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LIPH wrote:

parrothead216 wrote:The above thread is proof positive why Hillary should have been the nominee.

Why? Hillary and her supporters like to paint this picture of her as a strong, independent woman. Everything she's ever gotten in her adult life has been because she's married to Bill. If her name was Hillary Smith nobody would care about her.

You mean just like everything that "W" got because his last name is Bush?

SMLCHNG wrote:And lest we ALL forget those in the Senate and House who pass legislation and bills every day that the president basically has nothing to do with.. they are as much, or more, to blame about the state of this country. IMHO, of course.

Lest we ALL forget, The Republicans had control of both the House and the Senate for a good portion of "W" years. They rubber stamped all of his interest!

But I agree with you Penny, that there is enough blame to go around to everyone.

But does it surprise people that oil was 20 a barrel when "W" took office and it is currently over 125 a barrel as of today. Awful lot of those Texas Oil people got paid back, for getting "W" into wht The White House!

I also, bet that "W" is going to leave the The White House a very Rich man.

parrothead216 wrote:

LIPH wrote:

parrothead216 wrote:The above thread is proof positive why Hillary should have been the nominee.

Why? Hillary and her supporters like to paint this picture of her as a strong, independent woman. Everything she's ever gotten in her adult life has been because she's married to Bill. If her name was Hillary Smith nobody would care about her.

You mean just like everything that "W" got because his last name is Bush?

Avoiding the question, I see.

parrothead216 wrote:

SMLCHNG wrote:And lest we ALL forget those in the Senate and House who pass legislation and bills every day that the president basically has nothing to do with.. they are as much, or more, to blame about the state of this country. IMHO, of course.

Lest we ALL forget, The Republicans had control of both the House and the Senate for a good portion of "W" years. They rubber stamped all of his interest!

So the Republicans should get the credit for what good shape the country was in during Bill Clinton's administration. Didn't they control Congress for 6 of his 8 years in office. Or is that an "inconvenient truth", to coin a phrase.

LIPH wrote:

parrothead216 wrote:

SMLCHNG wrote:And lest we ALL forget those in the Senate and House who pass legislation and bills every day that the president basically has nothing to do with.. they are as much, or more, to blame about the state of this country. IMHO, of course.

Lest we ALL forget, The Republicans had control of both the House and the Senate for a good portion of "W" years. They rubber stamped all of his interest!

So the Republicans should get the credit for what good shape the country was in during Bill Clinton's administration. Didn't they control Congress for 6 of his 8 years in office. Or is that an "inconvenient truth", to coin a phrase.

Good point, Larry. All I can say is Jan 20, 2009 will be a day of celebration. As Dylan said " The Times They are a Changin." And the change is not called McCain.

LIPH wrote:

parrothead216 wrote:The above thread is proof positive why Hillary should have been the nominee.

Why? Hillary and her supporters like to paint this picture of her as a strong, independent woman. Everything she's ever gotten in her adult life has been because she's married to Bill. If her name was Hillary Smith nobody would care about her.

Hillary would have been the worst nominee for the democratic party. She is too divisive. Her voters will not switch to McCain because she lost, they will still vote for a Dem. Especially since she and Barak had the same positions on just about every issue. If Hill would have been the nominee
the republicans would have woken up and rallied behind the old guy to defeat her. Obama isn't working up the republicans...yet and I doubt that he does. If I was betting I'd put a couple of bills on Obama.

Here's hoping he doesn't choose Flem Snopes, er, I mean Hillary as his VP!

LIPH wrote:

parrothead216 wrote:

SMLCHNG wrote:And lest we ALL forget those in the Senate and House who pass legislation and bills every day that the president basically has nothing to do with.. they are as much, or more, to blame about the state of this country. IMHO, of course.

Lest we ALL forget, The Republicans had control of both the House and the Senate for a good portion of "W" years. They rubber stamped all of his interest!

So the Republicans should get the credit for what good shape the country was in during Bill Clinton's administration. Didn't they control Congress for 6 of his 8 years in office. Or is that an "inconvenient truth", to coin a phrase.

Not at all Larry, they were too busy trying to get rid of a competent President, to F**K up the country like they have while"W" has been office.

Not an "Inconvienient Truth" at all Larry! "You can't Stand the TRUTH!"

Slick Willy was lucky to be in office and inherit what had been set up for him by previous administrations - all Republicans!

He was not strong on foreign relations and cut our military funding in half! This is how he was able to balance the budget. He also was fortunate to be in office during the whole internet boom. It also helped to have Republicans running the House and Senate.

parrothead216 wrote:

SMLCHNG wrote:And lest we ALL forget those in the Senate and House who pass legislation and bills every day that the president basically has nothing to do with.. they are as much, or more, to blame about the state of this country. IMHO, of course.

Lest we ALL forget, The Republicans had control of both the House and the Senate for a good portion of "W" years. They rubber stamped all of his interest!

But I agree with you Penny, that there is enough blame to go around to everyone.

But does it surprise people that oil was 20 a barrel when "W" took office and it is currently over 125 a barrel as of today. Awful lot of those Texas Oil people got paid back, for getting "W" into wht The White House!

I also, bet that "W" is going to leave the The White House a very Rich man.

So Dubya is to blame for the price of oil? It has nothing to do with supply and demand with India and China coming into the picture? It has nothing to do with the fact that we can't build any refineries on US soil or tap into resources that are available to us on our own soil? Yet, Japan can go a few miles off of the Florida coast and drill and that's ok. We are reliant upon foreign oil because we are forced to be. Until that changes, the prices will not come down, no matter who the President is.

