ph4ever wrote:You were blaiming the 14 year old kid. And just an FYI - any number of us could have a blood born pathogen and not even freaking know about it. As far as the running - HE DID THE RIGHT THING except for the fact he did not run and HIDE and not call 911. How in the hell can you expect all 14 year old kids to have the maturity to "protect" someone while a gun toteing kid is going around shooting. How was that 14 year old kid to know that the gunkid was going to stop with just one?
For that matter- how the hell do you know how you would act in that situation unless you've had a gun pulled on you? IMHO any harshness towards any of the kids that witnessed this and ran is totally uncalled for.
Remind me to never be near you, or your children, when the s*** hits the fan. Apparently you believe that there is no higher purpose in life than self preservation. I have been in situations were weapons have been drawn. Have you? We are all responsible for the choices we make. It is those choices that define and make up our character. The kid ran when another kid was dying. Those are the actions of a 14 year old who is old enough to know better. Those are the actions of a kid whose parents failed to teach him about the importance and preciousness of life.
I can't imagine what a 14 year old would do---and I hope another one never has to find out.
ph4ever wrote:You were blaiming the 14 year old kid. And just an FYI - any number of us could have a blood born pathogen and not even freaking know about it. As far as the running - HE DID THE RIGHT THING except for the fact he did not run and HIDE and not call 911. How in the hell can you expect all 14 year old kids to have the maturity to "protect" someone while a gun toteing kid is going around shooting. How was that 14 year old kid to know that the gunkid was going to stop with just one?
For that matter- how the hell do you know how you would act in that situation unless you've had a gun pulled on you? IMHO any harshness towards any of the kids that witnessed this and ran is totally uncalled for.
Remind me to never be near you, or your children, when the s*** hits the fan. Apparently you believe that there is no higher purpose in life than self preservation. I have been in situations were weapons have been drawn. Have you? We are all responsible for the choices we make. It is those choices that define and make up our character. The kid ran when another kid was dying. Those are the actions of a 14 year old who is old enough to know better. Those are the actions of a kid whose parents failed to teach him about the importance and preciousness of life.
Bite me green boy. You don't know me at all - and hell yes I've had a gun pulled on me. Those that know me know that I'd take a bullet for a friend and KILL FOR MY KID. The big difference between me and you is that you're narrow minded and can only see in the narrow confines of your obvious ego intensified machoism while I can understand that THERE WERE FREAKING KIDS INVOLVED.
I'd hate to be your spawn with your bubba my kids better kick ass and get killed mentality.
Well...(said in my best Bubba voice) I've been on sabbatical.
AlbatrossFlyer wrote:nobody's brought up he/she called mommy instead of 911....
green1 wrote:What is wrong with kids these days? One kid 10 feet away heard what happened, realized it was real and then ran away to call his mom. No thought to try and help the kid who was juts shot. Unreal.
Well...(said in my best Bubba voice) I've been on sabbatical.
ph4ever wrote:You were blaiming the 14 year old kid. And just an FYI - any number of us could have a blood born pathogen and not even freaking know about it. As far as the running - HE DID THE RIGHT THING except for the fact he did not run and HIDE and not call 911. How in the hell can you expect all 14 year old kids to have the maturity to "protect" someone while a gun toteing kid is going around shooting. How was that 14 year old kid to know that the gunkid was going to stop with just one?
For that matter- how the hell do you know how you would act in that situation unless you've had a gun pulled on you? IMHO any harshness towards any of the kids that witnessed this and ran is totally uncalled for.
Remind me to never be near you, or your children, when the s*** hits the fan. Apparently you believe that there is no higher purpose in life than self preservation. I have been in situations were weapons have been drawn. Have you? We are all responsible for the choices we make. It is those choices that define and make up our character. The kid ran when another kid was dying. Those are the actions of a 14 year old who is old enough to know better. Those are the actions of a kid whose parents failed to teach him about the importance and preciousness of life.
Umm, your anger is completely directed at the wrong kid.
ph4ever wrote:You were blaiming the 14 year old kid. And just an FYI - any number of us could have a blood born pathogen and not even freaking know about it. As far as the running - HE DID THE RIGHT THING except for the fact he did not run and HIDE and not call 911. How in the hell can you expect all 14 year old kids to have the maturity to "protect" someone while a gun toteing kid is going around shooting. How was that 14 year old kid to know that the gunkid was going to stop with just one?
