Bio Fuel??

[ragtopW]

or French fry oil??

anyone done the fry oil thing??
or have any friends/family that has?

my Dad is he!! bent on the process..
any info?

[Marnin Grita Guy]

A person I work with is looking at getting a diesel car because his friend

is making it and it only costs him about 94 cents a gallon to make.

I would also like to point out what a pleasure it is to be co-pilot and how

great the mug will work with "winter" DP.

[ragtopW]

A person I work with is looking at getting a diesel car because his friend

is making it and it only costs him about 94 cents a gallon to make.

I would also like to point out what a pleasure it is to be co-pilot and how

great the mug will work with "winter" DP.

Thanks..

and.. I ordered it Thursday!!!

[Lightning Bolt]

It's a brilliant direction that could be realized..
if you could ever shake Detroit and the oil companies out of the conversation.

The old establishment would prefer to control the conversation.
They already did it to the electric car.

We're already feeling the effect of the push toward ethanol.
It costs MORE than oil to refine into a gallon of gasoline.
It's diverting corn from the food market into the fuel market and created ANOTHER crisis at the supermarket.

the hot alternative is SWITCHGRASS... it grows like a weed and is CHEAPER to refine.

If brighter, open minds are ALLOWED to proceed, (say, starting in 2009?)
there could be big hope for bio-fuel's future in America

[Tequila Revenge]

It's a brilliant direction that could be realized..
if you could ever shake Detroit and the oil companies out of the conversation.

The old establishment would prefer to control the conversation.
They already did it to the electric car.

We're already feeling the effect of the push toward ethanol.
It costs MORE than oil to refine into a gallon of gasoline.
It's diverting corn from the food market into the fuel market and created ANOTHER crisis at the supermarket.

the hot alternative is SWITCHGRASS... it grows like a weed and is CHEAPER to refine.

If brighter, open minds are ALLOWED to proceed, (say, starting in 2009?)
there could be big hope for bio-fuel's future in America

You and I both know if prople can make thier own fuel, the govt can not collect taxes to mismanage. They'll make the mgf of fuels against the law very soon.

http://www.biowillieusa.com/

It can be more expensive than regular deisel too

[Tequila Revenge]

And then there's this:

http://www.nature.org/initiatives/clima ... 23819.html

A new study from The Nature Conservancy and the University of Minnesota finds that many biofuels — seen by many as a potentially low-carbon energy source — actually emit more greenhouse gases than the fossil fuels they aim to replace.

According to the study, co-authored by Joe Fargione, a regional scientist for the Conservancy, “converting rainforests, peatlands, savannas, or grasslands to produce biofuels in Brazil, Southeast Asia, and the United States creates a ‘biofuel carbon debt’ by releasing 17 to 420 times more carbon dioxide than the fossil fuels they replace."




What about an electric car you can charge at night while costs are really low?

[The Lost Manatee]

In the very short term we don't have a lot of options other than plug in hybrids. In the longer term we can go to an electric car which has some environmental issues as well, mostly relating to the heavy metals in the batteries and potentially the generation of the electricity.

In order to have the cleanest burning fuel to power our vehicles we need to be looking at hydrogen produced from electricity that is generated by renewable supplies, such as wind power. I grant you this will take a few years to build the infrastructure and the vehicles yet it would provide this country with energy independence and at a small environmental impact.

We should be saving oil for non fuel uses, such as lubricants, manufacturing of plastics, production of a host of chemicals and other products that we currently cannot make without the use of petrochemicals.

[OceanCityGirl]

There are several professors at my college who have done this and are proponents of it. It will work well while not alot of people are doing it. My understanding is it would be less efficient if there became a heavy draw for the used oil.
Your father will need a garage or some place to store the filtering and warming equipment. There is a bit of an odor.

[Salukulady]

And then there's this:

http://www.nature.org/initiatives/clima ... 23819.html

A new study from The Nature Conservancy and the University of Minnesota finds that many biofuels — seen by many as a potentially low-carbon energy source — actually emit more greenhouse gases than the fossil fuels they aim to replace.

According to the study, co-authored by Joe Fargione, a regional scientist for the Conservancy, “converting rainforests, peatlands, savannas, or grasslands to produce biofuels in Brazil, Southeast Asia, and the United States creates a ‘biofuel carbon debt’ by releasing 17 to 420 times more carbon dioxide than the fossil fuels they replace."




What about an electric car you can charge at night while costs are really low?

And you and I know the movie everyone should rent and pass on to everyone they know!!!

