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Tequila Revenge wrote:

Martonian wrote:

Tequila Revenge wrote: Just currious when the President started to vote

The 95% is based off a study done by Congressional Quarterly where they compare McCain's votes with the positions of the President. Because like you said, the President doesn't vote.

GEEEEEEEEZZZZEEEEEEE!!!

That could confuse some of the voting public I bet there are some people repeating that "fact" in every bar in America.

A friend of mine stated sending Obama $50 a month to keep Hillary out of the White House. He joined the Obama movement, complete with e-mail up dates. After Sarah's speech last night he said that the Obama campaign sent him about 7 e-mails TODAY telling his to stay strong and keep the course

That is the problem. Democracy requires an educated electorate. Unfortunately, I believe we have failed Jefferson on this matter.

Martonian wrote:

rednekkPH wrote:I've been giving this some thought...

There are no other buildings within 3/4 mile from my house. I have no neighbors. This means I am my own community. Last night, I mowed my grass, picked up the yard, and generally tidied up the place. This means I am now a community organizer. Maybe I should run for president.

Sorry, one house, one family, not a community. If you mowed your neighbor's yard and tidied up their place then you could be a community organizer.

I dont have neighbors. I feed the deer, does that count?

rednekkPH wrote:

Martonian wrote:

rednekkPH wrote:I've been giving this some thought...

There are no other buildings within 3/4 mile from my house. I have no neighbors. This means I am my own community. Last night, I mowed my grass, picked up the yard, and generally tidied up the place. This means I am now a community organizer. Maybe I should run for president.

Sorry, one house, one family, not a community. If you mowed your neighbor's yard and tidied up their place then you could be a community organizer.

I dont have neighbors. I feed the deer, does that count?

If it doesn't, you are still better off.

BFinnsUp wrote:

rednekkPH wrote:

Martonian wrote:

rednekkPH wrote:I've been giving this some thought...

There are no other buildings within 3/4 mile from my house. I have no neighbors. This means I am my own community. Last night, I mowed my grass, picked up the yard, and generally tidied up the place. This means I am now a community organizer. Maybe I should run for president.

Sorry, one house, one family, not a community. If you mowed your neighbor's yard and tidied up their place then you could be a community organizer.

I dont have neighbors. I feed the deer, does that count?

If it doesn't, you are still better off.

Damn right. I do not like people, and as such chose to live where I will have no interaction with them.

Now, for my choice of careers, that's another thing entirely. Then again, this job is probably why I hate people in the first place.

Lightning Bolt wrote:

Wino you know wrote:

Lightning Bolt wrote:I'm cracking up on PMSNBC

Fixed it for you.

y'know, I'm a political junkie, and with a 90º evening here, a couple (or more) cold ones ...and Jimmy playing quietly in the background,
I enjoyed taking in John McCain's acceptance speech with y'all tonight!

Oh man! Sounds like I missed a good time last night.

I think McCain did a decent job and appealed to the right people. I definitely think he prefers speaking fondly of other people more than he likes talking about himself.

He's definitely a man who loves his country and seems to have nothing but good intentions. He does put others first, but I think that can sometimes overshadow good judgement and true leadership qualities. He bats his eyelashes a lot when he thinks he's delivered a profound statement.

Unfortunately, I don't have a lot of faith in his decision making skills--whether it is the choice of Palin as VP or any other choice he'll make under the pressure of others.

So, while I enjoyed his speech and think he did a good job, he's just not the candidate for me.

rednekkPH wrote:

BFinnsUp wrote:

rednekkPH wrote:

Martonian wrote:

rednekkPH wrote:I've been giving this some thought...

There are no other buildings within 3/4 mile from my house. I have no neighbors. This means I am my own community. Last night, I mowed my grass, picked up the yard, and generally tidied up the place. This means I am now a community organizer. Maybe I should run for president.

Sorry, one house, one family, not a community. If you mowed your neighbor's yard and tidied up their place then you could be a community organizer.

I dont have neighbors. I feed the deer, does that count?

If it doesn't, you are still better off.

Damn right. I do not like people, and as such chose to live where I will have no interaction with them.

Now, for my choice of careers, that's another thing entirely. Then again, this job is probably why I hate people in the first place.

Oh come on Frankie. You know you luuuuuuuuv us.

buffettbride wrote:

Lightning Bolt wrote:

Wino you know wrote:

Lightning Bolt wrote:I'm cracking up on PMSNBC

Fixed it for you.

y'know, I'm a political junkie, and with a 90º evening here, a couple (or more) cold ones ...and Jimmy playing quietly in the background,
I enjoyed taking in John McCain's acceptance speech with y'all tonight!

Oh man! Sounds like I missed a good time last night.