Hey Sam! Oh, that's Feesh I mean

bocanuts wrote:Hey Sam! Oh, that's Feesh I mean

It's not him, Brad.

SMLCHNG wrote:

bocanuts wrote:Hey Sam! Oh, that's Feesh I mean

It's not him, Brad.

God, I hope not! Oh, but wait. Someone else thinks like Sam?

So Dubya is to blame for the price of oil? It has nothing to do with supply and demand with India and China coming into the picture? It has nothing to do with the fact that we can't build any refineries on US soil or tap into resources that are available to us on our own soil? Yet, Japan can go a few miles off of the Florida coast and drill and that's ok. We are reliant upon foreign oil because we are forced to be. Until that changes, the prices will not come down, no matter who the President is.

This whole oil problem can be blamed on everyone, Dems, Reps, Big business, and OURSELVES.. ....Nothing, absolutely nothing, has been done since the oil embargo and shortages in the 70's.

Why didn't we as a country develop alternative fuel ? Why didn't we develop more solar, geo-thermal, wind power alternatives? Why did we kill the electric car? Why did we keep buying bigger, more gas guzzling cars/trucks? Why have we not built a nuclear power plant in over 30 years? Everyone is to blame for where we're at today. (W and his buddies though are making a heck of a lot of money off this.)

Drilling for more oil in this country is like sticking your finger in the leaking dike. The demand for even more oil will still be there. This would only be pushing the inevitible a few (and only a few) years back.

My Momma and Daddy are smart people. They say never discuss politics with your friends. Good call. *quietly closing thread*.


<<----- the usual disclaimer. I don't support any particular candidate.

Feesh wrote:

parrothead216 wrote:

SMLCHNG wrote:And lest we ALL forget those in the Senate and House who pass legislation and bills every day that the president basically has nothing to do with.. they are as much, or more, to blame about the state of this country. IMHO, of course.

Lest we ALL forget, The Republicans had control of both the House and the Senate for a good portion of "W" years. They rubber stamped all of his interest!

But I agree with you Penny, that there is enough blame to go around to everyone.

But does it surprise people that oil was 20 a barrel when "W" took office and it is currently over 125 a barrel as of today. Awful lot of those Texas Oil people got paid back, for getting "W" into wht The White House!

I also, bet that "W" is going to leave the The White House a very Rich man.

So Dubya is to blame for the price of oil? It has nothing to do with supply and demand with India and China coming into the picture? It has nothing to do with the fact that we can't build any refineries on US soil or tap into resources that are available to us on our own soil? Yet, Japan can go a few miles off of the Florida coast and drill and that's ok. We are reliant upon foreign oil because we are forced to be. Until that changes, the prices will not come down, no matter who the President is.

So India and China in just the last 8 years have come into the picture?

What difference would drilling for oil in this country do? The Oil companies would sell it overseas because they could get more money for it there.

It's all about profits , right? They have an obligation to their stockholder, right?


Or the Fact that BIG Business have had THEIR interest in the White House for the last 8 years, and that is what has cause a 600% increase in the cost of oil?

Relaxing of the milage standards by the automobile makers. The fact that they produce more and more gas guzzlers , because SUV are basically raised trucks and they make much more money on those models. Instead of being penalized for making such wasteful vehicles.

All the time, the oil companies have been raking in the dough.

Unfortunately, we have had a President in the White House who has a vested interest in the Oil Companies doing well, just like Vice-President Dick Cheney was Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Halliburton Company from 1995 to 2000 and Halliburton has gotten millions of dollars in NO-Bid contracts with the Defense Department.

Can someone say conflict of interest?!

Things that make you go HMMMMMM!

rumdrinks wrote:

So Dubya is to blame for the price of oil? It has nothing to do with supply and demand with India and China coming into the picture? It has nothing to do with the fact that we can't build any refineries on US soil or tap into resources that are available to us on our own soil? Yet, Japan can go a few miles off of the Florida coast and drill and that's ok. We are reliant upon foreign oil because we are forced to be. Until that changes, the prices will not come down, no matter who the President is.

This whole oil problem can be blamed on everyone, Dems, Reps, Big business, and OURSELVES.. ....Nothing, absolutely nothing, has been done since the oil embargo and shortages in the 70's.

Why didn't we as a country develop alternative fuel ? Why didn't we develop more solar, geo-thermal, wind power alternatives? Why did we kill the electric car? Why did we keep buying bigger, more gas guzzling cars/trucks? Why have we not built a nuclear power plant in over 30 years? Everyone is to blame for where we're at today. (W and his buddies though are making a heck of a lot of money off this.)

Drilling for more oil in this country is like sticking your finger in the leaking dike. The demand for even more oil will still be there. This would only be pushing the inevitible a few (and only a few) years back.

Maybe if we thought and operated more like salesmen, our economy wouldn't be in the situation it's in right now. Hmmm..let's produce goods and sell them to other countries. Wow..what a great concept!

I guess it's ok that other countries can drill right off of our coasts and sell that oil back to us, but we can't do the same. Seems kinda odd to me.

Big business rules the world.

Think about that next time you buy a Margaritaville t-shirt, drink a Landshark, or visit a Margaritaville restaurant.

bocanuts wrote:

SMLCHNG wrote:

bocanuts wrote:Hey Sam! Oh, that's Feesh I mean

It's not him, Brad.

God, I hope not! Oh, but wait. Someone else thinks like Sam?

Good..glad to see there's another wise one on here