[TropicalTroubador]

In the meantime, one of the newest "crimes of opportunity" is folks who drive around town and siphon/pump used fry oil out of the bins in back of restaurants. They take it home and filter/process it for their own cars.

[Salukulady]

In the meantime, one of the newest "crimes of opportunity" is folks who drive around town and siphon/pump used fry oil out of the bins in back of restaurants. They take it home and filter/process it for their own cars.

now that's gotta be a nasty job......

[RinglingRingling]

In the meantime, one of the newest "crimes of opportunity" is folks who drive around town and siphon/pump used fry oil out of the bins in back of restaurants. They take it home and filter/process it for their own cars.

why am I reminded of a Simpson's episode?

[mirrorthatlies]

Our school system (Gaston County, NC) uses biodiesel fuel in our buses. I use to smell like diesel fuel when I went back inside the school, after taking students to load on the buses, now there is an aroma of french fries. Of course, they don't totally run on bio fuel, but they are working towards it. I know we are the only county in NC using bio fuels in our buses.

To read an article on it, go to: www.gastongazette.com and search for Gaston County School Buses Running on Cooking Oil.

[Salukulady]

Our school system (Gaston County, NC) uses biodiesel fuel in our buses. I use to smell like diesel fuel when I went back inside the school, after taking students to load on the buses, now there is an aroma of french fries. Of course, they don't totally run on bio fuel, but they are working towards it. I know we are the only county in NC using bio fuels in our buses.

To read an article on it, go to: www.gastongazette.com and search for Gaston County School Buses Running on Cooking Oil.

You've got a smart school district....our school district doesn't use their busses (except for the special ed kids) so 1200 cars (most of them SUV's) drop off 1200 kids each morning and pick them up every afternoon, and that's just one middle school. They stopped the busses years ago due to the expense of operating them.

[Tequila Revenge]

And then there's this:

http://www.nature.org/initiatives/clima ... 23819.html

A new study from The Nature Conservancy and the University of Minnesota finds that many biofuels — seen by many as a potentially low-carbon energy source — actually emit more greenhouse gases than the fossil fuels they aim to replace.

According to the study, co-authored by Joe Fargione, a regional scientist for the Conservancy, “converting rainforests, peatlands, savannas, or grasslands to produce biofuels in Brazil, Southeast Asia, and the United States creates a ‘biofuel carbon debt’ by releasing 17 to 420 times more carbon dioxide than the fossil fuels they replace."




What about an electric car you can charge at night while costs are really low?

And you and I know the movie everyone should rent and pass on to everyone they know!!!

I decided on vacation, while reading, "The Monkey Wrench Gang," I'm going to buy multiple copies of the movie, give them to people and ask them to be sure to tell who ever they give the movie to, to do the same. Some form of education is our only hope. That may be the only single thing the govt may fear or respect; a well informed society.

[Salukulady]

And then there's this:

http://www.nature.org/initiatives/clima ... 23819.html

A new study from The Nature Conservancy and the University of Minnesota finds that many biofuels — seen by many as a potentially low-carbon energy source — actually emit more greenhouse gases than the fossil fuels they aim to replace.

According to the study, co-authored by Joe Fargione, a regional scientist for the Conservancy, “converting rainforests, peatlands, savannas, or grasslands to produce biofuels in Brazil, Southeast Asia, and the United States creates a ‘biofuel carbon debt’ by releasing 17 to 420 times more carbon dioxide than the fossil fuels they replace."




What about an electric car you can charge at night while costs are really low?

And you and I know the movie everyone should rent and pass on to everyone they know!!!

I decided on vacation, while reading, "The Monkey Wrench Gang," I'm going to buy multiple copies of the movie, give them to people and ask them to be sure to tell who ever they give the movie to, to do the same. Some form of education is our only hope. That may be the only single thing the govt may fear or respect; a well informed society.

I did that last Christmas with Inconvenient Truth for both sides of the family and all our close friends. I asked everyone to pass it along after watching it. And you are so correct, a well informed society is our only hope. I was so happy my daughter had a teacher (a parrothead, of course) who showed both films to his classes last year. I will check out The Monkey Wrench Gang, thanks.

[Salukulady]

And then there's this:

http://www.nature.org/initiatives/clima ... 23819.html

A new study from The Nature Conservancy and the University of Minnesota finds that many biofuels — seen by many as a potentially low-carbon energy source — actually emit more greenhouse gases than the fossil fuels they aim to replace.