I think McCain did a decent job and appealed to the right people. I definitely think he prefers speaking fondly of other people more than he likes talking about himself.

He's definitely a man who loves his country and seems to have nothing but good intentions. He does put others first, but I think that can sometimes overshadow good judgement and true leadership qualities. He bats his eyelashes a lot when he thinks he's delivered a profound statement.

Unfortunately, I don't have a lot of faith in his decision making skills--whether it is the choice of Palin as VP or any other choice he'll make under the pressure of others.

So, while I enjoyed his speech and think he did a good job, he's just not the candidate for me.

Very well said....

I enjoyed his speech. He definitely is not comfortable in front of large groups. I think he will give Obama a run for his money. I think they will ultimately wind up falling short. And that is not a knock against McCain. Obama and the Dems are just too well organized this time around.

This sort of reminds me of 1996 when Bob Dole went up against Bill Clinton.

Frank4 wrote: This sort of reminds me of 1996 when Bob Dole went up against Bill Clinton.

Yeah. I agree 100% with this. Only difference is McCain reminds me a lot of Bob Dole, but Obama is no where near Clinton. This is going to be one of the dirtiest campaigns, not necessarily between the candidates, but the surrogates are going to get really ugly. I wouldn't but money on Obama because of the strength of the Republican mud slinging machine. As a Republican I am not proud of this situation. I have stated before that I will be voting third party most likely Keyes.

Skibo wrote:

Frank4 wrote: This sort of reminds me of 1996 when Bob Dole went up against Bill Clinton.

Yeah. I agree 100% with this. Only difference is McCain reminds me a lot of Bob Dole, but Obama is no where near Clinton. This is going to be one of the dirtiest campaigns, not necessarily between the candidates, but the surrogates are going to get really ugly. I wouldn't but money on Obama because of the strength of the Republican mud slinging machine. As a Republican I am not proud of this situation. I have stated before that I will be voting third party most likely Keyes.

Up till recently, I thought the Bob Dole comparison really fit. Now, though, I'm not so sure.

Stuff is starting to stick to Obama in ways I didn't expect, and Sarah Palin throws a wild card in the mix. They can say all they want about her being unqualified, not a "real" (pro-abortion) woman, etc., etc. etc.

All I know is that my lovely, smart, articulate, (and non-political) wife was leaning to Obama until Sarah spoke. NOW, she's firmly in the McCain camp. I think there may be a lot of women who identify with the "pitbull with lipstick" image.

Skibo wrote:

Frank4 wrote: This sort of reminds me of 1996 when Bob Dole went up against Bill Clinton.

Yeah. I agree 100% with this. Only difference is McCain reminds me a lot of Bob Dole, but Obama is no where near Clinton. This is going to be one of the dirtiest campaigns, not necessarily between the candidates, but the surrogates are going to get really ugly. I wouldn't but money on Obama because of the strength of the Republican mud slinging machine. As a Republican I am not proud of this situation. I have stated before that I will be voting third party most likely Keyes.

I found Bob Dole extremely likeable the day after the election, but so awkward before it. I remember seeing him on Letterman, I think it was, and thinking how funny and cool he seemed. Then the Viagara commercials. What a crack up.

Skibo wrote:

Frank4 wrote: This sort of reminds me of 1996 when Bob Dole went up against Bill Clinton.

Yeah. I agree 100% with this. Only difference is McCain reminds me a lot of Bob Dole, but Obama is no where near Clinton. This is going to be one of the dirtiest campaigns, not necessarily between the candidates, but the surrogates are going to get really ugly. I wouldn't but money on Obama because of the strength of the Republican mud slinging machine. As a Republican I am not proud of this situation. I have stated before that I will be voting third party most likely Keyes.

You are right about Obama being no where near Clinton. Beware of Michele Obama, there are stories about her being the one pulling levers behind the scenes. She's a pit bull if there ever was one.

It's shame if it gets really ugly, because it will tarnish McCain's legacy.

buffettbride wrote:

Skibo wrote:

Frank4 wrote: This sort of reminds me of 1996 when Bob Dole went up against Bill Clinton.

Yeah. I agree 100% with this. Only difference is McCain reminds me a lot of Bob Dole, but Obama is no where near Clinton. This is going to be one of the dirtiest campaigns, not necessarily between the candidates, but the surrogates are going to get really ugly. I wouldn't but money on Obama because of the strength of the Republican mud slinging machine. As a Republican I am not proud of this situation. I have stated before that I will be voting third party most likely Keyes.

I found Bob Dole extremely likeable the day after the election, but so awkward before it. I remember seeing him on Letterman, I think it was, and thinking how funny and cool he seemed. Then the Viagara commercials. What a crack up.

