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well, you know, Joe Walsh can be a ba$tard when you get between him and the bar..ejr wrote:OK, I am a big sports fan, but I will admit that I read the title and wondered why someone would be choked by a fan of the Eagles (The rock band)
popcornjack wrote:cause they boo'd santa clause and cheered when Michael Irvin almost suffered a career ending injury???Tiki Bar wrote:
Apparently the guy was an idiot, but why generalize his actions to stereotype all Eagle's fans??
(And since I've gotten in trouble recently for my sarcastic sense of humor not being gotten by every one, I will openly state that I don't think EVERY Eagle fan is an a$$, and I don't blame ALL of them for the actions of a FEW. However, if you can not understand it is just a game, i.e. win or lose, you still have to go to work, pay your mortgage, meet your expenses, and instead think your life revolves around what 53 men who you never met do for 3 hours on a Sunday, then yeah, issues abound.
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pbans wrote:I thought maybe someone needed to light up and listen to Desperado one more time.
Life's been good to me so farpopcornjack wrote:if you can not understand it is just a game, i.e. win or lose, you still have to go to work, pay your mortgage, meet your expenses, and instead think your life revolves around what 53 men who you never met do for 3 hours on a Sunday, then yeah, issues abound.
Yes, but does your maserati do 185?LIPH wrote:Life's been good to me so farpopcornjack wrote:if you can not understand it is just a game, i.e. win or lose, you still have to go to work, pay your mortgage, meet your expenses, and instead think your life revolves around what 53 men who you never met do for 3 hours on a Sunday, then yeah, issues abound.
don't make me get unexcited about the concerts this weekend!!tryin' to reason wrote:GO PATS !!!
Duck !!!!
popcornjack wrote:so do you have a limo, ride in the back? Lock the doors in case you're attacked?
Everyone has that one franchise that gets under there skin and infests like a colony of ants. And you always feel like this:The Boy Nobody Knew wrote:Try yelling that in Ohio and you'll get worse than choked. Maybe you should try supporting a team that is not an illegitimate stolen franchise, one that doesn't make you a hypocrite. Baltimore fans truly sicken me. They had a franchise stolen from them so they act like that gives them some moral authority to do it to someone else. They are the definition of hypocrisy and that franchise should be moved away, the stadium torn down and the earth salted on that spot so nothing will ever grow there again.
The Boy Nobody Knew wrote:Try yelling that in Ohio and you'll get worse than choked. Maybe you should try supporting a team that is not an illegitimate stolen franchise, one that doesn't make you a hypocrite. Baltimore fans truly sicken me. They had a franchise stolen from them so they act like that gives them some moral authority to do it to someone else. They are the definition of hypocrisy and that franchise should be moved away, the stadium torn down and the earth salted on that spot so nothing will ever grow there again.
What a bunch of revisionist art modell loving garbage. There were no negotiations done in the light of day. The first time we heard about crackmore was when modell announced he had already signed contracts with them and had agreed to the move. And if he had been public about his problems, he could obviously gotten a new stadium as the stadium levy passed within days of his announcement. The only reason he announced it in the middle of the season was because he felt he had to before Cleveland had a chance to vote on a new stadium.surfpirate wrote:The Boy Nobody Knew wrote:Try yelling that in Ohio and you'll get worse than choked. Maybe you should try supporting a team that is not an illegitimate stolen franchise, one that doesn't make you a hypocrite. Baltimore fans truly sicken me. They had a franchise stolen from them so they act like that gives them some moral authority to do it to someone else. They are the definition of hypocrisy and that franchise should be moved away, the stadium torn down and the earth salted on that spot so nothing will ever grow there again.
What? Baltimore was the last city that wanted someone else's franchise. They felt the pain and spent a decade working with the NFL to get an expansion franchise to replace their beloved Colts. The NFL shafted Baltimore by expanding to Jacksonsville and Carolina instead.
The NFL is still bending over backwards to get L.A. another team, even though L.A. has made it clear they don't really want/or need one. Witness the Raiders moving there and back.
The NFL has bent over backwards to help Houston regain a franchise.
The NFL bent over backwards to help Cleveland get a team back (once Cleveland decided to build the stadium that would have kept the original Browns franchise there in the first place). The NFL allowed Cleveland to keep the rights to the Browns name, colors and history.
It's still a crock whenever anyone in the media or Indianapolis tries to list the history of the franchise by quoting Baltimore Colts achievements. The same that that happened for Cleveland should have happened to Baltimore, i.e. the name, colors and history should always remain with Baltimore.