For that matter- how the hell do you know how you would act in that situation unless you've had a gun pulled on you? IMHO any harshness towards any of the kids that witnessed this and ran is totally uncalled for.
Remind me to never be near you, or your children, when the s*** hits the fan. Apparently you believe that there is no higher purpose in life than self preservation. I have been in situations were weapons have been drawn. Have you? We are all responsible for the choices we make. It is those choices that define and make up our character. The kid ran when another kid was dying. Those are the actions of a 14 year old who is old enough to know better. Those are the actions of a kid whose parents failed to teach him about the importance and preciousness of life.
Huh? We're supposed to teach our unarmed 14-yr.-olds how to disable others that have weapons? If that's even possible? Becoming another victim doesn't make you a hero. Nobody yet know the circumstances, I won't judge those that were there.
ph4ever wrote:Bite me green boy. You don't know me at all - and hell yes I've had a gun pulled on me. Those that know me know that I'd take a bullet for a friend and KILL FOR MY KID. The big difference between me and you is that you're narrow minded and can only see in the narrow confines of your obvious ego intensified machoism while I can understand that THERE WERE FREAKING KIDS INVOLVED.
I'd hate to be your spawn with your bubba my kids better kick ass and get killed mentality.
Nor do you know me. Yet you spout the above. Rather revealing about you actually. And I never said the kid should have kicked the shooters ass. I said he should have helped the kid dying.
Perhaps I can be like you and poke fun of your screen name PinHead 4 ever.
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ph4ever wrote:You were blaiming the 14 year old kid. And just an FYI - any number of us could have a blood born pathogen and not even freaking know about it. As far as the running - HE DID THE RIGHT THING except for the fact he did not run and HIDE and not call 911. How in the hell can you expect all 14 year old kids to have the maturity to "protect" someone while a gun toteing kid is going around shooting. How was that 14 year old kid to know that the gunkid was going to stop with just one?
For that matter- how the hell do you know how you would act in that situation unless you've had a gun pulled on you? IMHO any harshness towards any of the kids that witnessed this and ran is totally uncalled for.
Remind me to never be near you, or your children, when the s*** hits the fan. Apparently you believe that there is no higher purpose in life than self preservation. I have been in situations were weapons have been drawn. Have you? We are all responsible for the choices we make. It is those choices that define and make up our character. The kid ran when another kid was dying. Those are the actions of a 14 year old who is old enough to know better. Those are the actions of a kid whose parents failed to teach him about the importance and preciousness of life.
Huh? We're supposed to teach our unarmed 14-yr.-olds how to disable others that have weapons? If that's even possible? Becoming another victim doesn't make you a hero. Nobody yet know the circumstances, I won't judge those that were there.
I never said he should have taken on the shooter. I said he should have helped the kid dying. Is reading comprehension a thing of the past?
ph4ever wrote:You were blaiming the 14 year old kid. And just an FYI - any number of us could have a blood born pathogen and not even freaking know about it. As far as the running - HE DID THE RIGHT THING except for the fact he did not run and HIDE and not call 911. How in the hell can you expect all 14 year old kids to have the maturity to "protect" someone while a gun toteing kid is going around shooting. How was that 14 year old kid to know that the gunkid was going to stop with just one?
For that matter- how the hell do you know how you would act in that situation unless you've had a gun pulled on you? IMHO any harshness towards any of the kids that witnessed this and ran is totally uncalled for.
Remind me to never be near you, or your children, when the s*** hits the fan. Apparently you believe that there is no higher purpose in life than self preservation. I have been in situations were weapons have been drawn. Have you? We are all responsible for the choices we make. It is those choices that define and make up our character. The kid ran when another kid was dying. Those are the actions of a 14 year old who is old enough to know better. Those are the actions of a kid whose parents failed to teach him about the importance and preciousness of life.
Umm, your anger is completely directed at the wrong kid.
It's not anger. It is sadness that a kid who needed help literally fell into this other kid and instead of helping he ran away. The shooter, and whoever allowed the shooter to have a gun need to be locked up for the rest of their lives. Regardless of age.
ph4ever wrote:Bite me green boy. You don't know me at all - and hell yes I've had a gun pulled on me. Those that know me know that I'd take a bullet for a friend and KILL FOR MY KID. The big difference between me and you is that you're narrow minded and can only see in the narrow confines of your obvious ego intensified machoism while I can understand that THERE WERE FREAKING KIDS INVOLVED.