He was still dull but that was part of his charm. I liken McCain to Dole because both lost primaries a few times and finally became the nominee because there really wasn't anyone else. Both were closet liberals lacking in personality. Both had served forever in the senate. I do agree that Dole was better liked after he lost. If only he showed some personality sooner, he may have been president.

Frank4 wrote:

Skibo wrote:

Frank4 wrote: This sort of reminds me of 1996 when Bob Dole went up against Bill Clinton.

Yeah. I agree 100% with this. Only difference is McCain reminds me a lot of Bob Dole, but Obama is no where near Clinton. This is going to be one of the dirtiest campaigns, not necessarily between the candidates, but the surrogates are going to get really ugly. I wouldn't but money on Obama because of the strength of the Republican mud slinging machine. As a Republican I am not proud of this situation. I have stated before that I will be voting third party most likely Keyes.

You are right about Obama being no where near Clinton. Beware of Michele Obama, there are stories about her being the one pulling levers behind the scenes. She's a pit bull if there ever was one.

It's shame if it gets really ugly, because it will tarnish McCain's legacy.

I watched something last night--probably on PBS, but I don't remember--about how many of our Presidents actually had the First Lady pulling the strings. It is probably more common than we'd think (although, I think the Bushies keep their women in check).

McCain was certainly endearing and cute last night. Just as much as I don't want a pitbull in trashy lipstick a breath away from the white house, I don't want a cutie-pie old man in the white house. He totally struck my "grampa" cords last night.

buffettbride wrote:

Frank4 wrote:

Skibo wrote:

Frank4 wrote: This sort of reminds me of 1996 when Bob Dole went up against Bill Clinton.

Yeah. I agree 100% with this. Only difference is McCain reminds me a lot of Bob Dole, but Obama is no where near Clinton. This is going to be one of the dirtiest campaigns, not necessarily between the candidates, but the surrogates are going to get really ugly. I wouldn't but money on Obama because of the strength of the Republican mud slinging machine. As a Republican I am not proud of this situation. I have stated before that I will be voting third party most likely Keyes.

You are right about Obama being no where near Clinton. Beware of Michele Obama, there are stories about her being the one pulling levers behind the scenes. She's a pit bull if there ever was one.

It's shame if it gets really ugly, because it will tarnish McCain's legacy.

I watched something last night--probably on PBS, but I don't remember--about how many of our Presidents actually had the First Lady pulling the strings. It is probably more common than we'd think (although, I think the Bushies keep their women in check).

McCain was certainly endearing and cute last night. Just as much as I don't want a pitbull in trashy lipstick a breath away from the white house, I don't want a cutie-pie old man in the white house. He totally struck my "grampa" cords last night.

I look at McCain interacting with Palin's little ones and the first thing that comes to mind is grandpa.

No doubt in my mind a lot of first ladies pull the strings
Eleanor Roovsvelt
Nancy Reagan
Hillary Clinton

I bet you could go back even further....Woodrow Wilson's wife was said to run the presidency after he had his stroke...

Frank4 wrote:

buffettbride wrote:

Frank4 wrote:

Skibo wrote:

Frank4 wrote: This sort of reminds me of 1996 when Bob Dole went up against Bill Clinton.

Yeah. I agree 100% with this. Only difference is McCain reminds me a lot of Bob Dole, but Obama is no where near Clinton. This is going to be one of the dirtiest campaigns, not necessarily between the candidates, but the surrogates are going to get really ugly. I wouldn't but money on Obama because of the strength of the Republican mud slinging machine. As a Republican I am not proud of this situation. I have stated before that I will be voting third party most likely Keyes.

You are right about Obama being no where near Clinton. Beware of Michele Obama, there are stories about her being the one pulling levers behind the scenes. She's a pit bull if there ever was one.

It's shame if it gets really ugly, because it will tarnish McCain's legacy.

I watched something last night--probably on PBS, but I don't remember--about how many of our Presidents actually had the First Lady pulling the strings. It is probably more common than we'd think (although, I think the Bushies keep their women in check).

McCain was certainly endearing and cute last night. Just as much as I don't want a pitbull in trashy lipstick a breath away from the white house, I don't want a cutie-pie old man in the white house. He totally struck my "grampa" cords last night.

I look at McCain interacting with Palin's little ones and the first thing that comes to mind is grandpa.

No doubt in my mind a lot of first ladies pull the strings
Eleanor Roovsvelt
Nancy Reagan
Hillary Clinton

I bet you could go back even further....Woodrow Wilson's wife was said to run the presidency after he had his stroke...

I wish I had paid closer attention to the show because it was interesting. They actually drew a line between those women you mentioned above and Lady Bird and Pat Nixon and such. A different kind of support for their men, but still the backbone of their persona.

