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Posted: August 5, 2008 2:50 pm
by aeroparrot
If I was able to come to Newport, it would have been for the other artists and seeing friends first before Buffett since I have already seen him and I am going to see him in September.
Posted: August 5, 2008 2:51 pm
by SchoolGirlHeart
Randy1278 wrote:I wrote before about him slapping us in the face by having Nadira sing Music for Money during the tour. I also think it sucks that he uses a telepromter to get through some of the songs.
Slapping us in the face?? That was one of the most high energy numbers of the show in Newport. I see it as him giving his band a chance to shine.
I know I couldn't possibly remember all the lyrics, and I'm 14 years younger than JB. I don't have a problem with the telepromter.....
Posted: August 5, 2008 2:57 pm
by SchoolGirlHeart
changingchannels wrote:the jimmy buffett product is dwindling while the prices are increasing- that for the most part is true in my opinion. what have we gotten? in four years we got license to chill and take the weather with you which are 70 percent cover songs. license to chill was a deliberate market ploy to cash in on the success of jimmys 15 seconds of re-found country fame on a song recorded by alan jackson by calling in the hottest country artists of the month to do a sing-along of covers. although there is some good quality songs on each release, its not a good sign when its obvious that jimmy is just finding the easy way to make albums.think about all the live albums/dvds that have been released in the last 5 years alone. its just all about cash and not substance like it used to be.
Music is a business. A ruthless business. Ask anyone who is in the music business, and they'll tell you the same. So why
wouldn't JB act like a
businessman??
As an aside, if you define a cover as "written by someone else," then ALL of George Strait's songs are covers, and yet most people don't have a problem with that....
It's a business.....
Posted: August 5, 2008 2:57 pm
by RAGTOP
SchoolGirlHeart wrote:Randy1278 wrote:I wrote before about him slapping us in the face by having Nadira sing Music for Money during the tour. I also think it sucks that he uses a telepromter to get through some of the songs.
Slapping us in the face?? That was one of the most high energy numbers of the show in Newport. I see it as him giving his band a chance to shine.
I know I couldn't possibly remember all the lyrics, and I'm 14 years younger than JB. I don't have a problem with the telepromter.....
Agreed. At this point I would rather pay $150 to see Nadirah sing than JB and trust me if he didn't use the telepromter his shows would be a compete train wreck (as if they are not already). I now look more forward to the Mac show the night before then the main event
Posted: August 5, 2008 3:01 pm
by moog
Let's face it. A new generation of GOPS is forming.
Posted: August 5, 2008 3:04 pm
by RAGTOP
Music is a business. A ruthless business. Ask anyone who is in the music business, and they'll tell you the same. So why wouldn't JB act like a businessman??
Because he no longer acts like a musician, and that's what he does best or at least use to
Posted: August 5, 2008 3:04 pm
by changingchannels
Music is a business. A ruthless business. Ask anyone who is in the music business, and they'll tell you the same. So why wouldn't JB act like a businessman??
As an aside, if you define a cover as "written by someone else," then ALL of George Strait's songs are covers, and yet most people don't have a problem with that....
It's a business.....[/quote]
sure music is a business but it shouldnt be used as a tool to bleed your loyal fans especially when you are quoted as saying one thing and then turn around and do the total opposite.it can be used to give back and not always at a price. businesses can give back and i know jimmy has, i just dont agree with some of business practices.
Posted: August 5, 2008 3:06 pm
by changingchannels
i just tend to respect people who are musicians first and businessman second. jimmy used to be that, now he isnt.
Posted: August 5, 2008 3:10 pm
by LIPH
And as much as we b**** and moan, he's become what he's become because he has so many enablers. Us.
Posted: August 5, 2008 3:13 pm
by SchoolGirlHeart
changingchannels wrote:sure music is a business but it shouldnt be used as a tool to bleed your loyal fans especially when you are quoted as saying one thing and then turn around and do the total opposite.it can be used to give back and not always at a price. businesses can give back and i know jimmy has, i just dont agree with some of business practices.
as far as the quote and then the resulting setlist, i'm willing to consider that there are a lot of things that could have happened after he gave that interview that somehow kept him from following through.... and we'll never really know the answer to that one.....
At the end of the day, we can always vote with our wallets.... y'all have seen me say so a lot: I don't buy some of his products because I don't like them. I do buy other products because I like them and get value for my money. I still go to shows because I think I get my money's worth.
Posted: August 5, 2008 3:14 pm
by RAGTOP
LIPH wrote:And as much as we b**** and moan, he's become what he's become because he has so many enablers. Us.
time to stage an intervention!
Posted: August 5, 2008 3:14 pm
by ccmatt
My wife now openly hates Jimmy. She still likes alot of the music but hates what he now seems to represent. Now I always say nothing surprises me, but I was surprised about what he did at Newport. I'm now glad I didn't go. Although like many others I would not have gone just for him, but all the great acts that were there.