I'd hate to be your spawn with your bubba my kids better kick ass and get killed mentality.
Nor do you know me. Yet you spout the above. Rather revealing about you actually. And I never said the kid should have kicked the shooters ass. I said he should have helped the kid dying.
and how in the hell by sticking around would that have solved a thing? I'm really sure a 14 year old kid had the mental capacity to give CPR in that situation. Had he stayed there could have been 2 bodies for the corner to pick up and 2 sets of parents morninig. He did the best thing by assuring his safety - he messed up by not immediately calling 911 and that was IT and obviously by others reactions they agree with me and not you. Maybe it's you that needs to rethink and not everyone else. mmmmkay?
Well...(said in my best Bubba voice) I've been on sabbatical.
ph4ever wrote:Bite me green boy. You don't know me at all - and hell yes I've had a gun pulled on me. Those that know me know that I'd take a bullet for a friend and KILL FOR MY KID. The big difference between me and you is that you're narrow minded and can only see in the narrow confines of your obvious ego intensified machoism while I can understand that THERE WERE FREAKING KIDS INVOLVED.
I'd hate to be your spawn with your bubba my kids better kick ass and get killed mentality.
Nor do you know me. Yet you spout the above. Rather revealing about you actually. And I never said the kid should have kicked the shooters ass. I said he should have helped the kid dying.
Perhaps I can be like you and poke fun of your screen name PinHead 4 ever.
hey if you can't think of an insult the first time around and then one pops into your head do us all a favor - forget it , you're too slow
Well...(said in my best Bubba voice) I've been on sabbatical.
ph4ever wrote:Bite me green boy. You don't know me at all - and hell yes I've had a gun pulled on me. Those that know me know that I'd take a bullet for a friend and KILL FOR MY KID. The big difference between me and you is that you're narrow minded and can only see in the narrow confines of your obvious ego intensified machoism while I can understand that THERE WERE FREAKING KIDS INVOLVED.
I'd hate to be your spawn with your bubba my kids better kick ass and get killed mentality.
Nor do you know me. Yet you spout the above. Rather revealing about you actually. And I never said the kid should have kicked the shooters ass. I said he should have helped the kid dying.
and how in the hell by sticking around would that have solved a thing? I'm really sure a 14 year old kid had the mental capacity to give CPR in that situation. Had he stayed there could have been 2 bodies for the corner to pick up and 2 sets of parents morninig. He did the best thing by assuring his safety - he messed up by not immediately calling 911 and that was IT and obviously by others reactions they agree with me and not you. Maybe it's you that needs to rethink and not everyone else. mmmmkay?
OK PinHead.
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I think it is a well known fact that we are all different.
It is also a well known fact that as a result of that - we all react differently to situations. Does that make them a bad person - no - it is who they are. You cannot make people in to something they are not.
A 14yo kid would be just reacting on instinct. I am sure we have all reacted on instinct in the past - some good - some bad.
I think having a go at this kid is a bit harsh - KID being the operative word here.
I would like to hear a rational explanation from those who are bashing this 14-year old as to exactly what he should have done in this situation. Are you expecting him to remain in the vicinity of a whack job with a loaded weapon who has already shown he's willing to use it? Somehow administer first aid to a gunshot victim (assuming he has training in emergency medicine)?
It seems to me the rational response was to get the hell out of the line of fire and wait for (armed) reinforcements. And yeah, he could've called 911 but most kids in a crisis situation are probably more inclined to call mom or dad. But what do I know ..... I'm just sitting behind a computer screen and nobody's pointing a gun at me.
alphabits wrote:I would like to hear a rational explanation from those who are bashing this 14-year old as to exactly what he should have done in this situation. Are you expecting him to remain in the vicinity of a whack job with a loaded weapon who has already shown he's willing to use it? Somehow administer first aid to a gunshot victim (assuming he has training in emergency medicine)?
It seems to me the rational response was to get the hell out of the line of fire and wait for (armed) reinforcements. And yeah, he could've called 911 but most kids in a crisis situation are probably more inclined to call mom or dad. But what do I know ..... I'm just sitting behind a computer screen and nobody's pointing a gun at me.
what would they expect their child to do in the same situation?
Well...(said in my best Bubba voice) I've been on sabbatical.
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