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another example of people moving to a country and
making the country adjust to them..

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php? ... geId=71218

Union is bad. And don't EVEN get me started. Grrrr....

I am by no means a "union" person. Hell I'm management so I couldn't be if I wanted to be.

But to those that are getting angry with the union because of the contract change, you do realize that Labor Day became a holiday as a result of the unions thereby making it a union holiday to begin with?

I appreciate what you're saying, Connie, but enough is enough in my opinion.

phjrsaunt wrote:I appreciate what you're saying, Connie, but enough is enough in my opinion.

I not saying I agree with the decision because the holiday is an established holiday.

I'm just pointing out what I feel is potential irony. It simply started out as a union holiday and is now enjoyed by all Americans, union or not, yet I would be willing to bet not everyone celebrating labor day realizes that it was originally a union holiday.

ph4ever wrote:

phjrsaunt wrote:I appreciate what you're saying, Connie, but enough is enough in my opinion.

I not saying I agree with the decision because the holiday is an established holiday.

I'm just pointing out what I feel is potential irony. It simply started out as a union holiday and is now enjoyed by all Americans, union or not, yet I would be willing to bet not everyone celebrating labor day realizes that it was originally a union holiday.

I find that to be a falsehood..











everyone knows it was Al Gores's Idea...

We still got a way to go to catch up ... we still only ever use "Merry Christmas" instead of "Happy holidays" - though that is starting to sneak in

Hey...if someone's gonna start with this, then the Pagans ought to get the Solstices, Equinoxes, and cross-quarter days off too. Fair's fair.

ragtopW wrote:another example of people moving to a country and
making the country adjust to them..

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php? ... geId=71218

I wish it were that simple...next will they try to be closing school for a month during Ramadan?

I find it disgusting, the entire article is appalling.

TropicalTroubador wrote:Hey...if someone's gonna start with this, then the Pagans ought to get the Solstices, Equinoxes, and cross-quarter days off too. Fair's fair.

Don't forget Fat Tuesday and Ash Wednsday...

Hey they started out as Pagan Days...

TropicalTroubador wrote:Hey...if someone's gonna start with this, then the Pagans ought to get the Solstices, Equinoxes, and cross-quarter days off too. Fair's fair.

Aussie Ex pats get Australia Day and Anzac Day ...

the list would be never ending if it started .....

ph4ever wrote:

phjrsaunt wrote:I appreciate what you're saying, Connie, but enough is enough in my opinion.

I not saying I agree with the decision because the holiday is an established holiday.

I'm just pointing out what I feel is potential irony. It simply started out as a union holiday and is now enjoyed by all Americans, union or not, yet I would be willing to bet not everyone celebrating labor day realizes that it was originally a union holiday.

I love irony

phjrsaunt wrote:Union is bad. And don't EVEN get me started. Grrrr....

Companies like Tyson are the reasons there are Unions in the first place. In all fairness Tyson may have changed their ways, but in the past they have not been a good company to work for.

ragtopW wrote:another example of people moving to a country and
making the country adjust to them..

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php? ... geId=71218

If we're going to start doing this, can I request to have all Hindu holidays as paid time off and not get charged a vacation day?

I agree with Wayne-these schlubs should just go the hell home.

"If this holiday is that important to them, make them take it off instead of Christmas Day and allow ALL workers to be off Labor Day. Most AMERICAN families have some type of function on Labor Day," wrote one anonymous participant.

This is the part that I agree with. If 800 Somalians working in a TN chicken plant Tyson want to observe a religious holiday, one outside the mainstream.. fine. trade one for the other, it's not like Christmas is a real big day in Addis Abba. Tho, the company remark about 8 holidays remaining constant means that something had to give, and if you go with Christmas, then you inconvenience the 400 non-Somali (and presumably Christian) workers at the plant. And yes, the irony is rich here. (tho, what other holiday do you swap out... New Years? Memorial Day? the 4th of July? Labour Day. Thanksgiving? Christmas? Still leaves 2. Could swap out Columbus Day or MLK's birthday. Tho the latter would be even richer in irony.) Or, here's an idea.. up it to 9 holidays, and non-Somalis get a day to reflect on their fortune.

