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LIPH wrote:If McCain had chosen a man as his running mate and that man had the same family issues as Gov. Palin, would we even be talking about it? So much for breaking the glass ceiling.
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LIPH wrote:If McCain had chosen a man as his running mate and that man had the same family issues as Gov. Palin, would we even be talking about it? So much for breaking the glass ceiling.
Exactly. My husband said the same thing. ;)
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LIPH wrote:If McCain had chosen a man as his running mate and that man had the same family issues as Gov. Palin, would we even be talking about it? So much for breaking the glass ceiling.
If McCains running mate was a man with the same issues we would be talking about what a horrible job his wife did raising the children. :)
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I read today that he still wanted Lieberman or Tom Ridge, but the consequences at the convention would have been messy. Such as a big floor fight etc.
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Ridge would have been an ok pick. Probably would have won him PA. The conservative base may have been annoyed but would have accepted Ridge eventually. Lieberman would have been a suicide pick. Wouldn't get him any Dems and the Reps would have abandoned him. With Lieberman there probably would have been a legitimate third party Conservative candidate running.
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diverg wrote:The campaign has said she has been vetted from the very beggining and was a front runner from the beginnning. Choosing Lieberman would have cost him the election for sure. Now the conservative base is energised to actually work for him.
The vetting comment is sounding untrue. It was reported this morning that She was in Arizona recently for the first time do discuss. The same day the vetting team arrived in Alaska. I don't think this was McCain's idea at all. The pick really screws with the Dem strategists. I don't think it is the best person to step in if McCain can not serve.
I agree. They just put 10 people on a plane up there yesterday to do more digging ... IF they had vetted her and had known all of this, they would have put it out there first ... made the preemptive strike.

The Washington Post has a story about the pork her city got when she was mayor -- hired a big-time lobbyist to get millions -- McCain is running hard AGAINST pork (earmarks). There is something wrong with this picture. The pieces just do not fit.
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Skibo wrote:
LIPH wrote:If McCain had chosen a man as his running mate and that man had the same family issues as Gov. Palin, would we even be talking about it? So much for breaking the glass ceiling.
If McCains running mate was a man with the same issues we would be talking about what a horrible job his wife did raising the children. :)
I'd probably say "he" was an absent father which is why his pregnant teenage daughter has daddy issues. :lol:

The more I thought about it this weekend, if I had an opportunity of a lifetime (like running for VP), I'd probably ask my family to pull out all the stops and help me achieve that dream, so regardless of her family dynamics, as long as they are there to support her now through this journey now, those issues/problems/challenges matter very little to me.

Now, whether I think she is ready to be the VP of our country and possibly the president one day, not a chance in the world. I agree with practically nothing in terms of her politics, and that is why I don't care for her. She could be an old white dude for all I care. In fact, if she was an old white dude he'd probably be just as lousy a father and husband. I don't think most of our political leaders do have strong family relationships because whether you are black or white or a shaker or a wiper, it is incredibly hard to be excellent at both leading constituents and leading your family.
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buffettbride wrote:
Skibo wrote:
LIPH wrote:If McCain had chosen a man as his running mate and that man had the same family issues as Gov. Palin, would we even be talking about it? So much for breaking the glass ceiling.
If McCains running mate was a man with the same issues we would be talking about what a horrible job his wife did raising the children. :)
I'd probably say "he" was an absent father which is why his pregnant teenage daughter has daddy issues. :lol:

The more I thought about it this weekend, if I had an opportunity of a lifetime (like running for VP), I'd probably ask my family to pull out all the stops and help me achieve that dream, so regardless of her family dynamics, as long as they are there to support her now through this journey now, those issues/problems/challenges matter very little to me.

Now, whether I think she is ready to be the VP of our country and possibly the president one day, not a chance in the world. I agree with practically nothing in terms of her politics, and that is why I don't care for her. She could be an old white dude for all I care. In fact, if she was an old white dude he'd probably be just as lousy a father and husband. I don't think most of our political leaders do have strong family relationships because whether you are black or white or a shaker or a wiper, it is incredibly hard to be excellent at both leading constituents and leading your family.
Do you think Obama is ready to be President, and if you do what in his resume makes you think so?
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East Texas Parrothead wrote:
Skibo wrote:
diverg wrote:The campaign has said she has been vetted from the very beggining and was a front runner from the beginnning. Choosing Lieberman would have cost him the election for sure. Now the conservative base is energised to actually work for him.
The vetting comment is sounding untrue. It was reported this morning that She was in Arizona recently for the first time do discuss. The same day the vetting team arrived in Alaska. I don't think this was McCain's idea at all. The pick really screws with the Dem strategists. I don't think it is the best person to step in if McCain can not serve.
I agree. They just put 10 people on a plane up there yesterday to do more digging ... IF they had vetted her and had known all of this, they would have put it out there first ... made the preemptive strike.