According to the study, co-authored by Joe Fargione, a regional scientist for the Conservancy, “converting rainforests, peatlands, savannas, or grasslands to produce biofuels in Brazil, Southeast Asia, and the United States creates a ‘biofuel carbon debt’ by releasing 17 to 420 times more carbon dioxide than the fossil fuels they replace."




What about an electric car you can charge at night while costs are really low?

And you and I know the movie everyone should rent and pass on to everyone they know!!!

I decided on vacation, while reading, "The Monkey Wrench Gang," I'm going to buy multiple copies of the movie, give them to people and ask them to be sure to tell who ever they give the movie to, to do the same. Some form of education is our only hope. That may be the only single thing the govt may fear or respect; a well informed society.

I did that last Christmas with Inconvenient Truth for both sides of the family and all our close friends. I asked everyone to pass it along after watching it. And you are so correct, a well informed society is our only hope. I was so happy my daughter had a teacher (a parrothead, of course) who showed both films to his classes last year. I will check out The Monkey Wrench Gang, thanks.

By the way if you can get a hold of The Walmart Movie, that really taught me a lot about big business and how they work.

[Tequila Revenge]

And then there's this:

http://www.nature.org/initiatives/clima ... 23819.html

A new study from The Nature Conservancy and the University of Minnesota finds that many biofuels — seen by many as a potentially low-carbon energy source — actually emit more greenhouse gases than the fossil fuels they aim to replace.

According to the study, co-authored by Joe Fargione, a regional scientist for the Conservancy, “converting rainforests, peatlands, savannas, or grasslands to produce biofuels in Brazil, Southeast Asia, and the United States creates a ‘biofuel carbon debt’ by releasing 17 to 420 times more carbon dioxide than the fossil fuels they replace."




What about an electric car you can charge at night while costs are really low?

And you and I know the movie everyone should rent and pass on to everyone they know!!!

I decided on vacation, while reading, "The Monkey Wrench Gang," I'm going to buy multiple copies of the movie, give them to people and ask them to be sure to tell who ever they give the movie to, to do the same. Some form of education is our only hope. That may be the only single thing the govt may fear or respect; a well informed society.

I did that last Christmas with Inconvenient Truth for both sides of the family and all our close friends. I asked everyone to pass it along after watching it. And you are so correct, a well informed society is our only hope. I was so happy my daughter had a teacher (a parrothead, of course) who showed both films to his classes last year. I will check out The Monkey Wrench Gang, thanks.

TMWG was written by Ed Abbey. One of his most famous books is called, "Desert Solitaire." Ed's hard to put into a box, but I love his writing style and character development. HOWEVER, some women folk don't appreciate the frankness of his writing style between the sexes. That being said, if you can keep the fact it's part of his character, I think you'll enjoy the book. If you like nature writing you might try DS or to get an overall flavor, "The Best of Edward Abbey."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Monkey_Wrench_Gang

http://www.abbeyweb.net/books/ea/monkey_wrench.html

[blackjack]

In the meantime, one of the newest "crimes of opportunity" is folks who drive around town and siphon/pump used fry oil out of the bins in back of restaurants. They take it home and filter/process it for their own cars.

why am I reminded of a Simpson's episode?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lard_of_the_Dance

[Dutch Harbor PH]

or French fry oil??

anyone done the fry oil thing??
or have any friends/family that has?

my Dad is he!! bent on the process..
any info?

Wayne...I run Fish oil in my diesel......for me it's a whole lot simpler than the transglycerification process for vegetage oils.....I started burning fish oil in our main diesel generators at the plant in Dutch almost 20 years ago....once I moved back to Seattle, bought an old mercedes diesel and started my "experiement".....I started by mixing a 10% (b10) mix of diesel oil and fish oil....Iwas painfully accurate in measurein git out and mixing it... I slowly built to a 75% mix and then fianlly stopped with the painful mixing.....(because I got lazy...errrr....welll...just let my nature come out)... anyway started just putting 7 to 10 gallons of fish oil in and driving down to the gas station and topping off with diesel, jumping up and down on the bumper to get a mix going and drivin' off....... engine runs great...no adverse issues as yet.... accelleration is a little slower though it is smoother (lower overall Cetane Number)......AND NO it doesn't smell like fish! it smells like a burger grillin' on an open fire.....Mmmmmmmm......Still get about 25 to 27 MPG (not bad for a 5000lb car with almost 300,000 miles on it...).......Oh and the best thing....I get the fish oil free.......