Posted: August 5, 2008 3:18 pm
by ph4ever
SchoolGirlHeart wrote:Randy1278 wrote:I wrote before about him slapping us in the face by having Nadira sing Music for Money during the tour. I also think it sucks that he uses a telepromter to get through some of the songs.
Slapping us in the face?? That was one of the most high energy numbers of the show in Newport. I see it as him giving his band a chance to shine.
I know I couldn't possibly remember all the lyrics, and I'm 14 years younger than JB. I don't have a problem with the telepromter.....
IMHO some people are getting nit-picky
Posted: August 5, 2008 3:19 pm
by Tiki Bar
LIPH wrote:And as much as we b**** and moan, he's become what he's become because he has so many enablers. Us.
Larry, do you still agree with this (an example of a common sentiment from you in the past), or have you changed your mind?
LIPH 1/30/07 wrote:Tiki Torches wrote:LIPH wrote:Do artists "make an effort to keep ticket prices down" or do they keep them down because they know they can't sell them at a higher price?
You'd have to ask the specific artists that but I'm aware of performers capable of selling out stadiums that chose to keep ticket prices down when they could very well raise the prices through the roof. The fact that they don't choose the latter route shows they have their fans' interest at heart. With all of the money Buffett has made he could very well join them in that effort. That he doesn't is a sign of overwhelming greed.
Have you asked those artists personally why they charge what they do for tickets? Do you know for a fact they keep their ticket prices low for the sake of the fans? Or is this another example of your opinion? Whether you want to admit it or not, music is a business. The goal of any business is, or should be, to maximize revenue. A businessman who doesn't do that is a fool.
Posted: August 5, 2008 3:19 pm
by changingchannels
and i still go the shows because i feel like i get my moneys worth.although not as much as i would say i did 2 years ago. i thought this tour was going to be more about the legacy of jimmy buffetts music then its turned out to be. i learned last year that i wont go to as many shows because its become more of a predictable gig.
Posted: August 5, 2008 3:19 pm
by ph4ever
changingchannels wrote:Music is a business. A ruthless business. Ask anyone who is in the music business, and they'll tell you the same. So why wouldn't JB act like a businessman??
As an aside, if you define a cover as "written by someone else," then ALL of George Strait's songs are covers, and yet most people don't have a problem with that....
It's a business.....
sure music is a business but it shouldnt be used as a tool to bleed your loyal fans especially when you are quoted as saying one thing and then turn around and do the total opposite.it can be used to give back and not always at a price. businesses can give back and i know jimmy has, i just dont agree with some of business practices.[/quote]
It's not as if this has NEVER happened before.
Posted: August 5, 2008 3:19 pm
by LIPH
ph4ever wrote:SchoolGirlHeart wrote:Randy1278 wrote:I wrote before about him slapping us in the face by having Nadira sing Music for Money during the tour. I also think it sucks that he uses a telepromter to get through some of the songs.
Slapping us in the face?? That was one of the most high energy numbers of the show in Newport. I see it as him giving his band a chance to shine.
I know I couldn't possibly remember all the lyrics, and I'm 14 years younger than JB. I don't have a problem with the telepromter.....
IMHO some people are getting nit-picky
Some of us like to pick nits.
Posted: August 5, 2008 3:20 pm
by ph4ever
LIPH wrote:ph4ever wrote:SchoolGirlHeart wrote:Randy1278 wrote:I wrote before about him slapping us in the face by having Nadira sing Music for Money during the tour. I also think it sucks that he uses a telepromter to get through some of the songs.
Slapping us in the face?? That was one of the most high energy numbers of the show in Newport. I see it as him giving his band a chance to shine.
I know I couldn't possibly remember all the lyrics, and I'm 14 years younger than JB. I don't have a problem with the telepromter.....
IMHO some people are getting nit-picky
Some of us like to pick nits.
just as long as we don't eat them
Posted: August 5, 2008 3:21 pm
by changingchannels
ph4ever wrote:changingchannels wrote:Music is a business. A ruthless business. Ask anyone who is in the music business, and they'll tell you the same. So why wouldn't JB act like a businessman??
As an aside, if you define a cover as "written by someone else," then ALL of George Strait's songs are covers, and yet most people don't have a problem with that....
It's a business.....
sure music is a business but it shouldnt be used as a tool to bleed your loyal fans especially when you are quoted as saying one thing and then turn around and do the total opposite.it can be used to give back and not always at a price. businesses can give back and i know jimmy has, i just dont agree with some of business practices.
It's not as if this has NEVER happened before.[/quote]
that doesnt make it right.
Posted: August 5, 2008 3:21 pm
by flipflopgirl
SchoolGirlHeart wrote:
At the end of the day, we can always vote with our wallets
That's the bottom line....if it really bothers people that much then don't buy the products or tickets to the shows...it is your hard earned money and you should not be unhappy when you spend it.
i said earlier in the thread for me the setlist was a disappointment and i drank wine not landshark because i don't like it. I had an awesome weekend in a wonderful town with great people. I got to see JAKE solo which is always a plus and to see a concert at a venue on the water where i love to be! The setting and the friends are what do it more for me these days most of the time.