The Washington Post has a story about the pork her city got when she was mayor -- hired a big-time lobbyist to get millions -- McCain is running hard AGAINST pork (earmarks). There is something wrong with this picture. The pieces just do not fit.
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Nobody thinks Obama is ready to be president. They just want change. 20 of the last 28 years have had republican presidents and I think things are going pretty well. Nobody has been able to tell me how Obama is qualified. He sure can talk and promise lots of things that will never come true.

As far as Palin goes the press cares about her family because it sells paper but why do people spend time talking about it . . . just like Obama giving Reverend Wright tens of thousands of dollars over the years . . . it just doesn't matter.
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diverg wrote:
buffettbride wrote:
Skibo wrote:
LIPH wrote:If McCain had chosen a man as his running mate and that man had the same family issues as Gov. Palin, would we even be talking about it? So much for breaking the glass ceiling.
If McCains running mate was a man with the same issues we would be talking about what a horrible job his wife did raising the children. :)
I'd probably say "he" was an absent father which is why his pregnant teenage daughter has daddy issues. :lol:

The more I thought about it this weekend, if I had an opportunity of a lifetime (like running for VP), I'd probably ask my family to pull out all the stops and help me achieve that dream, so regardless of her family dynamics, as long as they are there to support her now through this journey now, those issues/problems/challenges matter very little to me.

Now, whether I think she is ready to be the VP of our country and possibly the president one day, not a chance in the world. I agree with practically nothing in terms of her politics, and that is why I don't care for her. She could be an old white dude for all I care. In fact, if she was an old white dude he'd probably be just as lousy a father and husband. I don't think most of our political leaders do have strong family relationships because whether you are black or white or a shaker or a wiper, it is incredibly hard to be excellent at both leading constituents and leading your family.
Do you think Obama is ready to be President, and if you do what in his resume makes you think so?
Let's start with education. Obama has a BA in political science and international relations from Columbia and Harvard credentials to teach law. Palin has a BS in journalism with a minor in political science from the University of Idaho.

Aside from thinking someone is ready (I happen to think Obama's credentials make him far more ready than Palin), his issues are far more inline with my beliefs than Palin's (who are way, way, way, way off kilter from mine). A pro-life, anti-gay rights person is not who I want next in line for the presidency.
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Martonian wrote:
East Texas Parrothead wrote:
Skibo wrote:
diverg wrote:The campaign has said she has been vetted from the very beggining and was a front runner from the beginnning. Choosing Lieberman would have cost him the election for sure. Now the conservative base is energised to actually work for him.
The vetting comment is sounding untrue. It was reported this morning that She was in Arizona recently for the first time do discuss. The same day the vetting team arrived in Alaska. I don't think this was McCain's idea at all. The pick really screws with the Dem strategists. I don't think it is the best person to step in if McCain can not serve.
I agree. They just put 10 people on a plane up there yesterday to do more digging ... IF they had vetted her and had known all of this, they would have put it out there first ... made the preemptive strike.

The Washington Post has a story about the pork her city got when she was mayor -- hired a big-time lobbyist to get millions -- McCain is running hard AGAINST pork (earmarks). There is something wrong with this picture. The pieces just do not fit.
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Yep. The Post is also running a story about how she was a member of the Alaska Independence Party as late as 1994 ... one of their platforms is possible secession ... Country first? The pieces just don't fit.

Then, there's the $400,000 of state money she spent fighting a ban on hunting wolves from airplanes ... whole other can of worms.

They just didn't vet her like they needed to for someone who's going to be one heartbeat away from the presidency ...
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drunkpirate66 wrote:Nobody thinks Obama is ready to be president.
That's hardly true at all. I think he's as ready as anyone could be. No less ready than McCain. Hell, McCain would be a change (a better change) from what we have now. I know if Lieberman was on his ticket, it might even make me think twice about voting for Obama.

No matter who the VP pick was for McCain, the dirt had to come up about whomever it was. It just so happens that no one really knew about Palin, so the dirt seems fresh. Biden has dirt, but his dirty laundry was aired long ago, so it's not fresh and newsworthy.

I think it was Cokie Roberts (although an NPR personality, has been a bit critical of Obama) last night who said it doesn't matter what we're saying about Sarah Polin this week, it matters what we're saying about Sarah Polin next week. Her personal life aside, she has the chance to prove herself or shoot herself (and McCain in the foot).
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drunkpirate66 wrote:Nobody thinks Obama is ready to be president. They just want change. 20 of the last 28 years have had republican presidents and I think things are going pretty well. Nobody has been able to tell me how Obama is qualified. He sure can talk and promise lots of things that will never come true.