The city of Baltimore did not want the Browns franchise, but after 10+ years of being used by the NFL and every owner who wanted a better stadium deal and used Baltimore as a negotiating point, and after getting shafted and watching the NFL codder other cities (Jacksonville, Tennesee, Houston, Arizona, L.A., Carolina) they accepted the inevitable. When Cleveland and the Browns franchise could not work out a stadium deal, they brought them to Baltimore. They were not "stolen" in the middle of the night like the Colts move to Indianapolis ...... over 2 years of failed negotiations ... VERY PUBLIC negotiations took place. When the city of Cleveland and the Browns reached an impasse, the franchise moved to Baltimore.
The Indianapolis Colts move was all done in back rooms and out of the media spotlight.
Johnny Unitas was once asked by Indianapolis to participate in a ceremony that would honor him and other Colt greats (Baltimore Colts greats mind you) ..... he said effectively "Hell no ... I played for Baltimore". With Johnny U's blessing, the fans in Baltimore have accepted the Ravens (Johnny U stood on the sidelines of every game until his death) ...... but trust me, the fans in Baltimore would much prefer to have what Cleveland was allowed .... the historic name associated with the city.
I'm sure you know more about the negotiations and timing of what took place between Modell and the city of Cleveland ... it was probably very similiar to what took place between Irsay and the city of Baltimore. I'm interested in your comments/feedback on the other points I've tried to make.The Boy Nobody Knew wrote:What a bunch of revisionist art modell loving garbage. There were no negotiations done in the light of day. The first time we heard about crackmore was when modell announced he had already signed contracts with them and had agreed to the move. And if he had been public about his problems, he could obviously gotten a new stadium as the stadium levy passed within days of his announcement. The only reason he announced it in the middle of the season was because he felt he had to before Cleveland had a chance to vote on a new stadium.surfpirate wrote:The Boy Nobody Knew wrote:Try yelling that in Ohio and you'll get worse than choked. Maybe you should try supporting a team that is not an illegitimate stolen franchise, one that doesn't make you a hypocrite. Baltimore fans truly sicken me. They had a franchise stolen from them so they act like that gives them some moral authority to do it to someone else. They are the definition of hypocrisy and that franchise should be moved away, the stadium torn down and the earth salted on that spot so nothing will ever grow there again.
What? Baltimore was the last city that wanted someone else's franchise. They felt the pain and spent a decade working with the NFL to get an expansion franchise to replace their beloved Colts. The NFL shafted Baltimore by expanding to Jacksonsville and Carolina instead.
The NFL is still bending over backwards to get L.A. another team, even though L.A. has made it clear they don't really want/or need one. Witness the Raiders moving there and back.
The NFL has bent over backwards to help Houston regain a franchise.
The NFL bent over backwards to help Cleveland get a team back (once Cleveland decided to build the stadium that would have kept the original Browns franchise there in the first place). The NFL allowed Cleveland to keep the rights to the Browns name, colors and history.
It's still a crock whenever anyone in the media or Indianapolis tries to list the history of the franchise by quoting Baltimore Colts achievements. The same that that happened for Cleveland should have happened to Baltimore, i.e. the name, colors and history should always remain with Baltimore.
The city of Baltimore did not want the Browns franchise, but after 10+ years of being used by the NFL and every owner who wanted a better stadium deal and used Baltimore as a negotiating point, and after getting shafted and watching the NFL codder other cities (Jacksonville, Tennesee, Houston, Arizona, L.A., Carolina) they accepted the inevitable. When Cleveland and the Browns franchise could not work out a stadium deal, they brought them to Baltimore. They were not "stolen" in the middle of the night like the Colts move to Indianapolis ...... over 2 years of failed negotiations ... VERY PUBLIC negotiations took place. When the city of Cleveland and the Browns reached an impasse, the franchise moved to Baltimore.
The Indianapolis Colts move was all done in back rooms and out of the media spotlight.
Johnny Unitas was once asked by Indianapolis to participate in a ceremony that would honor him and other Colt greats (Baltimore Colts greats mind you) ..... he said effectively "Hell no ... I played for Baltimore". With Johnny U's blessing, the fans in Baltimore have accepted the Ravens (Johnny U stood on the sidelines of every game until his death) ...... but trust me, the fans in Baltimore would much prefer to have what Cleveland was allowed .... the historic name associated with the city.
If baltimore did not want someone elses franchise then they should not have accepted this travesty in their name. The fact that they did makes them hypocrites. They stopped supporting the Colts in the years leading up to the move. Browns fans have never stopped supporting anything. It was the outrage and uproar of Browns fans that allowed us to keep our name, and allowed us to keep our franchise. Colts fans in baltimore just stopped showing up.