I've got to say this even at the risk of pi$$ing off a few people.

I find the attitude of "send these people where they came from" to be very anti-American.

One of the main reasons our forefathers came to the United States was to be able to practice their chosen religion freely.

Our monument, The Lady Liberty, is recognized worldwide as a symbol of freedom. To be free of oppression. That freedom also includes the practice of one's chosen religion.

If these people immigrated to the U.S. legally they have every damn right to practice whatever religion chosen because THAT IS THE BASIS OF OUR COUNTRY'S FOUNDATION!!!!

How can we as United States Citizens deny anyone their chosen religion with good conscience? We might as well pull that bronze plaque off Lady Liberty and knock the old girl down.

[center] Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"[/center]

If they were replacing Christmas with Ramadan, I'd say you have an argument. Replacing a secular American holiday with a Muslim holiday is a case of them forcing their religion on us. Welcome to the new world of political correctness and "celebrating diversity."


And yes, I too saw the irony in the union changing a union holiday!!!!!

ph4ever wrote:I've got to say this even at the risk of pi$$ing off a few people.

I find the attitude of "send these people where they came from" to be very anti-American.

. . .

It is always possible to pi$$ off a few people by calling for this country to live up to the standards of freedom and decency that it loudly proclaims at home and around the world (but frequently doesn't adhere to).

But unless I missed something, I don't even understand why this is an issue. The day off for the Muslim religious holiday was negotiated as part of a union agreement with Tyson management.

It is primarily as members of a union that these Americans of Somali descent secured this particular day off as part of their collective bargaining agreement. They aren't demanding that the wider community or other employers recognize this as a day off.

For that reason, I don't understand why anyone (other than those paranoid, knuckle-dragging, single-digit IQs over at www.stormfront.org) should be upset about it.

Maybe (in spite of the fact that I had a great-grandmother named Maggie who immigrated from Ireland) I don't like the fact that every March 17th is given over (though not as a holiday in this country) to those of Irish descent and their admirers, who wear articles of green clothing, march around in parades blocking traffic, and manage to get some communities to dump green dye into their rivers in honor of the occasion. While not an official holiday, all this is certainly more disruptive to community life than members of a union getting a certain day off. Why couldn't those Irish either keep their religious celebrations to themselves or go home?

flyboy55 wrote:

ph4ever wrote:I've got to say this even at the risk of pi$$ing off a few people.

I find the attitude of "send these people where they came from" to be very anti-American.

. . .

It is always possible to pi$$ off a few people by calling for this country to live up to the standards of freedom and decency that it loudly proclaims at home and around the world (but frequently doesn't adhere to).

But unless I missed something, I don't even understand why this is an issue. The day off for the Muslim religious holiday was negotiated as part of a union agreement with Tyson management.

It is primarily as members of a union that these Americans of Somali descent secured this particular day off as part of their collective bargaining agreement. They aren't demanding that the wider community or other employers recognize this as a day off.

For that reason, I don't understand why anyone (other than those paranoid, knuckle-dragging, single-digit IQs over at www.stormfront.org) should be upset about it.

Maybe (in spite of the fact that I had a great-grandmother named Maggie who immigrated from Ireland) I don't like the fact that every March 17th is given over (though not as a holiday in this country) to those of Irish descent and their admirers, who wear articles of green clothing, march around in parades blocking traffic, and manage to get some communities to dump green dye into their rivers in honor of the occasion. While not an official holiday, all this is certainly more disruptive to community life than members of a union getting a certain day off. Why couldn't those Irish either keep their religious celebrations to themselves or go home?

Thanks to both of you. I wrote 4 responses and deleted them all because I couldn't find the right tone. I agree completely. If the workers requested it then obviously the majority wanted it so what possible difference can it make? And as to "all those people should go home" Well then who gets to decide who stays?? Who's the arbiter of "American" enough to live here?