, 2008 1:04 pm**

Ukulady wrote:
citcat wrote:I hope I can live long enough to see the day when oil is no longer needed to run cars and OPEC goes under. WAY under.
Everyone should watch the movie, "Who killed the electric car".

Amen Sister!

And I hope everyone who watches it gets highly p*** OFF at the "nice" relationship big oil, auto makers and "our" govt enjoy at OUR expense

Serioulsy, we're simply screwed. Our economic engine runs off consumption, consumption means taxes, taxes mean more spending, more spending means more consumption... until we get that hamster off the consumption wheel and learn to value things like saving, reducing and simplifying, we will continue to feed the engine.

Now I'm going into town to buy a new flusher for my toilet and RCA jacks for my 20 year old stereo I took out of the closet last night so I could listen to some vinyl again

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