As far as Palin goes the press cares about her family because it sells paper but why do people spend time talking about it . . . just like Obama giving Reverend Wright tens of thousands of dollars over the years . . . it just doesn't matter.
What is the standard for being President? What makes one qualified to be president? Do you have to have executive experience to be president? John McCain doesn't have executive experience (meaning running budgets, etc., being a military officer isn't executive experience). George W. Bush had executive experience and look what that got us. Do you have to have military experience? Bill Clinton didn't have military experience and his presidency is still viewed favorably by a majority of Americans.

So I don't think it's about experience but about your judgment. Now you probably think that Obama's judgment has been poor, I think that he's shown good judgment. And I think McCain has shown poor judgment.

And you say that Obama makes a lot of promises but can't deliver them... remember that if Obama is elected he will have a substantial majority in both the House and the Senate, which will make it much easier to pass his plans for America.
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Martonian wrote:
What is the standard for being President? What makes one qualified to be president? Do you have to have executive experience to be president? John McCain doesn't have executive experience (meaning running budgets, etc., being a military officer isn't executive experience). George W. Bush had executive experience and look what that got us. Do you have to have military experience? Bill Clinton didn't have military experience and his presidency is still viewed favorably by a majority of Americans.

So I don't think it's about experience but about your judgment. Now you probably think that Obama's judgment has been poor, I think that he's shown good judgment. And I think McCain has shown poor judgment.

And you say that Obama makes a lot of promises but can't deliver them... remember that if Obama is elected he will have a substantial majority in both the House and the Senate, which will make it much easier to pass his plans for America.
I'm a big proponent of executive experience. An ex-governor is my first choice every time. Clinton had that. I'm not big on the military experience thing. The pentagon is full of military experts. As far as judgement, both have made big judgment errors. Both have flipped on positions to appeal to a larger majority. Both are politicians. In my eyes neither is qualified. The only reason to not vote for Obama is with the majority in the house and senate that his promises do have a chance of passing. Of course if you want a larger deficit higher taxes and an even larger federal government then you should vote for Obama.
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Martonian wrote:Do you have to have military experience?
Good point. The Democrats thought it was important to have military experience 4 years ago when Kerry ran against Bush. I don't recall hearing any Democrats talking about the importance of military experience this year. I wonder why.
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LIPH wrote:
Martonian wrote:Do you have to have military experience?
Good point. The Democrats thought it was important to have military experience 4 years ago when Kerry ran against Bush. I don't recall hearing any Democrats talking about the importance of military experience this year. I wonder why.
I supported Kerry because of other reasons, not his military experience. The democrats and Kerry thought it was a strong suit so they pushed it, just like McCain is doing with his military service and POW time now. John McCain himself said in 2004 that just because you have military experience doesn't mean that you're qualified to be president.
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Martonian wrote:
LIPH wrote:
Martonian wrote:Do you have to have military experience?
Good point. The Democrats thought it was important to have military experience 4 years ago when Kerry ran against Bush. I don't recall hearing any Democrats talking about the importance of military experience this year. I wonder why.
I supported Kerry because of other reasons, not his military experience. The democrats and Kerry thought it was a strong suit so they pushed it, just like McCain is doing with his military service and POW time now. John McCain himself said in 2004 that just because you have military experience doesn't mean that you're qualified to be president.
I thought Kerry was a knob. I was in the boat Larry is in this year--wondering how on earth Kerry was the best we could come up with. :lol:

I'm wondering now if Hillary had made the push in 04 to beat Bush if she would have been successful (not that I'm a fan of Hillary, I'm just sayin').
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buffettbride wrote:
Martonian wrote:
LIPH wrote:
Martonian wrote:Do you have to have military experience?
Good point. The Democrats thought it was important to have military experience 4 years ago when Kerry ran against Bush. I don't recall hearing any Democrats talking about the importance of military experience this year. I wonder why.
I supported Kerry because of other reasons, not his military experience. The democrats and Kerry thought it was a strong suit so they pushed it, just like McCain is doing with his military service and POW time now. John McCain himself said in 2004 that just because you have military experience doesn't mean that you're qualified to be president.
I thought Kerry was a knob. I was in the boat Larry is in this year--wondering how on earth Kerry was the best we could come up with. :lol:

I'm wondering now if Hillary had made the push in 04 to beat Bush if she would have been successful (not that I'm a fan of Hillary, I'm just sayin').
I wasn't excited about Kerry then either, but thought that Bush was a disaster.
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Martonian wrote: I wasn't excited about Kerry then either, but thought that Bush was a disaster.
Oh totally. :lol:
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