I'm sorry I get so riled up about this, but I'm a fourth generation Browns fan. We love our team like no one in baltimore who acts like he cares about their little franchise they bastardized and named after a poem, and I will never accept those pansies as a legitimate member of the NFL families. As long as crackmore fans fail to realize how offensive and insulting their very existence is, I personally hope they continue to get choked in public.
What took place is art modell publicly stated in 1995 that he would like a new stadium but was placing a moritorium on stadium talks until the end of the season because he didn't want to have it distracting from the games. In reality, it was because baltimore had hired a little weasel named John Moag who was meeting with art modell sitting in airplanes in dark corners of airports. In the midst of the season, when it became clear that Cleveland would be successfully voting on the funding to build modell his new stadium, it became necessary for him to announce his betrayal early.surfpirate wrote:I'm sure you know more about the negotiations and timing of what took place between Modell and the city of Cleveland ... it was probably very similiar to what took place between Irsay and the city of Baltimore. I'm interested in your comments/feedback on the other points I've tried to make.The Boy Nobody Knew wrote:What a bunch of revisionist art modell loving garbage. There were no negotiations done in the light of day. The first time we heard about crackmore was when modell announced he had already signed contracts with them and had agreed to the move. And if he had been public about his problems, he could obviously gotten a new stadium as the stadium levy passed within days of his announcement. The only reason he announced it in the middle of the season was because he felt he had to before Cleveland had a chance to vote on a new stadium.surfpirate wrote:The Boy Nobody Knew wrote:Try yelling that in Ohio and you'll get worse than choked. Maybe you should try supporting a team that is not an illegitimate stolen franchise, one that doesn't make you a hypocrite. Baltimore fans truly sicken me. They had a franchise stolen from them so they act like that gives them some moral authority to do it to someone else. They are the definition of hypocrisy and that franchise should be moved away, the stadium torn down and the earth salted on that spot so nothing will ever grow there again.
What? Baltimore was the last city that wanted someone else's franchise. They felt the pain and spent a decade working with the NFL to get an expansion franchise to replace their beloved Colts. The NFL shafted Baltimore by expanding to Jacksonsville and Carolina instead.
The NFL is still bending over backwards to get L.A. another team, even though L.A. has made it clear they don't really want/or need one. Witness the Raiders moving there and back.
The NFL has bent over backwards to help Houston regain a franchise.
The NFL bent over backwards to help Cleveland get a team back (once Cleveland decided to build the stadium that would have kept the original Browns franchise there in the first place). The NFL allowed Cleveland to keep the rights to the Browns name, colors and history.
It's still a crock whenever anyone in the media or Indianapolis tries to list the history of the franchise by quoting Baltimore Colts achievements. The same that that happened for Cleveland should have happened to Baltimore, i.e. the name, colors and history should always remain with Baltimore.
The city of Baltimore did not want the Browns franchise, but after 10+ years of being used by the NFL and every owner who wanted a better stadium deal and used Baltimore as a negotiating point, and after getting shafted and watching the NFL codder other cities (Jacksonville, Tennesee, Houston, Arizona, L.A., Carolina) they accepted the inevitable. When Cleveland and the Browns franchise could not work out a stadium deal, they brought them to Baltimore. They were not "stolen" in the middle of the night like the Colts move to Indianapolis ...... over 2 years of failed negotiations ... VERY PUBLIC negotiations took place. When the city of Cleveland and the Browns reached an impasse, the franchise moved to Baltimore.
The Indianapolis Colts move was all done in back rooms and out of the media spotlight.
Johnny Unitas was once asked by Indianapolis to participate in a ceremony that would honor him and other Colt greats (Baltimore Colts greats mind you) ..... he said effectively "Hell no ... I played for Baltimore". With Johnny U's blessing, the fans in Baltimore have accepted the Ravens (Johnny U stood on the sidelines of every game until his death) ...... but trust me, the fans in Baltimore would much prefer to have what Cleveland was allowed .... the historic name associated with the city.
If baltimore did not want someone elses franchise then they should not have accepted this travesty in their name. The fact that they did makes them hypocrites. They stopped supporting the Colts in the years leading up to the move. Browns fans have never stopped supporting anything. It was the outrage and uproar of Browns fans that allowed us to keep our name, and allowed us to keep our franchise. Colts fans in baltimore just stopped showing up.
I'm sorry I get so riled up about this, but I'm a fourth generation Browns fan. We love our team like no one in baltimore who acts like he cares about their little franchise they bastardized and named after a poem, and I will never accept those pansies as a legitimate member of the NFL families. As long as crackmore fans fail to realize how offensive and insulting their very existence is, I personally hope they continue to get choked in public.
By the way ... I am a D.C. area Redskins fan. My comments on the Baltimore Colts come from secondary leanings with my friends in Baltimore.