Frank4 wrote: No doubt in my mind a lot of first ladies pull the strings
Eleanor Roovsvelt
Nancy Reagan
Hillary Clinton

I bet you could go back even further....Woodrow Wilson's wife was said to run the presidency after he had his stroke...

Behind every good man there is a woman, and that woman was Martha Washington, man, and everyday George would come home, she would have a big fat bowl waiting for him, man, when he come in the door, man, she was a hip, hip, hip lady, man.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

buffettbride wrote:

Skibo wrote:

Frank4 wrote: This sort of reminds me of 1996 when Bob Dole went up against Bill Clinton.

Yeah. I agree 100% with this. Only difference is McCain reminds me a lot of Bob Dole, but Obama is no where near Clinton. This is going to be one of the dirtiest campaigns, not necessarily between the candidates, but the surrogates are going to get really ugly. I wouldn't but money on Obama because of the strength of the Republican mud slinging machine. As a Republican I am not proud of this situation. I have stated before that I will be voting third party most likely Keyes.

I found Bob Dole extremely likeable the day after the election, but so awkward before it. I remember seeing him on Letterman, I think it was, and thinking how funny and cool he seemed. Then the Viagara commercials. What a crack up.

It was nice of him to the the public health ads, it really brought humor to the situation!

buffettbride wrote:

Frank4 wrote:

buffettbride wrote:

Frank4 wrote:

Skibo wrote:

Frank4 wrote: This sort of reminds me of 1996 when Bob Dole went up against Bill Clinton.

Yeah. I agree 100% with this. Only difference is McCain reminds me a lot of Bob Dole, but Obama is no where near Clinton. This is going to be one of the dirtiest campaigns, not necessarily between the candidates, but the surrogates are going to get really ugly. I wouldn't but money on Obama because of the strength of the Republican mud slinging machine. As a Republican I am not proud of this situation. I have stated before that I will be voting third party most likely Keyes.

You are right about Obama being no where near Clinton. Beware of Michele Obama, there are stories about her being the one pulling levers behind the scenes. She's a pit bull if there ever was one.

It's shame if it gets really ugly, because it will tarnish McCain's legacy.

I watched something last night--probably on PBS, but I don't remember--about how many of our Presidents actually had the First Lady pulling the strings. It is probably more common than we'd think (although, I think the Bushies keep their women in check).

McCain was certainly endearing and cute last night. Just as much as I don't want a pitbull in trashy lipstick a breath away from the white house, I don't want a cutie-pie old man in the white house. He totally struck my "grampa" cords last night.

I look at McCain interacting with Palin's little ones and the first thing that comes to mind is grandpa.

No doubt in my mind a lot of first ladies pull the strings
Eleanor Roovsvelt
Nancy Reagan
Hillary Clinton

I bet you could go back even further....Woodrow Wilson's wife was said to run the presidency after he had his stroke...

I wish I had paid closer attention to the show because it was interesting. They actually drew a line between those women you mentioned above and Lady Bird and Pat Nixon and such. A different kind of support for their men, but still the backbone of their persona.

I'll have to check it out, sounds like an interesting show...

Cindy McCain strike me as someone in the Lady Bird or Pat Nixon role. She's interesting and her charitable work is admirable. She needs some coaching on giving speeches though. She was just plain awful last night

Frank4 wrote:

Skibo wrote:

Frank4 wrote: This sort of reminds me of 1996 when Bob Dole went up against Bill Clinton.

Yeah. I agree 100% with this. Only difference is McCain reminds me a lot of Bob Dole, but Obama is no where near Clinton. This is going to be one of the dirtiest campaigns, not necessarily between the candidates, but the surrogates are going to get really ugly. I wouldn't but money on Obama because of the strength of the Republican mud slinging machine. As a Republican I am not proud of this situation. I have stated before that I will be voting third party most likely Keyes.

You are right about Obama being no where near Clinton. Beware of Michele Obama, there are stories about her being the one pulling levers behind the scenes. She's a pit bull if there ever was one.

It's shame if it gets really ugly, because it will tarnish McCain's legacy.

It's already tarnished his legacy in my opinion. I always liked McCain until he started the gutter tactics and questioning Obama's patriotism. He always seemed to be above that, and always said he'd run a civil campaign. Once he realized he couldn't win that way, he started going negative. I mean, it's not really a surprise, it always turns out that way. But McCain seemed to be different, but of course, is not. Just a typical politician, like Obama is.

I'd agree with you....maybe his wife told him to go negative?

The Repbulicans need to find someone else besides Rich from "Big and Rich" fame to sing songs at their conventions. "Raising McCain" could be one of the worst songs ever written.